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Are you able to get patches for free now?
With vaping I no longer need them and I have a WHOLE bunch of them I would be happy to send you if you are having to buy them
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Might want to check shelf life on those. I had some from about 5 years and used some of them about 6 months ago before starting vaping. I think they lose their potency after a while as they didn't seem to work nearly as well as when I used them 5 years ago. Or maybe I didn't want to quit as hard as I did back 5 years ago?

Either way don't think it would hurt to use patch and vape. A lot of people I know used the patch and gum at the same time. Worst I heard was that some of them got nauseous if they overdid it with the gum. I know it sounds gross but I'd actually take mine out after getting what I needed and then reuse the gum later ;)

Your body general knows when it has its fix of nic. I think that most people don't read the directions on that gum though. It's not meant to be chewed like bubble gum. Suppose to take a few chomps and then sit somewhere in your lip like snus or chewing tobacco. I think it's the people that treat it like bubble gum are the ones that get a mild nic overdose.
 

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sawlight, good goin'! You sound very determined, I wish you a whole lot of luck.

My experience with 1-800-quit was great, before I was vaping. I quit cigarettes for 5 full years with their help, I got all the patches and stuff for free from them at that time. Also they hooked me up with somebody who called me once a week, it was nice feeling that somebody was there for me. The counselor I had was very helpful, and very compassionate.

My general feeling about them is that they just want you to QUIT cigarettes, they don't seem overly invested in how you do it.

I don't know if the ecig industry has "reached out" to them --- the reason they offer NRT is because that is what they HAVE to offer. AFAIC, companies could be contracting with them to get them samples of ecigs, even if just disposables, etc. (instead of complaining about them. )

I really don't CARE how people get off cigarettes to be honest. To me, I just want people to get off cigarettes, period, if that is what THEY want. I say do what you have to do for yourself, and get on with it, if somebody can help you then take the help you need if you feel it is at all valuable.
 

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Good to hear that more are recommending ecigs! My dr recommended them months and months ago

I first heard about ecigs from my physical therapist! He was the first person I ever knew who vaped.

Then I talked to my primary care doctor and he said "go for it."

I have no idea why people are afraid their docs won't like ecigs......I just haven't found that to be true at all.

I recently changed to a new PCP and she thinks it's good that I'm vaping, too. She is a cancer survivor, so she is pretty okay with a lot of stuff.
 
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Thanks Racehorse! It's really good to hear you had a good experience with them! As you said, I didn't get the impression they really cared how I did it, just were excited I was already being pro-active about it and realized one thing wasn't going to work for me!
I'm still not sure about the coach thing, but hey, I'll try anything right now!
 

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I'm still not sure about the coach thing, but hey, I'll try anything right now!

That part was a little scary for me too. But I decided it was good to have to check in with somebody and let them know how I was doing. I do believe that when I make a commitment to myself, there should be a modicum of "accountability" so in the end, I sort of didn't mind. :) I did fail a few times at the beginning before I quit for 5 years.

I went back because my beloved dog had a terrible accident while we were hiking. What I learned is that ONE cigarette put me back on the road to smoking. So I know I am one of those people who, now that I have quit for 1.5 years thru vaping, that I am not a person who can have "ONE" cig. For me, one leads to many many more.

I don't know anything about WTA, but have you tried that at all??\
What about SNUS?

I am always curious what works for people who have a real tough time getting off the stinkies for good....that is not the case for me, but I have friends who are *struggling* even though they are vaping.

IN the meantime stay the heck out of ICU.......did that pretty much freak you out ? It sounds like you are really taking the bull by the horns, I think you will do good. Just have faith in yourself!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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That part was a little scary for me too. But I decided it was good to have to check in with somebody and let them know how I was doing. I do believe that when I make a commitment to myself, there should be a modicum of "accountability" so in the end, I sort of didn't mind. :) I did fail a few times at the beginning before I quit for 5 years.

I went back because my beloved dog had a terrible accident while we were hiking. What I learned is that ONE cigarette put me back on the road to smoking. So I know I am one of those people who, now that I have quit for 1.5 years thru vaping, that I am not a person who can have "ONE" cig. For me, one leads to many many more.

