Congrats Annie, you are a strong and intelligent woman and you have my respect. I've been there too and have some idea what you went through. Good on ya girl!
Vaping is cheating (apparently)
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Congrats Annie, you are a strong and intelligent woman and you have my respect. I've been there too and have some idea what you went through. Good on ya girl!
Yeah, weird how my life turned out. Weirdo science nerd kid--college grad, Navy vet, living in the 'burbs--to having the police putting your husband in cuffs and losing all your stuff and your house.
I don't put alot of importance on 'stuff' anymore, since 'stuff' can disappear at a moments notice. Don't know if i like the Zen genisis, but i've adopted a very 'Zen' outlook on life.
I don't put alot of importance on 'stuff' anymore, since 'stuff' can disappear at a moments notice. Don't know if i like the Zen genisis, but i've adopted a very 'Zen' outlook on life.
I never got the impression that the Op's lady friend was being snide. I got the impression she
was more taken aback and confused and was thinking "you can do that?" and blurted out the
first thing that came to here mind.
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Mike
I was at two per day for several months and then, one day, I realized that I hadn't smoked at all for a while - it sneaked up on me. Over time,I had tried everything that I could find short of Chantix, all failed to help me, even a little.
@skoony - I guess that's why they say impressions/opinions are like, well...you know what. Everyone has one, and they're all likely very different. 
My impression was: that since she didn't want to try it herself because it would be cheating = the OP using one was cheating. Would therefore be a snide comment IMO.
My impression was: that since she didn't want to try it herself because it would be cheating = the OP using one was cheating. Would therefore be a snide comment IMO.
It sounds more like an utterance from someone who was conflicted to me.@skoony - I guess that's why they say impressions/opinions are like, well...you know what. Everyone has one, and they're all likely very different.
My impression was: that since she didn't want to try it herself because it would be cheating = the OP using one was cheating. Would therefore be a snide comment IMO.
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Mike
I have a Zen genny, and I do not recommend it to anyone. It was a waste of money and I cannot get a build on that thing that vapes for beans no matter what I do. Avoid it like the plague.
As for stuff, all that really matters is your health and the people you love. All the rest is just stuff, and not important.
I believe one of the reasons it is sooo hard to 'quit' smoking isn't only about the nicotine, its the behavior that goes with the whole act of smoking that your friend is also trying to overcome. One of the beauty of switching to ecigs is that you are not giving up anything but a death sentence. Smoking totally dominated my whole life for over 30 years and I never really even liked the taste and the nastiness of it. But more than that, it was the behavior of hand to mouth, the blowing of the 'smoke', the social gatherings, the emotional 'comfort' of having a 'friend'.
Cheating?? Yeah, the BT out of profits, the government out of taxes(for the moment), the hospitals and drs who would otherwise be treating us for all the ailments that 'smoking' can cause. I say as long as your are not 'cheating' yourself out of a long life plus having fun while doing so, well, I call that winning.
ps. Just saw your 2nd post. YAY! Hope she does well.
Cheating?? Yeah, the BT out of profits, the government out of taxes(for the moment), the hospitals and drs who would otherwise be treating us for all the ailments that 'smoking' can cause. I say as long as your are not 'cheating' yourself out of a long life plus having fun while doing so, well, I call that winning.
ps. Just saw your 2nd post. YAY! Hope she does well.
No, she wasn't being snide, and I apologize if my recounting of it inferred that. But she was being dismissive of the idea, which is why I didn't say much more at the time. And yes, probably conflicted too.
@JCinFLA - yeah I think it did take a lot for her to call me this morning. I'm an absolute believer in vaping, so however I can help her, I will.
@JCinFLA - yeah I think it did take a lot for her to call me this morning. I'm an absolute believer in vaping, so however I can help her, I will.
Obviously this woman has no clue about vaping. I did all the other cessation methods as well, except for the pharmas, I had a stroke 8 years ago and my doc said it might be dangerous to try that route.
Lucky you for being able to quit in one day. I received my first vaping kit over 3 years ago. And yes, like a dummy I still kept smoking after the stroke. I vaped and still smoked cigs for almost 3 years until the sub ohm revolution arrived on the scene. This was a game changer for me. After getting a sub ohm tank and lower nic juice it took only a few days before I smoked my last cig. I've been curious if I still have the interest in cigs so a few times I've tried one of my wife's and thought I'd throw up. I have quit cigs for good and confirmed that I will never ever smoke one again.
