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No, they are reeling from the truth of tobacco dangers being painfully obvious to everyone including them. Now that they are seeing e-cigs as an alternative they are probably happy.
That is the only place that I am concerned with their motives.
ETA - For clarification, I meant online sales.
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Seconded! And Thirded! Wait, is that how this works?
Really, It costs nothing, takes about a minute, and gives us a better voice. What's not to like?
I agree. Although we, as vapers, also need to support CASAA. Without funding, their ability to advocate on our behalf against BP, BT and the zealots is almost impossible. Even a few dollars a month is very helpful.
I will join the CASAA right now.
I don't know much about the power they have but I will join. I DO know the power the tobacco companies have. They survived a US government "shakedown" and survived. Not many industries could do that. (I know they only survived because the government made billions...but still they paid off the US government)
I hope the tobacco companies help us vapers. Even if they profit.....they can protect us from the real threat. The government.
I don't know much about the power they have but I will join. I DO know the power the tobacco companies have. They survived a US government "shakedown" and survived. Not many industries could do that. (I know they only survived because the government made billions...but still they paid off the US government)
I hope the tobacco companies help us vapers. Even if they profit.....they can protect us from the real threat. The government.
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This market is getting ready to explode. BT stands to take a massive financial blow and they aren't going to be happy about it. If its possible to steer the FDA in their favor they will. Although BT isn't the only one aiming their sights on our wallets.
We are swimming in shark infested waters.
We are swimming in shark infested waters.
Glad to see you are joining CASAA. Please add their banner on your posts so other new members will think to join also. You can get it for free from the CASAA web site.
Don't be fooled that BT is our friend. If they have their way, we could be left with vastly inferior and costly vaping options only.
These are the folks you think will save vaping from the FDA?
The Seven Dwarves: I believe that nicotine is not addictive - YouTube
PLEASE join CASAA. It is quick and painless, even if you are stuck with a dialup connection.
The Seven Dwarves: I believe that nicotine is not addictive - YouTube
PLEASE join CASAA. It is quick and painless, even if you are stuck with a dialup connection.
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Smoking in the U.S. is going down. Smoking in other countries is going up. BT can read the writing on the wall. BT is more concerned with selling their products in other countries. BT will sell a starter vaping kit (battery/charger/cartos) here for 15 or 20 bucks. You run out of cartos, you buy another pack of 5 for 8 dollars. Your battery goes bad, you buy another two for 12 bucks. Same concept as buying a pack of butts. 'Cheap' and easy to use, no great mental abilities needed. Available same place cigs are now. What we are doing now (mods/RBA's/etc.) doesn't apply to the general population. If vaping becomes truly popular (more than 20% of the population vaping) then it will be thanks to BT and their ads, distribution system, and simple vaping devices. The big mods will remain a cottage industry. Only worry I have is that those 'cartos' will be only a few levels of nic, with just a few flavors, and the selections we do have now become illegal. Then we are back to buying from BT, and their propensity to make their product more addictive so you buy theirs and not their competitors!
Some great points! Funny how the government says "flavoring" attracts kids whe FDA approved nicotine gum comes in several flavors. Hmmmmm. I'm sure people have brought this to their attention.
I think your breakdown is correct. BT will be in the cig a like business. I am worried when we get to taxing it will be cheaper to smoke. Nicotine strength will be a problem if you want 24 or 36mg. Flavoring should not be a problem. Whatever age people are......taste buds still work.
I think given half a chance Big tobacco will make everything illegal except their cigalikes in menthol and tobacco flavors. They will also do in all internet sales. That will make it very difficult for people like me who's only options to purchase will then be overseas (and pray it gets through customs) or whatever big tobacco offers.
That said
I could if pressed learn to solder and make a simple box mod (google puck mod)
I can make my own liquid
It is topper that worry me as I have no illusion that my RBA and RBD will last forever
SO my stockpiling efforts have been in rebuildable toppers at this point.
I hope it does not come to it but I really believe Big tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Government won't stop until vaping as we know it no longer exists.
That said
I could if pressed learn to solder and make a simple box mod (google puck mod)
I can make my own liquid
It is topper that worry me as I have no illusion that my RBA and RBD will last forever
SO my stockpiling efforts have been in rebuildable toppers at this point.
I hope it does not come to it but I really believe Big tobacco, Big Pharma, and Big Government won't stop until vaping as we know it no longer exists.
If tobacco had half the influence people think they have, the anti-smoking laws and regulations passed over the past 10 years would have never happened.
Not me. When open enrollment starts next month, I'll be checking the non-tobacco user box for a nice discount.
My answer to the OP question:
BT is good on one hand, it goes like this...... They well be the only entity selling ecigs, of regular and possibly menthol sealed carto's. This well still allow millions upon millions of smokers to quit tobacco, for how long is yet to be seen. All good if people quit smoking.
BT is bad cause they lied to me and miilions that smoking was glorious etc etc etc..... Also bad because they well help destroy Vaping as I currently know and love. I'll never trust them again, however if I can't completely break the nicotine habit, well then guess what...... I may just have to eventually ( I'm stocked for a few years) because of habit buy from them again, can't say for sure not there yet.
Also remember BT wins no matter what, because if u smoke u buy from them, if u Vape u buy from them. That's the future they hope for. BT well not lose but make billions off smoking and Vapeing, our governments well get taxes from both venues.