I don't know anything about WTA, but have you tried that at all??

I've got the same problem! "Well, I've already had one today, another wont hurt, I'll do better tomorrow!" Then you just go buy a pack the next day, just stupid!
I've no idea what WTA even is?
 

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Then I tried some Mad Murdock 710 and it was all over! BUT it's only sold in 9mg, but my smoking didn't really increase, other than my bad days, so I've just stuck with it.
Not sure that clears things up or not!

You can spike your 9mg 710 juice with some extra nic you know. ;)

Listen sawlight, I don't know if it will help, but there are a lot of components to this: have you ever read Alan Carr's very famous book, The Easy Way to Quit Smoking?

It has helped a lot of people, it is a classic, and he really helps your mind set. It's not the usual scare tactics, either. It helped me in other areas asa well. Read the reviews, I highly recommend! It is unusual for ANY book to get this many positives.....just trust me, it's a good book.....helped me with my dieting too!

The Easy Way to Stop Smoking: Join the Millions Who Have Become Non-Smokers Using Allen Carr's Easyway Method: Allen Carr: 9781402718618: Amazon.com: Books


Read the 2nd review, because that is exactly how it happened for me. The guy is a genius. No scare tactics at all in the boook. A LOT of learning that I would term "self understanding" though. I think he helped me understand why I do stuff.

The newest version (reprint) in paperback, similar amounts of positive reviews. I've told a LOT of people about this book, because it has worked miracles for epople for over 20 years.
http://www.amazon.com/Allen-Carrs-E...TF8&qid=1387523550&sr=1-1&keywords=allen+carr

Can't hurt. :)

WTAs is whole tobacco alkaloids. Seems to give a boost to some folks who need it, a few friends here use it:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-alkaloid-wta-now-available-aroma-ejuice.html
 
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While this is great over all, that they are "mainstreaming" vaping, it also raises some concerns.

NRT is regulated by the FDA. E-cigs and juices are not. ALL companies say that e-cigs are NOT a smoking cessation device. For some of us they are, for some they are an alternative, and for still others, an adjunct to smoking. Personally, I think all of those are fine. If it helps you cut down or quit tobacco, it's GOT to be healthier. And if it gets you off nicotine completely, better still.

But they are not regulated for smoking cessation. Grouping them into that category is asking for trouble. Regulations and restrictions and taxes, oh my!

I'm also uncomfortable with lumping them into other "delivery systems". Again. NRTs are classes as DRUGS. They may be prescribed by a doctor. E-cigs are NOT DRUGS. Remember that whole "ZOMG e-cigs are a drug delivery system oh noes" lawsuit? Yeah, well, they didn't win that time. THAT time.

Some doctors do prescribe multiple NRTs for heavy smokers just quitting. As the person you spoke to said, to get over the proverbial hump. But again. Lumping e-cigs into the category of drugs, drug delivery systems, or NRT isn't something a lot of us are likely to benefit from.

The FDA was specifically told by the courts, twice no less, that if they want to regulate e-cigs they're going to have to do it as a tobacco product, and that's what they are now in the process of. Consumers and quit programs can call them anything they want, it's only the vendors and/or manufacturers that will take a hit if they try to claim they're an NRT.
 

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You can spike your 9mg 710 juice with some extra nic you know. ;)

Listen sawlight, I don't know if it will help, but there are a lot of components to this: have you ever read Alan Carr's very famous book, The Easy Way to Quit Smoking?

It has helped a lot of people, it is a classic, and he really helps your mind set. It's not the usual scare tactics, either. It helped me in other areas asa well. Read the reviews, I highly recommend! It is unusual for ANY book to get this many positives.....just trust me, it's a good book.....helped me with my dieting too!

The Easy Way to Stop Smoking: Join the Millions Who Have Become Non-Smokers Using Allen Carr's Easyway Method: Allen Carr: 9781402718618: Amazon.com: Books


Read the 2nd review, because that is exactly how it happened for me. The guy is a genius. No scare tactics at all in the boook. A LOT of learning that I would term "self understanding" though. I think he helped me understand why I do stuff.

