Can seem to coil for the life of me (PLEASE HELP!!!)

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Greggl4321

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Relax Gregg, a lot of questions asked here need more detail before someone can answer. Remember, we're just vapers like you and regardless of what you might think, everyone on this thread is giving up their free time to try to help, not give you a hard time. it's all good...

The wire question is important, if you are using non resistance wire for example, you will always get a 0 reading no matter what you do. If you whip out that multimeter, you'll be able to check this in a heartbeat.

So where'd you get the wire and what type of wire is it. Also, have you (or someone else) ever built a successful coil with it previously?


THis is exactly what I mean. The wire is not the issue. I dont know what kind it is, I got it at a smoke shop for e cigs. it was the thicker of the two the guy had. Seems to be a stainless steel wire? Or nichrome? Anyways

yes I have a multimeter, my device is vv as well, so I dont have to worry about problems experienced by mechanical mod users.
 
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THis is exactly what I mean. The wire is not the issue. I dont know what kind it is, I got it at a smoke shop for e cigs. its what the thicker of the two the guy had. Seems to be a stainless steel wire? Or nichrome? Anyways

yes I have a multimeter, my device is vv as well, so I dont have to worry about problems experienced by mechanical mod users

They sell non resistance wire at smoke shops. How do you know the wire is not the issue?

So out of 4 pages of responses, you took the time to point out that it's not the wire, but still haven't answered how you are wrapping your coil and if you are putting it through both posts and the center post, or not.

Would you like people to help or you just want to argue?

I find it amusing that you are now refusing to use your multimeter as a point of principle.
 
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Seems to me it is someone who should NOT be building just yet. If you don't answer what is asked no one can/will help you. Throwing a temper tantrum and blaming US for not answering questions we cannot with out the info asked just shows you need to either grow up or buy another tank you can just put a coil into.:facepalm:
 

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If I know the resistance reading is 0 what does this mean?

I'll try one last time.

It means that either you have a short in your atomizer, your APV is not reading the resistance correctly, your coil is touching the deck or the top cap of the atomizer or the coil is incorrectly installed and touching the posts where it shouldn't. It could also be that the screws are not snugged down onto the wire correctly or you are using non resistance wire.

It could also be something else.

Oh, I don't care if you ignore everything else that is posted in this thread, at least other members with the same issue may get something out of it.
 
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Greggl4321

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That is exactly why I say that the mod number is meaningless. There is no standard for how they indicate shorts and opens which leads to a lot of trouble helping newbs who have no experience to understand what is happening.

why would the smoke shop sell wire that is non conductive? I am pretty sure the continuity is good. How can my wire have a short in it? I'm arguing that the multimeter isn't going to tell me something that I dont already know. My device is either not reading it from below threshold resistance or the resistance is that low. How can I increase the resistance of my coil? and thicker guages cause more or less? and the larger the guage the smaller diameter, correct?


What specifically is it that leads to a lot of trouble helping newbs who have no experience to understand what is "happening"
What specifically do you mean by happening? I hope people don't judge me and want me to die because I smoke and they think im stupid. Einstein smoked, and he was a genius!

:toast: from Oceanside
 

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Dude... don't trip.

People are asking you questions in order to help you trouble shoot... but you're not giving them much to work with...

I'm happy to answer your questions, but the answers probably wont help you as you're asking the wrong questions... but here you go:

for more resistance: add more coils.... thicker gauge wire equals less resistance...

Have at it...

When you're done fiddling and going aggro cuz you can't get it to work... take a deep breath and break out that multimeter.

reason 1: problem may not even be in your coil so youre rebuilding over and over and getting frustrated for no reason other than your own stubborness.

Once youve done that... then perhaps some peeps here will help you sort out other possible issues... and yes, you have a device that reads ohm... i get it. only thing you're not getting is that your device may not be reading it due to contact issues...

anyways... happy to help when you're ready to be helped.
 

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why would the smoke shop sell wire that is non conductive?
Because non conductive wire is used in some builds. Just because it doesn't make sense to you, doesn't mean the question is not helpful to figure out what is going on.

I am pretty sure the continuity is good.
Being pretty sure is not the same as being certain. In order to eliminate issues, you need to be certain so you can resolve the issue using a process of elimination. Hence the questions.

How can my wire have a short in it?

That's not the purpose of checking the wire with a multimeter. We are trying to see if the coil itself has a resistance. If it does, we know the issue is with the installation or atomizer and not the wire or coil. Again, a process of elimination.

I'm arguing that the multimeter isn't going to tell me something that I dont already know.
But it may tell us something that allows us to solve the issue. You cannot possibly know some things without using one. We know this from experience. Ignore the advice at your own discretion.

My device is either not reading it from below threshold resistance or the resistance is that low.
Guessing what is 'happening' without checking often leads to disappointment. We're trying not to guess.

How can I increase the resistance of my coil?
More wraps, using a larger diameter coil, using higher gauge wire.