I found that game changer that those who want to quit tobacco desperately seek. The patches and gum, etc. may work for some, however, not for me and apparently quite a few people after reading what they've had to say for the past 3+ years on this forum. I've tried to get my wife to start vaping, but she'll half heartedly try for a few days and then I'll find the mod sitting in the same place it has been for a few days knowing she hadn't vaped at all. I guess what I'm trying to say is that some folks are tobacco users for life. Either they don't want to quit or it is too difficult either mentally or physically. Most of us on here have been lucky enough to find that game changer. We can educate and encourage others, however, I've found out after trying to help many other switch to vaping that the decision is up to them. You can lead a horse to water...you know the rest
‘Cigarette addiction is so very complex, and roots itself so very deeply.’ Annie56
Ain’t that the truth Annie! Was reading an article this morning about the hand to mouth component of cigarette smoking and how hard just that part of the habit is to break. Throw in nicotine satisfaction, throat and lung hit, the visible exhale, sense of relaxation and all the other sensations going on and no wonder cigarette smoking is such a difficult addiction to shake. I think that’s why vaping is so successful. You aren’t quitting them all at once. Healthwise, to quit inhaling burning tobacco and the thousands of chemicals (natural and added) is a giant step forward. Is it the end all? For some it is. Others want to lose the nicotine addiction too. The goal of still others is to inhale nothing but the air around them. Regardless where one goes after no longer lighting up is IMO a purists debate.
Bottom line: My guess is the friend sees quitting cigarettes without quitting nicotine and all the other aspects of smoking as not legit.
Ain’t that the truth Annie! Was reading an article this morning about the hand to mouth component of cigarette smoking and how hard just that part of the habit is to break. Throw in nicotine satisfaction, throat and lung hit, the visible exhale, sense of relaxation and all the other sensations going on and no wonder cigarette smoking is such a difficult addiction to shake. I think that’s why vaping is so successful. You aren’t quitting them all at once. Healthwise, to quit inhaling burning tobacco and the thousands of chemicals (natural and added) is a giant step forward. Is it the end all? For some it is. Others want to lose the nicotine addiction too. The goal of still others is to inhale nothing but the air around them. Regardless where one goes after no longer lighting up is IMO a purists debate.
Bottom line: My guess is the friend sees quitting cigarettes without quitting nicotine and all the other aspects of smoking as not legit.
WTA? What is this WTA you speak of? ! <Googles> Ahh!... Ooh! <Adds to shopping list> [emoji38]But don't tell her about WTA unless she starts struggling with vaping.
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I'm not sure... I'll have to look it up and get back to you.
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I didn't see disrespect towards the OP's person using the patch. It was the fact she thought Rose was cheating so many of us found ridiculous.
While the patch can be a legitimate tool to help people quit, its track record is very poor at best.
While the patch can be a legitimate tool to help people quit, its track record is very poor at best.
Dual using to be a moderate smoker, like I am, strikes me as actual cheating. I'm a smoker who isn't addicted to smoking (because of vaping). That, I reckon is cheating among even people in this thread.
But as one who's done cold turkey before, I can relate to how ANY version of NRT would be seen as cheating and why vaping might be perceived in that vein even more. To which a person who likes nicotine would be like, 'and so? What's the problem?'
But for those who are all high and mighty on quitting is so praiseworthy, then I think NRT is cheating your way toward whatever the alleged goal is. You are taking a journey toward that goal by trying to have your cake (or nicotine) and eat it too (use while claiming to be a quitter). But stipulate it all with "at least I don't smoke anymore." To which my dual using self that's done the full liberation thing previously is like, "so, what's your point?"
But as one who's done cold turkey before, I can relate to how ANY version of NRT would be seen as cheating and why vaping might be perceived in that vein even more. To which a person who likes nicotine would be like, 'and so? What's the problem?'
But for those who are all high and mighty on quitting is so praiseworthy, then I think NRT is cheating your way toward whatever the alleged goal is. You are taking a journey toward that goal by trying to have your cake (or nicotine) and eat it too (use while claiming to be a quitter). But stipulate it all with "at least I don't smoke anymore." To which my dual using self that's done the full liberation thing previously is like, "so, what's your point?"
Cheating how? & Cheating whom? are two questions one could ask in return to understand where the other person is coming from.
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