The newest version (reprint) in paperback, similar amounts of positive reviews. I've told a LOT of people about this book, because it has worked miracles for epople for over 20 years.
Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking: The Easyway To Stop Smoking: Allen Carr: 9780615482156: Amazon.com: Books

Can't hurt. :)

WTAs is whole tobacco alkaloids. Seems to give a boost to some folks who need it, a few friends here use it:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-alkaloid-wta-now-available-aroma-ejuice.html

Both good suggestions Racehorse. I used the Alan Carr method the only time I managed to quit for longer than a couple of days. It definitely made it easier, it just didn't stick due to extenuating circumstances and I was back to the smokes 7 months later. At least I was able to get away from them long enough to have and recover from major surgery, and a few years later I found vaping.

As you also deal with depression, I'm betting it's the MAOIs your body tends to miss dear Sawlight. Definitely give the WTAs a looksee, and if all else fails Swedish Snus have a decade of positive safety studies behind them and might be worth investigating.

I'm definitely glad that people calling the quit number are getting such positive feedback when it comes to e-cigarettes.
 

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You can spike your 9mg 710 juice with some extra nic you know. ;)

Listen sawlight, I don't know if it will help, but there are a lot of components to this: have you ever read Alan Carr's very famous book, The Easy Way to Quit Smoking?

It has helped a lot of people, it is a classic, and he really helps your mind set. It's not the usual scare tactics, either. It helped me in other areas asa well. Read the reviews, I highly recommend! It is unusual for ANY book to get this many positives.....just trust me, it's a good book.....helped me with my dieting too!

The Easy Way to Stop Smoking: Join the Millions Who Have Become Non-Smokers Using Allen Carr's Easyway Method: Allen Carr: 9781402718618: Amazon.com: Books


Read the 2nd review, because that is exactly how it happened for me. The guy is a genius. No scare tactics at all in the boook. A LOT of learning that I would term "self understanding" though. I think he helped me understand why I do stuff.

The newest version (reprint) in paperback, similar amounts of positive reviews. I've told a LOT of people about this book, because it has worked miracles for epople for over 20 years.
Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking: The Easyway To Stop Smoking: Allen Carr: 9780615482156: Amazon.com: Books

Can't hurt. :)

WTAs is whole tobacco alkaloids. Seems to give a boost to some folks who need it, a few friends here use it:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-alkaloid-wta-now-available-aroma-ejuice.html

I've also read this book and agree with Racehorses opinion of it. It definitely helps to give you a different perspective on smoking. I have the digital version thru amazon and would be willing to lend it to anyone with an amazon account and wants to read it.
 

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I will look into the book, thanks for all the tips, Racehorse!
As for spiking up the juice, I've learned with all of MM's juice, there is a reason he makes them the way he does! As soon as you try to alter it in anyway, you lose a lot of the subtle nuances that make it what it is! It's hard to explain, but I can't even use his juices in a cartomizer, much less a carto tank, because it mutes the flavors too much.
It's truly one of the things that falls under "don't mess with a good thing!"
I may try some of the WTA's, I'll have to look into it some more.
 

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Just got off the phone with my coach, I wanted a cig more during that conversation than I have the last two days! I got the e-cig lecture this time, "We really don't endorse e-cigs as they aren't proven as a cessation device and you are still putting something in your lungs." Yeah, well I managed to quit for over a year using one! "Why did you start again?" I broke my back and don't deal well with pain! "OH!"
Then we talked about habits, and using candy etc. as needed and so on. I finally just started saying "OK" just to get through it! Then I had ten min of recordings explaining the usage of the patch and gum, and the side effects of the patch and gum, and this, and that, and the other thing! SHEESH!!!
But I've got 8 weeks of patches on the way, so it might have been worth it?
 

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I've got the same problem! "Well, I've already had one today, another wont hurt, I'll do better tomorrow!" Then you just go buy a pack the next day, just stupid!
I've no idea what WTA even is?