BP well still sell all the other junk, for those trying to quit, they won't be hurt very much.
I sincerely hope none of that comes true, but alas poor yorick.....
BT is good on one hand, it goes like this...... They well be the only entity selling ecigs, of regular and possibly menthol sealed carto's. This well still allow millions upon millions of smokers to quit tobacco, for how long is yet to be seen. All good if people quit smoking.
BT is bad cause they lied to me and miilions that smoking was glorious etc etc etc..... Also bad because they well help destroy Vaping as I currently know and love. I'll never trust them again, however if I can't completely break the nicotine habit, well then guess what...... I may just have to eventually ( I'm stocked for a few years) because of habit buy from them again, can't say for sure not there yet.
Also remember BT wins no matter what, because if u smoke u buy from them, if u Vape u buy from them. That's the future they hope for. BT well not lose but make billions off smoking and Vapeing, our governments well get taxes from both venues.
BP well still sell all the other junk, for those trying to quit, they won't be hurt very much.
I sincerely hope none of that comes true, but alas poor yorick.....
Good post Talyon
There is some difference difference between the US and Canada but not much. My brother just moved from one state to another and there was a $3 difference in a pack of cigarettes. In the US state tax can effect the price of tobacco. I don't know if the Provinces and territories in Canada are the same or not. The tax rates can make a big difference. Vape may be the same at some point.
There is some difference difference between the US and Canada but not much. My brother just moved from one state to another and there was a $3 difference in a pack of cigarettes. In the US state tax can effect the price of tobacco. I don't know if the Provinces and territories in Canada are the same or not. The tax rates can make a big difference. Vape may be the same at some point.
This is probably one of the most accurate statements posted in this thread.
Big Pharma, the government and the tobacco industry all have a stake (ie. agenda) in people switching to e-cigarettes, but the tobacco industry is most in line with what vapers want. And we can't forget Big Health (the public health policies industry that makes its living on scaring consumers.)
Big Pharma not only loses the lucrative smoking cessation consumers, but also the end consumers - those who get so-called "smoking-related diseases." Billions upon billions are spent on treatments for cancer, heart disease, erectile dysfunction, anxiety/depression/stress and COPD. Over $100 Billion spent per year in the U.S. alone on smoking-related health care compared to the combined profits (after taxes and dividends) of the six leading tobacco companies in 2010 of $35 billion WORLDWIDE.
Big Pharma provides groups like the ALA, ACS and AHA (ie. "Big Health") with millions in funding for their anti-tobacco campaigns. Those groups, in turn, not only shill the smoking cessation products sold by Big Pharma, but continue the war on the tobacco industry and smokers that also fuels BP sales. If people no longer died from "smoking related diseases," those groups would lose billions in funding for fighting a popular "enemy" and no longer be relevant.
Then look at government tax revenue. The average annual US federal, state and local tobacco tax revenue & settlement income is around $40.4 billion. US tobacco tax income actually exceeds worldwide tobacco industry profits by $5 billion annually!
So, what does the tobacco industry have to lose? Tobacco growers lose nothing, because tobacco is still grown and sold for the nicotine - whether it's for the e-cig industry or Big Pharma. The tobacco companies were already seeing huge declines in cigarette sales and were already focusing more on their smoke-free tobacco lines, so also selling e-cigarettes is a win-win for them. So, tobacco companies want to see smokers switching to their e-cigarettes rather than quitting altogether or using Big Pharma gums and patches. E-cigarettes also allow the tobacco industry to offer a far safer alternative that can help its image. So, it's logical to think tobacco companies do NOT want to see e-cigarettes banned altogether, but rather want to corner the market.
So, which outcome is best for these groups and which is most in line with what vapers want?
Big Pharma: E-cigarettes banned, made so unappealing they don't sell or regulated so not competition
Big health: E-cigarettes banned, made so unappealing they don't sell or regulated so not competition to BP
Big Government: E-cigarettes banned to protect cigarette tax revenue or e-cigarettes taxed at cigarette rates
Big Tobacco: E-cigarettes not banned, lightly regulated, shown to be safe and taxed so they appeal and sell to smokers
Does the tobacco industry want to corner the e-cigarette market? Of course it does - so does the e-cigarette industry. But unlike Big Pharma, Big Health and the governments - the tobacco industry at least wants there to BE an e-cigarette market.
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One thing I haven't seen anywhere is the where "Tobacco Farmer" sits in all of this.
Who owns the farms? Big tobacco may not own many farms themselves, and they are probably scrambling to tidy up the supply chain of the raw material (the tobacco leaf)
Any body have info on what's going in that neck of the industry?
I can sure see the farmers harvesting for the nic labs, which won't change much I guess.
"Any" rules and regulations should be avoided at all costs !!!
Do not trust Big Tobacco or The Pharmaceutical industry, they want the nic. (all of it)!!!!
One rule opens the doors to hundreds more. It is all just working just fine right now!! isn't it........
Who owns the farms? Big tobacco may not own many farms themselves, and they are probably scrambling to tidy up the supply chain of the raw material (the tobacco leaf)
Any body have info on what's going in that neck of the industry?
I can sure see the farmers harvesting for the nic labs, which won't change much I guess.
"Any" rules and regulations should be avoided at all costs !!!
Do not trust Big Tobacco or The Pharmaceutical industry, they want the nic. (all of it)!!!!
One rule opens the doors to hundreds more. It is all just working just fine right now!! isn't it........
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