I noticed Camel and several large tobacco are now entering the e cig market. How will this affect the marketplace competition? Do you think brands like Provape, njoy will be able to hold their own? I feel in time large tobacco could wipe out or buy out other big brands. This would be counter productive in essence because we here are against traditional cigarettes. What's your take on this?
Camel delves into the ecig market
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Depends on how well their product is received. If the VUSE is anything like Blu it could be bad for vaping in general, but only time will tell. From what I can tell, they seem pretty damn cocky about it.
Oh, and their sub-forum is jumping!
Vuse Digital Vapor System
The reviews have been horrible... but they will get the prime shelf space, and push out the smaller, better brands. Welcome to the free market!
Vuse Digital Vapor System
The reviews have been horrible... but they will get the prime shelf space, and push out the smaller, better brands. Welcome to the free market!
I know that big tobacco has purchased Blu, but I wasn't aware of other companies doing the same. I forget the parent company of Camel (I think it is Lorrilard) It is obvious that the tobacco companies want their share of the profits, especially if e-cigs continue to gain popularity. Or they'd like to regulate and corner the markets as they do with cigs. This way they can get ya coming and going, smoking and vaping. I had a young person comment on my vaping as being "cool", while I don't think its a good thing for a young person to think vaping/or smoking is "cool", but tobacco companies know they need to hook em young, perhaps this is one way to do so.
Money does play a role but some of the best vaping companies know the market far better imo. Like you said we will have to see
Time will tell, but their interests are not our interests, so there's plenty of things that they can influence with their money and distribution that won't be good for us. I remain very leery. Remember, big tobacco is behind a lot of the regulation going on in the states right now, and I don't see additional regulation as a good thing for me and/or vaping. So far, their products pretty much suck, and I don't think they understand the community very well at this point.
BT will attempt to achieve "Regulatory capture", which basically means they will be writing the regulations for the industry, which will be written in a way to wipe out most of the existing industry if at all possible, it's not a good thing.
Actually, I just looked, Camel is R. J. Reynolds who's doing the Vuse. Lorillard (Newport, Kent, etc.) owns Blu. Bought them recently but I forget when exactly.
Yup, seems pretty horrible. God knows what they'll put in their cartos and juices, too.
I tend to agree with this. Big Tobacco has seen the writing on the wall. Except for 3rd World countries, tobacco use via cigarettes has been down rather markedly in the last 2 - 3 years, and e-cig are a way for them to recapture some of the market back.
Their customer target base will not be with current vapors initially, but with current smokers looking for a safer alternative just like when we started out. It will be sort of "the blind leading the blind". You can see this from the commercials put out by Blu. How many of us really want to be alerted when another Blu user is in the same building as we are by a blinking blue light on the PCC?
Big Tobacco really has no interests in us advanced vapors. The big money in e-cigs is with cigalikes and smokers looking to make the switch to a safer alternative, and that will be their focus. What I fear is that they will try to manipulate upcoming FDA regulations to their own benefit to gain a larger marketshare. They could do this by having their professional lobbyists suggest the FDA limit nicotine e-liquid for sale to low-level nicotine cartidges (the "rationale" being this is a safer method of nicotine handling). This could cause a monopoly in the favor for Big Tobacco and cause major headaches for those of us who use higher concentrates of nicotine from bottled e-liquid. Hopefully, I'm wrong in this prediction.
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