The Allen Carr recommendation is a great idea. I read his book and instantly quit smoking back in 2008. I was shocked that it was in fact so easy. I went 34 days with hardly any issues. As Carr says, the nicotine is not the hard part, it is the brainwashing that makes it difficult to quit smoking. That is to say, your subconscious mind has learned that relieving withdrawal symptoms at key moments ‘seems’ pleasurable. All our attempts to cut down or quit and then relapse have taught our subconscious minds that we 'really' want that cigarette. So, when the thought of a cigarette hits us, we cannot get it out of our minds, and then we go crazy until we get it. It is this phenomenon that messed me up after 34 days.

Allen Carr does not recommend using any nicotine, and certainly not an ecig. While I think he's bang on right most of the time, I am using the ecig anyways. So, then, with your ecig in your pocket, stop beating yourself up about smoking cigarettes!!! The more you struggle, the more ingrained the smoking thoughts will become. Beating yourself up for smoking will guarantee that you keep smoking cigarettes. Just consider, if you had no vape gear, do you really think you wouldn't be smoking all or more than you are right now? I know my answer. So, you must stop fighting the urge, stop punishing yourself, stop resisting. Tell yourself you can smoke if you want to . . . just vape first, then smoke the cigarette. And be conscious of how much better the vapor is than the cigarette smoke; focus your mind on which one is more enjoyable. Of course, the answer is obvious, but you must convince your subconscious mind to go along.

Next, identify your favorite smoking times. When those times happen, vape until you start to feel better, like a few minutes (that way the vapor is supplying the nicotine), then have an analog if you still feel you must. If you think, screw it, I don't need analog, I'll just keep on vaping, then that's great. But if you still need the analog, then go ahead, and don't punish yourself for it. Move on. If you keep doing this, you will find that it gets easier and easier to skip the analog. It will be hit & miss, urges will be strong and some small, but generally the vapor will start winning out and you will smoke less & less.

This is the approach I am taking, and I am starting to see cracks in the ice. Usually what happens is I have a bad urge to smoke, then I finally give in (as always), I start to feel that maybe vaping is going to help me, then I vape again and re-discover how much better I like vaping than smoking, and then I actually end up skipping even more analogs and thus gaining more ground toward quitting smoking.

Whatever you do, stay positive about yourself, stay positive about vaping, don't listen to anyone who’s negative about vaping (including Allen Carr), and thank God that you have vaping gear available because the real truth is, you and I probably would never quit smoking otherwise.
 

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The Allen Carr book was responsible for my easiest quit many, many years ago - even more than patches and gum. That said, after 4 months I was a total mess. I don't think it was the nicotine I was missing as much as the hand-to-mouth habit. Vaping seems to have solved that issue for me, and I can't forsee going back to analogs ever. It's only been 2 weeks, but I haven't had the slightest urge - I'm obviously one of the lucky ones. And after almost 40-years of smoking I'm amazed it's gone this way. However, I never intended to quit this time around (I just bought a convenience store ecig on a whim) - and if I had had an urge for an analog I would have had one, knowing that at least I was cutting down. Don't beat yourself up about it. But do play around with nic levels and flavors - and even devices - to see if any of that makes it easier for you.

Edited to add - it looks as if you're only using 9MG of nic? If so, try a much, much higher level. I started at 18MG as a PAD ultralight smoker then cut down to 12. If I'd started on 12 I would never have stuck to vaping.
 
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The Allen Carr book was responsible for my easiest quit many, many years ago - even more than patches and gum. That said, after 4 months I was a total mess. I don't think it was the nicotine I was missing as much as the hand-to-mouth habit. Vaping seems to have solved that issue for me, and I can't forsee going back to analogs ever. It's only been 2 weeks, but I haven't had the slightest urge - I'm obviously one of the lucky ones. And after almost 40-years of smoking I'm amazed it's gone this way. However, I never intended to quit this time around (I just bought a convenience store ecig on a whim) - and if I had had an urge for an analog I would have had one, knowing that at least I was cutting down. Don't beat yourself up about it. But do play around with nic levels and flavors - and even devices - to see if any of that makes it easier for you.

Edited to add - it looks as if you're only using 9MG of nic? If so, try a much, much higher level. I started at 18MG as a PAD ultralight smoker then cut down to 12. If I'd started on 12 I would never have stuck to vaping.

