Can I get a quick update on the "Is Vaping Safe?" conversation?
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Vaping is a risk reduction option. It's many multiple times safer than 'bakky.
Can't think of anyone that has said vaping is safe!
Head on over to the Health/Medical forum for the latest info.
Can't think of anyone that has said vaping is safe!
Head on over to the Health/Medical forum for the latest info.
My opinion is that vaping is safe, but it's not fool proof. I don't mean to scare anyone, but I've vaped a disposable e-cig from China that gave me a throat infection, so I make sure to shop for American-made juices that aren't produced in big chemical factories, and I haven't had any issues since. The infection was brought on only minutes after I vaped it, never having a throat infection in my life, and the doctors couldn't find a viral source, they were pretty bamboozled by it but just gave me medication and I suffered for a week. It was terrible.
However, it goes a little bit beyond the juice. I personally have a big theory that a lot of coil builds (which is what heats the juice) can cause some throat irritation based on how well they wick, because there can be feed-off particles from wicking material (proven), though these particles, by esteemed experts, are said not to lodge themselves in the lungs in any way. However, with experience, I think that they can indeed cause temporary discomfort. There's also the chance that oils and machine residue can be in tank or wick systems, so cleaning with alcohol or distilled water can be an important step.
By all accounts, if something tastes funky, if you're tasting a sort of singed tasted or metallic taste, it's safest not to vape it. A healthy vape should taste full in flavor, and should be soothing instead or harsh or dirty. Vaping, at its best, should also help people with coughs or lung problems, instead of agitating them. To me, it's always wisest to vape with 0mg juice on any new tank or device, to test and check for any throat irritation or negative tastes - nicotine can really pepper up a juice and also give some discomfort, so it can be confusing as to what to look for.
Other than those issues, the scientific opinion is that vaping is entirely healthy - even moreso than simple "risk reduction." Now, with issues such as wicking particles in a vape, or long term side-effects of vaporizing flavorings or other chemicals (sugars, propylene glycol - which is a healthy chemical to breath in as it is, it's used in hospital air conditioning systems to help combat airborn illness, if I'm not mistaken), it's hard to prove those things either way, but people have been vaping for years now, and with how various professionals do vape, like doctors, or our reviewer Phil, who does voice work and stuff, no one seems to be reporting any issues, or even minor ones, like vocal changes or worsening of breathing.
For me, experiencing a nice, clean vape instantly helps my breathing and relaxes my cough, and also breaks up lung fluid. For me, it's a miracle cure. However, I have to really watch out on wicky-tasting devices, as they do irritate my throat. Healthy flavor, to me, goes hand-in-hand with a healthy vape. Humans have a unique ability to taste if something doesn't taste healthy to our bodies (even if people love sugar, sugar isn't exactly unhealthy - I'm talking more like chemicals and poisons) and my stance is that I just won't vape anything that to me, doesn't taste or feel right.
My motto is that you can't really just think "Ok, this e-cig tastes pretty odd or bad, but cigarettes do too, so this must be safer." I don't believe that's true. Sure, off-brand tobacco flavors are pretty rank in terms of taste, but it's a big difference from like an artificial tobacco taste, and a taste that seems more sourced from singed material or a metaliic tinge, or a burnt vape. If something doesn't taste right to you, I think it's best just to put it down and find something that vapes a lot better.
However, it goes a little bit beyond the juice. I personally have a big theory that a lot of coil builds (which is what heats the juice) can cause some throat irritation based on how well they wick, because there can be feed-off particles from wicking material (proven), though these particles, by esteemed experts, are said not to lodge themselves in the lungs in any way. However, with experience, I think that they can indeed cause temporary discomfort. There's also the chance that oils and machine residue can be in tank or wick systems, so cleaning with alcohol or distilled water can be an important step.
