Can we stop recommending RBA's and mechs to beginners please?

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ClippinWings

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Hi , I'm a newby (4.5 months) but I did alot of reserch before I ever bought my first kit (ego1100 with CE4 clearo, USB charger and needle bottle) but I am 58 yrs old and have alittle horse sense. What I notice on the forum is that the 5 post requirement may not be enough for newbys maybe keeping them in the begginers forum alittle longer will make them read more threads on the basics of vaping and equipment,juices and safety issues with the process. Everyone wants to jump in with the BIG BOYS and talk about the big guns in particular the younger males. Testosterone being what it is you can't stop them from trying to jump off the roof and fly but you can slow them down. Maybe a 10 post threshold would curb the dash to the top of the heep alittle and cause them to learn more, even if it's by osmosis(from hanging around the baby pool):2c:

Amen!

That and add the rules of this new forum to the new member forum and we'd be better off.
 

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    I normally tell a noob that it doesn't matter all that much what they buy for a first PV ... just don't spend the family fortune until you know that they like vaping. I just don't know of many that stuck to that first starter kit for more than a couple of months anyway. (myself included)

    Times change, and the choices I had almost 4 years ago aren't the same as the choices noobs have today. Anyone remember all the 808-DI threads for noobs? (oh and, don't buy a D2, they are over priced kits made for rip-off mass marketers) :lol:

    I would love to be able to suggest eGo's, but then a noob goes out and buys an ego, or an EGO, or an Ego, and burns their house down when charging it.
    There is so much knock-off junk out there these days that sometimes I don't feel safe suggesting anything.
    Roly Gate: Yes, good point - all ecigs should now use Li-Mn or hybrid. Li-ion cells are obsolete now, and it is obvious that the protection circuits in 'protected Li-ion' packages (like eGos) don't work when charging.
    August 9 at 8:11am ·

    Roly Gate: I've posted that in ECF already. Li-ion is obsolete and needs to be gone. Currently I'm doing a major set of warnings on ECF about this because with just one UK city reporting nine fires and a death, something needs to be done. We're gonna get crucified on this.
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    IMO, it's past time for the Consumer Protection Agency to start issuing recalls on some of the knock-off junk.
     
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    GrassCan

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    Call me old school but:

    ego/Clearo
    18650 regulated/clearo
    Mech/RDA

    In that order

    Real old school and you start at a 510 with blue aquarium foam stuffed in the cart ... But no one need be subjected to that crap anymore. LOL

    Ha ha ha ha, I never got my hands on blue foam, but did use Pyramid tea bags LOL
     

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    Hi , I'm a newby (4.5 months) but I did alot of reserch before I ever bought my first kit (ego1100 with CE4 clearo, USB charger and needle bottle) but I am 58 yrs old and have alittle horse sense. What I notice on the forum is that the 5 post requirement may not be enough for newbys maybe keeping them in the begginers forum alittle longer will make them read more threads on the basics of Vaping and equipment,juices and safety issues with the process. Everyone wants to jump in with the BIG BOYS and talk about the big guns in particular the younger males. Testosterone being what it is you can't stop them from trying to jump off the roof and fly but you can slow them down. Maybe a 10 post threshold would curb the dash to the top of the heep alittle and cause them to learn more, even if it's by osmosis(from hanging around the baby pool):2c:

    I don't know how much it would help actually?
    In the past few days I've noticed people (noobs) starting threads (their very 1st post) asking about building .15 ohm coils sSc_shocker.gif and they don't know the first thing about sub-ohm vaping. They didn't learn it here. Probably you tube or something? BUT it's our responsibility to educate them of the dangers.
     

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    Interesting thread.

    Seems to me that what's going on is that vaping replaces cigarettes to the extent that it provides a competing pleasure. That's why they work - they don't just replace the nicotine, they reward in various and very compelling ways.

