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Big Tobacco is always a bad thing, Big Pharma is worse.
Big Tobacco right now will lobby and claim to help the vaping community to help mainstream it.
Once it's there it will take over and try to swallow any small business it can.
Big Pharma however would just like to totally nuke the idea all together.
Big Tobacco right now will lobby and claim to help the vaping community to help mainstream it.
Once it's there it will take over and try to swallow any small business it can.
Big Pharma however would just like to totally nuke the idea all together.
understandably they did 'anything' within the boundaries of their gubermint handlers to keep people addicted in spite of decades of proof that it literally killed their customers for the almighty $.
However, the ecig/vaping industry needs to make sure that tobacco (from which our nicotine is extracted from) is not dependent on these BigTobac farmers. Think Middle East oil.
Once we are a self sustaining industry and free from the threat of government. Then it will truly be a good day.
There is so much ANTZ rhetoric, propaganda and brainwashing in that statement that I don't even know where to start.
(FWIW, I'm not saying YOU are an ANTZ, just that everything in that statement are "facts" that originated from ANTZ rhetoric, propaganda and brainwashing created to profit from Big Tobacco hate.)
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Surprising big pharma has not gone after caffeine manufacturers. Maybe they have. Maybe BP makes all caffeine....I don't know. Kids are allowed to buy heavily caffeinated products, yet with nicotine we have to fight for our rights.
My understanding is nicotine by itself isn't a very dangerous drug used in moderation.
My understanding is nicotine by itself isn't a very dangerous drug used in moderation.
I'm also a pipe smoker. One of the companies I buy from adds ~$2.35/lb (going by memory) to the selling price. This goes to the Feds to give to the tobacco farmer so they can switch their crops to something besides tobacco. I presume the other companies just roll the fee into their overall cost without itemizing it.
All the chemicals they have been adding to cigarettes all these years to keep us more addicted? You bet they are NG. They have been hand-in-hand with the government to collect profits and taxes all this time. It has never been about our health - NEVER!
we have learned threw this site alot of great news. I am thankful to them and all our e juice makers and the fun things we have learned about vaping. I do not worry about the cig. companies, there will always be people that like to smoke. My husband and I love vaping and love the friends that have turned on to it and quit analogs. Its great. To each their own. lots of younger smokers like vaping better, we saw alot of them in Vegas and it was really neat. We love being smoke free and will always vape as we are both in our 60's and know what smoking can do and we were lucky to quit before it was a health issue. We will always sign petitions and help as we can to get the vaping knowledge out there. Grandma
That's a great outlook Grandma,
I agree. I am a bit younger but smoked for 25 years. I never even tried to quit. I heard about vaping and tried it just for fun. Turns out I like it more than smoking......and I am talking about cig-a-likes. Still haven't found the right juice (or tanks) for my ego-twists yet. I love GreenSmoke. I know it sounds crazy to most people here. I like the flavor, and i would rather vape those than smoke.
Still, we are going to see changes in the vape market. It's a new thing and getting popular. This means BG, BT, BP will ALL get involved. I just wonder how and to what affect.
I agree. I am a bit younger but smoked for 25 years. I never even tried to quit. I heard about vaping and tried it just for fun. Turns out I like it more than smoking......and I am talking about cig-a-likes. Still haven't found the right juice (or tanks) for my ego-twists yet. I love GreenSmoke. I know it sounds crazy to most people here. I like the flavor, and i would rather vape those than smoke.
Still, we are going to see changes in the vape market. It's a new thing and getting popular. This means BG, BT, BP will ALL get involved. I just wonder how and to what affect.
I think prices will go up a lot though and with the money being lost they are going to start crying and demand it come from somewhere else via Ecigs.
Big Pharm can't do anything about caffeine. Caffeine was around long before Big Pharm and the FDA. They can't just stand up one day and say Coffee is bad, stop it! They can and are willing to try to nuke anything new that will hurt their buisness, we don't hurt their business we pretty much take a big poop on it and laugh at it. Just look at the results gum and patches are having versus the results e-cigs have on people. They can't compete so they'd like to see e-cigs gone.
You know what I am sitting here puffing on a greensmoke at this moment.
A few weeks ago I did the deal they run with a starter kit for free (pay $1 in shipping). I had a wicked bad nic fit the other day and needed something hinger nic. All I had in the house was that kit. I discovered I actually LIKE their clove. So now I am polishing off the cartos that came with the kit and enjoying the heck out of it.
A while back, I was having a vape at my local B&M and talking to one of the owners about this. He enlightened me that BT is the biggest fighter for vaping and using their influence and money to keep it going. It doesn't take a genius to know vaping is the future and tobacco will be out soon. Any good business person would be willing to change to insure the survival of the company. I'm starting to get the feeling vaping will survive and be ok, but will probably be taxed heavily like tobacco IMO. 