I'll bet you the reason you've had zero urge to back to analog is precisely because you picked up the ecig on a whim. There was no negative energy, no anxiety about quitting anything, no 'do or die' thinking, it's just that you liked the ecig so much better, and so you switched over. I think that is how things should work.

And, yes, please do get some higher concentration juice. I wouldn't dream of going lower than 18mg in the beginning. You can always reduce the nicotine later.
 

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Just got off the phone with my coach, I wanted a cig more during that conversation than I have the last two days! I got the e-cig lecture this time, "We really don't endorse e-cigs as they aren't proven as a cessation device and you are still putting something in your lungs." Yeah, well I managed to quit for over a year using one! "Why did you start again?" I broke my back and don't deal well with pain! "OH!"
Then we talked about habits, and using candy etc. as needed and so on. I finally just started saying "OK" just to get through it! Then I had ten min of recordings explaining the usage of the patch and gum, and the side effects of the patch and gum, and this, and that, and the other thing! SHEESH!!!
But I've got 8 weeks of patches on the way, so it might have been worth it?

Join the club my friend. I did a round of "counseling" with one quit attempt, always made me want to smoke. "If you want me to quit, stop talking about the darn things!!!" :D
 

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You can buy WTA unflavored liquids to add to your existing MM juices, although it will dilute the flavor the more you add. Just remember... a little goes a long way. You really shouldn't need more than a few drops per ml.

It may be just what you need for the really tough times...


Unflavored WTA Whole Tobacco Alkaloid 20 MG

30ml WholeCig WTA e-Liquid

The stuff is not cheap, but there are many who swear by it.
 

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You can buy WTA unflavored liquids to add to your existing MM juices, although it will dilute the flavor the more you add. Just remember... a little goes a long way. You really shouldn't need more than a few drops per ml.

It may be just what you need for the really tough times...


Unflavored WTA Whole Tobacco Alkaloid 20 MG

30ml WholeCig WTA e-Liquid

The stuff is not cheap, but there are many who swear by it.

Sweet niblets! $30 and shipping for 15ml of nicotine and $12 plus shipping for 10ml of juice!! Wish I'd have looked a little closer earlier! A lot steep for my blood to experiment with a juice that's perfect as is!

OK, I'll do this again.
In regards to my nic level of choice, I am NOT just starting at this, I've been at this a while now! When I first started out I was at 36-48mg and managed to quit for over a year!
I broke my back, went back to smoking because of the pain and took two years off the forum. After that time I decided I wanted to quit smoking again. I've used 24-36mg juice to no avail, I needed the instant gratification I can't get from a vape. I was given some 710 from a friend and just loved the flavor! I woke up for weeks with that smell in my nose after I ran out! I ordered more and my smoking hasn't increased so I've stuck with it, nic strength didn't seem to matter, so I've just stuck with it.
At this point, and with me, I don't see upping the nic as a solution to my problem, so I'm looking at other means as I feel I've exhausted everything I can do with vaping.
 

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Sweet niblets! $30 and shipping for 15ml of nicotine and $12 plus shipping for 10ml of juice!! Wish I'd have looked a little closer earlier! A lot steep for my blood to experiment with a juice that's perfect as is!

OK, I'll do this again.
In regards to my nic level of choice, I am NOT just starting at this, I've been at this a while now! When I first started out I was at 36-48mg and managed to quit for over a year!
I broke my back, went back to smoking because of the pain and took two years off the forum. After that time I decided I wanted to quit smoking again. I've used 24-36mg juice to no avail, I needed the instant gratification I can't get from a vape. I was given some 710 from a friend and just loved the flavor! I woke up for weeks with that smell in my nose after I ran out! I ordered more and my smoking hasn't increased so I've stuck with it, nic strength didn't seem to matter, so I've just stuck with it.
At this point, and with me, I don't see upping the nic as a solution to my problem, so I'm looking at other means as I feel I've exhausted everything I can do with vaping.

It is expensive saw, but considering it's a long drawn out process to extract it and from what I gather by a comment made by Roly, can be somewhat dangerous, I certainly don't begrudge those willing to accomplish it the extra cash. Like I said, if all else fails look to the Swedish Snus. Still more expensive than the American brands since it's imported, but they take extra steps to keep the product as chemically clean as possible.
 
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