By all accounts, if something tastes funky, if you're tasting a sort of singed tasted or metallic taste, it's safest not to vape it. A healthy vape should taste full in flavor, and should be soothing instead or harsh or dirty. Vaping, at its best, should also help people with coughs or lung problems, instead of agitating them. To me, it's always wisest to vape with 0mg juice on any new tank or device, to test and check for any throat irritation or negative tastes - nicotine can really pepper up a juice and also give some discomfort, so it can be confusing as to what to look for.
Other than those issues, the scientific opinion is that vaping is entirely healthy - even moreso than simple "risk reduction." Now, with issues such as wicking particles in a vape, or long term side-effects of vaporizing flavorings or other chemicals (sugars, propylene glycol - which is a healthy chemical to breath in as it is, it's used in hospital air conditioning systems to help combat airborn illness, if I'm not mistaken), it's hard to prove those things either way, but people have been vaping for years now, and with how various professionals do vape, like doctors, or our reviewer Phil, who does voice work and stuff, no one seems to be reporting any issues, or even minor ones, like vocal changes or worsening of breathing.
For me, experiencing a nice, clean vape instantly helps my breathing and relaxes my cough, and also breaks up lung fluid. For me, it's a miracle cure. However, I have to really watch out on wicky-tasting devices, as they do irritate my throat. Healthy flavor, to me, goes hand-in-hand with a healthy vape. Humans have a unique ability to taste if something doesn't taste healthy to our bodies (even if people love sugar, sugar isn't exactly unhealthy - I'm talking more like chemicals and poisons) and my stance is that I just won't vape anything that to me, doesn't taste or feel right.
My motto is that you can't really just think "Ok, this e-cig tastes pretty odd or bad, but cigarettes do too, so this must be safer." I don't believe that's true. Sure, off-brand tobacco flavors are pretty rank in terms of taste, but it's a big difference from like an artificial tobacco taste, and a taste that seems more sourced from singed material or a metaliic tinge, or a burnt vape. If something doesn't taste right to you, I think it's best just to put it down and find something that vapes a lot better.
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Is vaping safe ?
To be honest, I'm far more concerned about a physical assualt from an anti-smoking nazi who sees me vaping from across the street through his high powered binoculars and breaks down my door with a baseball bat in his hand and mayhem on his mind ...
Seriously, a friend recently had a woman in an SUV back him up to a fence, threatening to crush him, after she had driven across the length of a deserted parking lot to confront him for smoking a cigarette and "endangering her children". The same children that SHE had brought into proximity with the second hand smoke ...
People have lost their collective minds over the smoking issue, and will eagerly equate vaping with smoking, because they WANT to ...
That's the real danger, no scientific studies required ...
To be honest, I'm far more concerned about a physical assualt from an anti-smoking nazi who sees me vaping from across the street through his high powered binoculars and breaks down my door with a baseball bat in his hand and mayhem on his mind ...
Seriously, a friend recently had a woman in an SUV back him up to a fence, threatening to crush him, after she had driven across the length of a deserted parking lot to confront him for smoking a cigarette and "endangering her children". The same children that SHE had brought into proximity with the second hand smoke ...
People have lost their collective minds over the smoking issue, and will eagerly equate vaping with smoking, because they WANT to ...
That's the real danger, no scientific studies required ...
Oh I can solve that problem real quick. In that situation, that SUV is being used as a deadly weapon which is cause for a case of assault with such. 911 on my phone and that lady is off to jail. I have no tolerance for anyone getting in my face like that. We have rights, as fleeting as they seem, just like they do. And no one has the right to drive their SUV up on you and threaten your life.
My friend did the prudent thing and went over the fence and out of danger, when the bumper was still about a foot away from his legs.
Good-hearted soul that he is, he said later that he was more concerned for the kids who witnessed their mother using a vehicle to threaten a stranger's life because he was smoking a cigarette in public ...
He did report the incident, including the license plate number of the SUV, but with no witnesses, nothing came of it ...
How many assualts like this go unreported ?
Check out this video and follow the link to the Drexel University study on that page. That is a scientific study that, FWIW, I trust.
There is also a lot of trustworthy data on the CASAA website on vaping.
Hope this helps sk8man!