    For people who love to tinker and the challenge of mastering fairly complex mechanical and electronic processes - stuff that requires cool little tools and a nifty skillset and intricate fiddling with tiny wires and for whom all that's a reinforcement and a positive pleasure, not a daunting and overwhelming opportunity for tedious failure, there should be a subforum called "For Technically Inclined Newbies; The Workshop". Experienced and capable mentors should be invited to participate and provide charts and graphs and manuals and stuff.
    (Back in the day this forum could have been called "For blue foam people who like dremels and meters and stuff" - I stayed away from those people. But they're the ones who evolved this industry. Props. :) )

    For newbs who prefer user-friendly products with minimal hassle and maximum quality in that category, the reinforcement is very precisely the opposite of the above. Ease of use and someone else's ingenuity is what makes it work. Luxury is often a factor for this group, which includes collectors, compulsive shoppers and people who just prefer simplicity. For them, there could be a forum called "Plug 'n play - For Newbies Who Like It Simple and Elegant". Mentors here would mostly provide basic instruction, encouragement, new product exposure and enthusiastic support.
    MVPs are packaged like Apple products for a reason.
    (I remain in this category, having tried everything once, after nearly 5 years of vaping. I don't want to modify or build ANYTHING, or do math. And I love my lovely gear. )

    For some people the reinforcement has to do with uber-cool, extravagant, over-the top display and competitive plumery - the young-at-heart adrenaline crowd - maybe a skull&crossbones sub-forum called, "Tats 'n Batts - Safety and Minimal Courtesy, Massive Clouds For Newbies.*" This one will overlap with the techie section but will promote cutting edge coolness, plus mentors who say things like "I'm scared for your face, brah.*"
    I'm old and probably have the lingo wrong, which is why I'm not allowed on that forum - belonging to an elitist in-crowd is also reinforcing.
    *(I'm sure I've got the forum name wrong, too. That's how it's supposed to be. Whatever works.) :)

    And for newbies who just want something as close to a cigarette as possible: Like the Real Thing but Better - Best Cigalikes For Newbies. They may happily stay there forever; not everyone wants or needs a product that evolves. Cigarettes didn't. The reinforcement is simple - as Frank Underwood put it, "Addiction Without Consequences." We can argue about tthat phrase, but it encapsulates the most fundamental reinforcement. Mentors there should know the difference between the really ineffective and un-tasty ones sold at Quikmart and the nice quality ones that really are out there and not sold by BT or giant corporations, either, for those that care.
    And, for the daring, they'd know how to refill a nekkid carto.

    The problem is in the jumble, wherein people are seeking and suggesting very different experiences to the wrong people. Whatever happy obsession best distracts and distances people from cigarettes is the main thing. You can probably start anywhere, so long as you're with the crowd that gets, or is willing to help you find, your basic prefs.

    edit: I'm also sad writing this probably silly thing, as in the back of my mind I'm always aware that at best the FDA'S ruling is going to very, very, very severely limit these sorts of choices within the next two years, likely by this time next year. Please join CASAA if you haven't already. Respond to calls for action.
     
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    ClippinWings

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    Ha ha ha ha, I never got my hands on blue foam, but did use Pyramid tea bags LOL

    there ya go!

    I was a lurker back then... but man this forum gave me useful info that ALMOST made cig-a-likes work...

    I joined up here a few months later, when i got my first eGo... and put down my last pack of smokes.

    Fun times, fun times.
     
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    aubergine

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    It really was so much fun! Go check out GrimmGreen waxing rhapsodic over menthol in a Vapor King in 2009.
    And don't make fun - it was all totally amazing and exciting. :)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brP88kxQFmI

    We used to argue about how to wash out those prefilled cartos - boil 'em? Soak in vodka? Just throw 'em out the window? OMG, diamond tips! In 3 colors! Auto or manual! More and more flavors, endlessly innovated systems, better and better... it all just took wing.

    In these days with the FDA casting its long shadow over our brilliant little parade again it's hard to remember what a totally wild, madly creative and ingenious idea ecigs are. When I started NO one had heard of 'em hardly, it was like discovering gold. And it was all about quitting smoking, a miracle. You could replace a deadly, disgusting, humiliating, miserable habit with a magical, fascinating, harmless gadget! Something really happy and beautiful.

    That's the part that makes me want to cry. Just so freakin' cruel and ugly to malign and restrict and try to destroy something so basically good.
     

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    I don't know if y'all have noticed, because of things like this lately, we have a new sub for New

    My only thought on this besides what a geat idea, was why is it burried as a sub forum. If it was up front it might grab the noobs eye faster. As for people recomending mechs and rdas to people who are clearly not ready you will find no good solution. The only thing we can do as members is point out the errors to the op. But somtimes that is like trying to un-ring a bell. Another great addition would be the ability for members to flag a post wich could take it out untill a moderator gets a chance to look at it.
    Well thats my :2c:
     
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