Calling all juice vendors to voluntarily self-regulate!
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I do agree. Don't let PETA or the ASPCA get involved. It will be more than banning e-cigs. They'll go medieval on us.
I agree, My grandson can open childproof bottles, you have to teach kids to respect your property and keep things out of reach. We all have "dangerous" things in our houses that isn't in child proof bottles (almost anything, even salt, can be deadly). The answer is to teach and monitor what kids are doing!
I do agree that ejuice should come in tamper proof bottles but most I have purchased do
with the exception of the ones that makes their own flavors then you have to trust them or not buy--the ones I know of disclose they are DIYers.
Thats what is wrong with this country...no one wants to take personal responsibility anymore!
I absolutely agree, but there are very, very greedy people in this world who will sue over noting AND WIN! (Remember the hot coffee?)
There are also people who believe that if you don't believe as they believe, they have to make you see the error of your thoughts. (We call these anti's)
There are also people who deserve to have the title "Parent" taken from them.
We live on this planet with them, so we have to try to get along (Sometimes I really DO want that flamethrower)
Hedging our bets is the best way.
Keep it as safe as humanly possible. Then go one step further.
IMHO ~ P
There are also people who believe that if you don't believe as they believe, they have to make you see the error of your thoughts. (We call these anti's)
There are also people who deserve to have the title "Parent" taken from them.
We live on this planet with them, so we have to try to get along (Sometimes I really DO want that flamethrower)
Hedging our bets is the best way.
Keep it as safe as humanly possible. Then go one step further.
IMHO ~ P
Yes, but this requires the use of common sense and unfortunately, common sense died a slow and unnoticed death for the majority about 20 years ago
how about y'all just watch your kids instead of having the government do it for you and let us who know how to teach kids not to drink poison alone... (that was directed to the "we" that no one seems to know)
lol, me too...Do you think we will ever get to the bottom of it??? lol
It seems to me that the consumer should be able to choose who they buy from. I've seen "Plenty" of suppliers and non-suppliers on this forum selling child-proof bottles, without childproof, with labels, without labels, tamper proof, without tamper proof etc...
Proper packaging and or labeling is definitely good practice, however all I see in the original post is one person making demands. On the behalf of who? "IMMEDIATE" demands? lol
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For the few of you who are displaying a "who are you to tell us to do things differently": I am the proverbial nobody. You certainly don't have to account to me. My intention in starting this thread was to provoke a meaningful dialogue and hopefully spark some constructive changes in this industry BEFORE the government steps in and burns the whole thing to the ground. I agree 100% with your perspective about personal responsibility, but the government doesn't care what we think. Either this industry self-regulates, or the government will do it for us. Personally, I would rather U.S. suppliers regulate themselves before the government decides that regulatory overkill is the answer...or just drives U.S. suppliers out of business entirely with a blanket ban.
I was intentionally dramatic in my original post, because I figured it would draw the necessary attention to get the dialogue started. I've edited it now, because a few people seem fixated on that instead of the topic itself.
Tell me to f*** off if you want, but take the message to heart, because the current situation is just begging for government interference.
I would like to highlight Spikey's message, because she "gets it." We would all be served well by heeding her advice:
I was intentionally dramatic in my original post, because I figured it would draw the necessary attention to get the dialogue started. I've edited it now, because a few people seem fixated on that instead of the topic itself.
Tell me to f*** off if you want, but take the message to heart, because the current situation is just begging for government interference.
I would like to highlight Spikey's message, because she "gets it." We would all be served well by heeding her advice:
Thank you for doing this! I haven't had the privilege of sampling your products yet, but I certainly will be ordering some!
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There are several vendors already providing child resistant packaging, and yes there are many that arent. This thread really should be in the supplier forum, though, if you would like proper responses from suppliers. (suppliers are not allowed to self-promote outside of the supplier subforum and their own subforum)
Thank you for letting me know this. I am going to try to figure out how to move this.
Ok, this thread is now in a holding pattern until I figure out exactly where to have it transferred and how to get it transferred.
I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
I would also like to express my thanks to those of you that, despite the confusion, offered up constructive commentary.
I apologize for any confusion this may have caused.
I would also like to express my thanks to those of you that, despite the confusion, offered up constructive commentary.
Child-proofing should be an option. All my kids are grown and gone. My cats don't have thumbs, but I keep my juice where they can't get it (their little claws could feasibly poke a hole in the plastic bottles).
Child-proofing should be an option to those wanting it at a fair price for those that order it. No more, no less. I would like my juice NOT to rise in price because some vapers can't control their kids or their stash. Just MHO.
Child-proofing should be an option to those wanting it at a fair price for those that order it. No more, no less. I would like my juice NOT to rise in price because some vapers can't control their kids or their stash.
Just MHO.
I would think that suppliers can respond to packaging concerns just fine here. It's not self promotion to respond to general issues.
As for child safety caps, they are not meant to be an absolute stop. They are meant to slow a child down. The vast majority of poisonings occur in children under 6 as children generally understand danger quite well beyond that age.
With nic juice, it is a tempting liquid, many times with fruity or sweet scents, labelled as such, and is used frequently, so the chance of it being inadvertently left out is far greater than with other household hazards.
Whether or not suppliers agree to do it voluntary is a bit of moot point. IF we somehow manage to keep the right to buy the liquid, no government will allow it to be sold without sealed protective packaging with warnings and child proof containers.
There is one other fallacy I see quite often on the forums. Parents are not the sole protectors of the young. Society invests in the youth and has an obligation and a vested interest in the development of our human resources. It is why we have socialized and mandatory education and child welfare laws. Parents, while the principle guardians, are not a law unto themselves.
As for child safety caps, they are not meant to be an absolute stop. They are meant to slow a child down. The vast majority of poisonings occur in children under 6 as children generally understand danger quite well beyond that age.
With nic juice, it is a tempting liquid, many times with fruity or sweet scents, labelled as such, and is used frequently, so the chance of it being inadvertently left out is far greater than with other household hazards.
Whether or not suppliers agree to do it voluntary is a bit of moot point. IF we somehow manage to keep the right to buy the liquid, no government will allow it to be sold without sealed protective packaging with warnings and child proof containers.
There is one other fallacy I see quite often on the forums. Parents are not the sole protectors of the young. Society invests in the youth and has an obligation and a vested interest in the development of our human resources. It is why we have socialized and mandatory education and child welfare laws. Parents, while the principle guardians, are not a law unto themselves.
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