Wow. Glad your friend came out of that one unscathed! It just goes to show you, you never know just how close to the edge a messed up person you come across on the street can be.
My hat is off to him for the mature and intelligent reaction he had to the situation
I'm glad your friend is ok and I'm equally glad they reported it. As for witnesses, I guess if they wanted to go to the extreme, they could contact the property manager and see if there's any security camera footage. Behavior such as that should never go unreported. And the fact that there were children in the vehicle at the time makes it a thousand times more contemptible. And there's always civil court as well if they wanted to go that far. Even if it came down to he said she said, I still say the Judge would find in favor of your friend. Because if your friend had the license tag number and everything, why would they create such a fantastical tale just to get someone they don't even know in trouble? Maybe it's just me, but I have NO tolerance for behavior such as that.
I'm of the opinion that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger but that's only an opinion. I don't necessarily believe it to be true. 
To the original OP, I think there's nothing wrong with thinking about this. From ur start date, you've been vaping longer than me and curious how you feel over all compared to smoking analogs? I know I feel better myself but I do get the "is this ok for me" thoughts now and then.
I still get these thoughts but not as frequently as when I first started. If I ever asked questions on here, some peeps would be cool and calm me down, others would make me feel like an idiot by stating how many chemicals are in cigs, as if I didn't know. And just lately the safety thing has been creeping in my head because now that it's cold, people are talking about the heavy film from vaping is very hard to get off windshields and windows in their homes!?!? Even cig residue wasn't this hard to get off windshields as some are explaining.
HUH? Anyone can explain this? This is new to me since I started vaping when it was hot outside. I don't vape in my car or my house so I didn't know this. I would get nasty residue from cigs, but vaping??? So of course it makes me wonder if this vape residue is so hard to get off how are my lungs look'in?
I still get these thoughts but not as frequently as when I first started. If I ever asked questions on here, some peeps would be cool and calm me down, others would make me feel like an idiot by stating how many chemicals are in cigs, as if I didn't know. And just lately the safety thing has been creeping in my head because now that it's cold, people are talking about the heavy film from vaping is very hard to get off windshields and windows in their homes!?!? Even cig residue wasn't this hard to get off windshields as some are explaining.
HUH? Anyone can explain this? This is new to me since I started vaping when it was hot outside. I don't vape in my car or my house so I didn't know this. I would get nasty residue from cigs, but vaping??? So of course it makes me wonder if this vape residue is so hard to get off how are my lungs look'in?
To the original OP, I think there's nothing wrong with thinking about this. From ur start date, you've been vaping longer than me and curious how you feel over all compared to smoking analogs? I know I feel better myself but I do get the "is this ok for me" thoughts now and then.
I still get these thoughts but not as frequently as when I first started. If I ever asked questions on here, some peeps would be cool and calm me down, others would make me feel like an idiot by stating how many chemicals are in cigs, as if I didn't know. And just lately the safety thing has been creeping in my head because now that it's cold, people are talking about the heavy film from vaping is very hard to get off windshields and windows in their homes!?!? Even cig residue wasn't this hard to get off windshields as some are explaining.
HUH? Anyone can explain this? This is new to me since I started vaping when it was hot outside. I don't vape in my car or my house so I didn't know this. I would get nasty residue from cigs, but vaping??? So of course it makes me wonder if this vape residue is so hard to get off how are my lungs look'in?
Did you ever wash your windows and still have streaks or those smears that no matter how you try to get it perfect, it just doesn't happen? I think (just my thoughts) that there are those that want perfection. I've tried an experiment of blowing my vape onto the side window. Granted it was only a two hour drive, but I couldn't get a film on that window. Now my windshield does have a very slight haze. A windex wipe takes it off nicely. Perfect glass? No. But then I never could get any of my windows to look perfect.
I don't know how people do that?!? Which reminds me.....my car needs a bath. I think I can put it off for a bit longer.
My view is this. Vaping is supposed to be Tobacco Harm Reduction (THR), not Tobacco Harm Elimination. Is it safer than combusted tobacco? Yeah, and I think that there is substantial evidence to support that answer. How much safer? 10X? 100X?