The FDA essentially banned caffeinated alcohol drinks in 2010 (Four Loko: Does FDA's caffeinated alcoholic beverage ban go too far? - CSMonitor.com) and this past May:
"Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Deputy Commissioner for Food and Veterinary Medicine Michael Taylor called caffeine additives in snacks from jellybeans to waffles to energy drinks “very disturbing to us” in an interview" and "announced that the FDA plans to investigate the effect that foods with added caffeine have on the public and on children’s health. This could open the door for future action from the agency like imposing age restrictions on caffeine as well as restrictions on other food products."
The "slippery slope" is very real. Not to mention the pharmaceutical industry uses caffeine in over 2,000 OTC drugs (such as migraine pills) and in 2012, "Sagent Pharmaceuticals, Inc. announced the launch of Caffeine Citrate Injection, USP and Caffeine Citrate Oral Solution, USP, central nervous system stimulants."
Unlike with nicotine, the use of caffeine in pharmaceuticals did not place caffeine in only two categories of either "drug" or "food" ("tobacco product" in the case of nicotine). This left caffeine open as an ingredient in everything from food and medicines to dietary supplements. Something that I'm certain the drug companies would very much love to see changed.
If the FDA starts banning caffeine from being added to food and drinks that don't contain it naturally, that could easily end up covering dietary supplements, as well (just as nicotine is not allowed in dietary supplements) and that would leave just two uses for caffeine: naturally occurring and pharmaceuticals.
A while back, I was having a vape at my local B&M and talking to one of the owners about this. He enlightened me that BT is the biggest fighter for vaping and using their influence and money to keep it going. It doesn't take a genius to know vaping is the future and tobacco will be out soon. Any good business person would be willing to change to insure the survival of the company. I'm starting to get the feeling vaping will survive and be ok, but will probably be taxed heavily like tobacco IMO.
The owner of your B & M is either just as clueless as many about the intent of BT or much more likely he knows that BT's influence to have all internet vaping sales banned will be a big plus for his B & M.
Does the tobacco industry want to corner the e-cigarette market? Of course it does - so does the e-cigarette industry. But unlike Big Pharma, Big Health and the governments - the tobacco industry at least wants there to BE an e-cigarette market.
This is an accurate statement.
The trick is to support ecigs while at the same time make it possible for the "little guys" to stay in the business, once BT is in on it.
Watching the rise of Fasttech and clones in this community, I would say that the end result may very well be price point. And as happened with Walmart, the little guy gets swallowed up.
Which is a shame, but that outcome can be squarely place on the shoulders of the behavior of consumers.
One of the reasons I personally don't shop price point and instead buy from those who have *earned* my business with great CS and good business practices.
Right, but in this instance Big Tobacco can't simply under-price the competition -- or rather, Big Tobacco has a vested interest in keeping e-cig prices as high as possible. After all, if the public thinks that the e-cigs are just as expensive as (if not more expensive than) regular cigarettes, fewer members of their captive audience will slip away. And if Big Tobacco is more-or-less the only player in the e-cigarette market, they can stifle innovation, allowing the public to conclude that BT's inferior products are the last word in vaping.
So as of now, it looks like Big Tobacco's hopes are aligned with the pharmaceutical companies. Anything the FDA does to injure the smaller players in the e-cig market is to Big Tobacco's benefit. But if the government lays off (or mostly lays off, because I think we all understand that some regulation will happen whether we like it or not), if all of the smaller, superior e-cig concerns in the industry are allowed to do what they do, then eventually the truth will set us free -- or so I fervently hope, and cautiously believe.
And if the truth is allowed to prevail, then eventually Big Tobacco may one day become Big e-Tobacco. They may become our most powerful ally, when the stigma of cigarettes, combined with competitive pressure from a mature, diverse, and thriving e-cigarette market, finally forces Big Tobacco to change its entire business model. I'm sure that deep in the cold recesses of their tiny little hearts, tobacco executives are quietly relieved that e-cigarettes give them a viable fallback position in (what they regard as) the worst case scenario.
In short, BT wins either way. The question is whether they'll win at our expense.
The tobacco companies were already moving to alternative products in the US before e-cigs hit the market because cigarette sales were declining. E-cigs make up for those already lost sales, so an affordable option to offer smokers already heading to the door is what they want. Cigarettes are expensive because of taxes that do nothing for the industry's bottom line. Cigarette companies can make more profits selling inexpensive e-cigarettes without sin taxes. If taxes are raised THEN the tobacco (and e-cig) industry loses money because the market can only handle prices at a certain level. A big draw to e-cigarettes is the lower cost compared to cigarettes. The tobacco companies don't see e-cigarettes as competition for traditional cigarettes. They see them as a way not to lose customers to quitting altogether. For them it's like offering Coke and Diet Coke. The two don't compete with each other so much as capture a larger market. Coke wouldn't push for stricter regulations and higher taxes on artificial sweetener to push their customers into drinking regular Coke.
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