What specifically is it that leads to a lot of trouble helping newbs who have no experience to understand what is "happening"
What specifically do you mean by happening? I hope people don't judge me and want me to die because I smoke and they think im stupid. Einstein smoked, and he was a genius!

:toast: from Oceanside

I am trying hard not to judge you and I certainly don't want you to die.
 

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Greg. Yes or no. Are you connecting one of the coil legs to the center post?

i think he mentioned in a prior post that he was using and outer post and the center post.. so think he's good there. I'm pretty sure the center pin isn't making contact... but of course after reading the other post about the twist ties, you never really know...lol.
 

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why would the smoke shop sell wire that is non conductive? I am pretty sure the continuity is good. How can my wire have a short in it? I'm arguing that the multimeter isn't going to tell me something that I dont already know. My device is either not reading it from below threshold resistance or the resistance is that low. How can I increase the resistance of my coil? and thicker guages cause more or less? and the larger the guage the smaller diameter, correct?


What specifically is it that leads to a lot of trouble helping newbs who have no experience to understand what is "happening"
What specifically do you mean by happening? I hope people don't judge me and want me to die because I smoke and they think im stupid. Einstein smoked, and he was a genius!

:toast: from Oceanside

Ok, Let me put my two cents worth.

Atomizers have both positive and negative connectors in them. for the coil to produce heat, it needs to flow from the positive to the negative lead. If your atomizer has three posts, that means that two of them are the negative and one is the positive. If it has more, you might want to check which is which. Also note, that the body of the atomizer itself is considered the negative. If any of the coil touches any part of the atomizer, it "shorts" the coil out and will end up with a lower resistance than what some VV/VW devices can handle. In such cases, a display of "low ohms, error, or just 0" might occur. Since the vv/vw device is designed to protect itself, it will simply not fire and produce some sort of error code.

Now, that being said, the thickness of the wire matters as well. The thicker the wire, the more electricity it will allow to go from the positive to the negative leads. If you have too thick of wire, it will allow too much electricity, and not have enough resistance, resulting in the error code I mentioned earlier. If your wire is too thin, it will produce too much resistance and no vapor. Your best shot is to have an ohms meter. An ohms meter will just give you a reading on the resistance and it does not have error codes built in, it just simply tells you the resistance of what you have wired. That can be a handy tool in troubleshooting what is going wrong.

Also, keep in mind, not every type of wire will work. special heating wire is used to create the vapor (kanthal or nichrome). Unlike a non resistant wire (like copper) These provide some resistance to the electricity and turn it into heat. some mods require a mix of resistance and non resistant wire. They use the non resistant wire to get the electricity to the heating wire. Those are usually called NR-R-NR wires (no resistance - resistance - no resistance). Those wires can produce an accurate resistance since the length of the heating coil is a set ammount. The user can cut as little or as much as the non resistance wires and the coil will still remain the same resistance, since it's in the middle.

I hope this helps. Even though you may already know some of this, there may have been something you were missing. I hope this sheds some light on the subject.

forgot to add... The center posts are capture devices that work similar to a vice. you unscrew the screws, insert the wire into the holes, and then screw the screws down to capture the wire. some people use the screw heads to capture, but I highly advise against it, since it can seat the coil too high and touch part of the atomizer and short it.
 
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Greggl4321

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Greg. Yes or no. Are you connecting one of the coil legs to the center post?

yes on goes through the center post, the other goes through a post on the side. it can be center post right or center post left.

is this right?

As for not wanting to die, sometimes I worry about the regulation of the ecig juice. hopefully there is some sort of regulated safety/contaminant check.

feels wierd seeing someone on here from oceanside. hopefully I don't piss him off and have him come after me. Heh, he probably sold me my ecig
 

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Pv is another way of saying your mod. The thing the atomizer screws on to.

The thickness of the wire wouldn't make you resistance come out to 0. If it was a lower gauge then your coil might not have a high enough resistance for your mod to read, depending on how it was wrapped.

Really I would check to make sure the atomizer is actually making contact with your mod.
 

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Where did you get the wire? What kind of wire is it?

My brother in law decided to try building a coil for an rba without consulting any educational resources or asking any questions. He kept getting 0.0 resistance and popping coils on the first press of the button. Turns out he was using the wires from twist ties like you see on bags of bread :facepalm:

Help us help you. Give us some details about the materials you are using or at least where you got them.

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its not a mechanical mod, I can check the resistance once it screws in and it always says zero. Why would an ohm meter be necessary?

IF the resistance is too low then the resistance is too low. I'm trying to make a coil that will register with my ecig. I dont care what the resistance is, if its not going to work. The ohm meter wont tell me what I'm needing to know, if the resistance is so low that my mod cant read it than I dont care what it is, I just know that I need more resistance.

I do have a multimeter, I'm just not understanding the benefit it serves when I have the ability to check the resistance on my device, and I keep getting 0

Please, before you hurt yourself, stop.
You're making me nervous and I'm on the other side of the world from you.
Do some more research, or go to a local shop and get help with it.
Youtube should be your best friend.

Respectfully,
Dane
 
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