I don't know the answer to how much safer. I would argue it is at least 10X safer, probably approaching 100X safer in my mind. It is difficult to assert it is safe without some long term studies to back it up. It appears from the Drexel study (and others) that short term use is safe.
Be careful about overselling how safe it is. Consider this when it comes up: stressing to others that vaping to that it is safer, and that it is THR. Admit openly that we don't know the long term effects yet, but that your body tells you it is much safer. That is my method.
I don't know the answer to how much safer. I would argue it is at least 10X safer, probably approaching 100X safer in my mind. It is difficult to assert it is safe without some long term studies to back it up. It appears from the Drexel study (and others) that short term use is safe.
Be careful about overselling how safe it is. Consider this when it comes up: stressing to others that vaping to that it is safer, and that it is THR. Admit openly that we don't know the long term effects yet, but that your body tells you it is much safer. That is my method.
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The way some describe the windshield thing is like the haze is so thick and caked on that they have a very hard time seeing through it and use a ton of different products and cannot get it off.
Now granted, I have no idea what juice they're using, how much they vape and like you said, what is their "can't see through it versus what I would expect" could be very different. I guess I wonder what it is about cold weather that is reacting to vape to make it do this in the first place. I never read anyone talking about this film when it was warm outside and I haven't experienced this myself but I don't vape in my car. Very strange.
I guess its kind of like when as a cig smoker, when I go outside in the cold to smoke, for some reason the smell would "stick to me and my clothes more" in the winter. At least it seemed like it to me.
Now granted, I have no idea what juice they're using, how much they vape and like you said, what is their "can't see through it versus what I would expect" could be very different. I guess I wonder what it is about cold weather that is reacting to vape to make it do this in the first place. I never read anyone talking about this film when it was warm outside and I haven't experienced this myself but I don't vape in my car. Very strange.
I guess its kind of like when as a cig smoker, when I go outside in the cold to smoke, for some reason the smell would "stick to me and my clothes more" in the winter. At least it seemed like it to me.
Ive noticed if you have type R glass vs type S glass in your vehicle it gets worse build up.
I think the PG and VG will condense at lower temperatures. So when you glass is 40 degrees, a lot of the vapor that would be absorbed into the air hits the glass and condenses in tiny droplets. When it is say, 75 degrees, it is above the dew point for that liquid, so it floats around and gets absorbed into the air. Also, warmer air can hold more moisture, so I am sure it can also hold more PG and VG. Or, I am pretty sure...
Just like you never see your breath on glass, unless that glass is cold. What you are seeing is the water from your breath condensing on the glass when it turns from vapor to a liquid.
Did you ever wash your windows and still have streaks or those smears that no matter how you try to get it perfect, it just doesn't happen? I think (just my thoughts) that there are those that want perfection. I've tried an experiment of blowing my vape onto the side window. Granted it was only a two hour drive, but I couldn't get a film on that window. Now my windshield does have a very slight haze. A windex wipe takes it off nicely. Perfect glass? No. But then I never could get any of my windows to look perfect.
Which reminds me.....my car needs a bath. I think I can put it off for a bit longer.
I have an OCD for clean glass on anything especially ecigs and windows. For windows: A quick spray with water and wipe with towel removes surface contaminants and some general grime. Followed by a mist of vinegar/distilled water and wiped with a clean microfiber cloth. Repeat. Final wipedown with a new clean microfiber cloth. Protip: When you wash your microfiber rags be 100% sure all detergents are rinsed out and dont use dryer sheets. The rags may smell clean and look it, but will smear like something awful. For an awful buildup a little Dawn will cut most grime. I just use alcohol and microfiber rags on my ecigs
I don't wanna work that hard.....
Thanks for the tips though!!!!!
. The only time it sorta bugs me.... When the sun hits it. Other than that, it looks great. How do you get the water spots off of shower doors???!!????!!!??? That irritates me. I've scrubbed with almost everything imaginable. Grrrr did I mention I don't wanna work that hard?
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