If I must I will grow my own flavors and the government can go to hell. Yellow cake might be a problem.
Can DIY with flavors truly be banned?
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So what are we looking at if/when the initial ban takes place? Pod system flavors being banned? Or also bottles of flavored juice from the internet/vape shops that are used for sub-ohm and rda/RTA? I have shifted to sorta DIY where I buy a bottle of PG/VG with nic mixed in, then the flavoring. Is this gonna be on the list right away?
I just need to know if I have time to stock up. Will it be a while before they can get to the DIY stuff?
I know it's been said a million times, but this is just sickening that adults are gonna lose their ability to vape and so many will go back to smoking. This is such a knee-jerk reaction to something that isn't even the problem.
I just need to know if I have time to stock up. Will it be a while before they can get to the DIY stuff?
I know it's been said a million times, but this is just sickening that adults are gonna lose their ability to vape and so many will go back to smoking. This is such a knee-jerk reaction to something that isn't even the problem.
Pretty sure the initial target will be pre-mixed juice and pre-filled pods that are flavored. I see high- concentrate nic base following at some point.
Not sure what you are doing but I have stocked up on liters of 100mg and 250mg nic base. I am confident that PG, VG, and flavorings will always be available.
Can someone point me in the direction of learning how to make homemade ejuice as well as any equipment to do it? I know I need pg, vg, nic, and flavors, but ajy good resources on getting those as well as a tutorial for how to mix would be appreciated. If I have to use only tobacco flavored ejuices then Im likely going to just start smoking again, which is unacceptable now that Ive worked so hard the past year to stay off them.
Could brick and mortar vape shops stay in business by just not actually mixing flavor into the ejuice? Sell the premixed vg/pg and sell flavor on the side? Then the customer could just mix it together... Sounds like a pain but keeps people in business and us vaping
I wonder if the guys and girls who do all this regulating get all their information from the small handful of online vape forums.
No one can say that these forums aren't the best place for vaping information.
If that's the case then the more resistance from the vape community will encourage more determination from those who regulate.
The vaping community is miniscule compared to the general population. And that giant demographic is who these regulators are looking out for.
I would imagine they come here quite regularly and have a good laugh at what gets written.
"Pathetic" is probably what they're thinking.
No one can say that these forums aren't the best place for vaping information.
If that's the case then the more resistance from the vape community will encourage more determination from those who regulate.
The vaping community is miniscule compared to the general population. And that giant demographic is who these regulators are looking out for.
I would imagine they come here quite regularly and have a good laugh at what gets written.
"Pathetic" is probably what they're thinking.
And now ECF, the best known, most level headed online vaping forum in the world, has just connected the global vaping community (NOT THE INDUSTRY, BUT US !) to organized crime by opening a Cannabis forum.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
It's alright, no one will notice.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
It's alright, no one will notice.
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I'm no "master eliquid maker", but I've taught 4 local people and 5 ECF members how to make their own eliquids. I met with the local people to teach them. But with the ECF members, we've done it through PMs on here, by emails, and by phone.
If you'd like me to work 1-on-1 with you to help you learn about it, just send me a private message (a PM). If you don't know how to send 1...just go up to your Inbox and hover over the envelope icon. A box will drop down, and you need to click on Start a Conversation. When the new page loads...enter my Username in the blank for who you want to be in conversation with. Then input a title, and maybe write something short in the message box. Click to send it and wait to hear from me. When I've responded, you'll see a 1 up there in your Inbox. Open your inbox and click on the link to the conversation.
There's a ton of You Tube videos that are tutorials. Do a search on You Tube.
There's also a ton of info right here in the E-Liquid forum.
Gear required to mix will be syringes with blunt needles, beakers. I bought all my mixing supplies at Bull City Flavors.
Most important item to get soon would be concentrate liquid nicotine. You can find recipes here and specialty web sites.
At this point there is no way to know for sure what all will be included in the ban. It's all just a guess at this point.
Growing yellow cake is not that hard- it's a matter of proper acid levels in the soil AND sun /shade ration.
Been seeing more and more of this around this forum lately. You don't have to comment to follow the thread, there's a "Watch Thread" button at the top of every page.
I'm afraid that the prohibition of flavored e-liquids will help grow the black market for these e-liquids. Just like what happens with cannabis before the lift. Why don't these people just put a proper regulation on e-liquid ingredients and make everyone happy?
From a legal standpoint, I have no idea. And I dont think will ever be able to ban just the flavorings. If they do a lot of food and other things will suck. Who wants a snow cone that just tastes like snow? Im talking about flavorings in general, not just vape flavorings. I dont see this BS ban as a super bad thing if you DIY your own juice. As far as the medium (VG and PG) goes, nobody would ban VG and PG. The flavorings and VG and PG are in millions of products we use and foods we eat every single day.
Maybe I missed it but are they just banning the flavored juices? What about the unflavored juice? Vaping unflavored juice is still a satisfying vape for me.
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I think for storebought ejuice it will depend on how new laws concerning flavor are worded.
One state ban on flavors indicated that if an e-juice had a characterizing smell/flavor other than tobacco, either before or during use, then it was to become illegal to sell (but not to possess)
That would seem on the surface to lump in unflavored, as unflavored neither tastes nor smells like tobacco. Although, since it has NO characterizing scent or flavor at all... it still might be a grey area.
Its almost one of those things that a shop may attempt selling it and see if a state government decides to send a cease and desist letter.. and they may not, I mean, is a state really going to say unflavored is inappropriate for adults and attractive to kids?
That would blow their "flavors being causal to teen vaping" argument out of the water..
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