Can We Stop Recommending the Subtank/Atlantis to New Vapers Please? IT'S NOTHING LIKE A CIGARETTE

[Katya]

I think the most important thing, which was mentioned earlier is to listen, or in our case, ask questions like what are you looking for. What do you want out of a set-up? Do you want simple? Something similar to an analog? Etc.
Just my 3 cents (adjusted for inflation) but really, it's about getting people off the analogs. Individual results may vary....

Yup.

Many of us try do that. But then we have the usual suspects who just breeze through the threads, without even bothering to read the OP, and offer the usual, "your stuff is garbage," "get a ProVari," "get a VS rDNA 40" "get a mech and an rda..."

*sigh*

ETA: I even saw people recommending a Subtank to new users who only had an eGo battery...

 

[Ca Ike]

Funny thing....I never had a lick of trouble with my protanks or cartotanks and those I passed them on too are still using them trouble free. Protank mini is what worked for me before the hobby side came in.

 

[Ryedan]

OK Katya, so I stared at that for a minute and now I'm hypnotized. Could you please say '3, 2, 1 wake up'?

Hang on ... I just read what I wrote and I think I'm OK now


I still hate when that happens though!

 

[Ca Ike]

I had a guy at work tonight show me his beginner set up. A copper stingray clone and mutant x clone with a 1/2 inch bore comp cap. I asked him what ohms he's running and " I don't know but the shop guy said it's safe". Asked what battery he had and "I don't know but it's green". I told him to get rid of his mech before he hurts himself and "what's a mech?" [emoji47][emoji15][emoji85] his last comment was "I was recomended this by several Vapers as the best starter gear" while complaining about how many coughing fits he gets.

This is not much different than pushing high power mods and sub ohm tanks without any attempt to explain the basics.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

I had a guy at work tonight show me his beginner set up. A copper stingray clone and mutant x clone with a 1/2 inch bore comp cap. I asked him what ohms he's running and " I don't know but the shop guy said it's safe". Asked what battery he had and "I don't know but it's green". I told him to get rid of his mech before he hurts himself and "what's a mech?" [emoji47][emoji15][emoji85] his last comment was "I was recomended this by several Vapers as the best starter gear" while complaining about how many coughing fits he gets.

This is not much different than pushing high power mods and sub ohm tanks without any attempt to explain the basics.

It's actually drastically different! Like not even in the same universe of risk, different. And you just named all of the reasons why... If he had a regulated device, he would know his approximate ohms load, his battery level, the device would not fire if the either were too low, or if the coil was shorted. Still a lot to know, but a regulated device that could power a dripper would be leagues better for him in terms of safety than a mech.

To take it further, comparing his set up to a 30 watt mod with a subtank is, well, it's not even worth comparing. It's just not the same on any level. We are talking about a .5 coil here folks. (though it's worth noting that it runs just as good with the 1 ohm coil.) In a regulated device, even a 10 amp battery would run this just fine with quite a bit of headroom to spare.

(though I agree that the basics should be explained either way.)

 

[Rossum]

We are talking about a .5 coil here folks. (though it's worth noting that it runs just as good with the 1 ohm coil.) In a regulated device, even a 10 amp battery would run this just fine with quite a bit of headroom to spare.

Depends on the power setting. At 20 watts, no problem. But at 30 watts, a regulated device will pull more than 10 amps from the battery as you approach the end of the battery's charge. Remember no regulator is 100% efficient.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Depends on the power setting. At 20 watts, no problem. But at 30 watts, a regulated device will pull more than 10 amps from the battery as you approach the end of the battery's charge. Remember no regulator is 100% efficient.

Yeah, Jake. What the hell are you thinking??? You should get people started on a Fisher Price mod with a TYCO atty. When they're ready, perhaps a Mattel or a Tonka. But anything with a removable battery is just asking for an injury. I wish you cared more about others.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Depends on the power setting. At 20 watts, no problem. But at 30 watts, a regulated device will pull more than 10 amps from the battery as you approach the end of the battery's charge. Remember no regulator is 100% efficient.

That's true, but you would have to drain them pretty low to exceed that. Like 3.3 volts, depending on the efficiency of the device. None of this is completely foolproof, yet here we all are.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Yeah, Jake. What the hell are you thinking??? You should get people started on a Fisher Price mod with a TYCO atty. When they're ready, perhaps a Mattel or a Tonka. But anything with a removable battery is just asking for an injury. I wish you cared more about others.

I thought Lipo's were even worse??? Every time I fire my MVP 30 with my subtank, I'm risking a fiery death.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

Yeah, Jake. What the hell are you thinking??? You should get people started on a ****** ***** mod with a **** atty. When they're ready, perhaps a ****** or a *****. But anything with a removable battery is just asking for an injury. I wish you cared more about others.

Real clever post...Throwing around children's toy manufacturer names on an Electronic Cigarette forum has got to be a good idea with Google and all. Bravo!!

 

[tj99959]

It's actually drastically different! Like not even in the same universe of risk, different. And you just named all of the reasons why... If he had a regulated device, he would know his approximate ohms load, his battery level, the device would not fire if the either were too low, or if the coil was shorted. Still a lot to know, but a regulated device that could power a dripper would be leagues better for him in terms of safety than a mech.

To take it further, comparing his set up to a 30 watt mod with a subtank is, well, it's not even worth comparing. It's just not the same on any level. We are talking about a .5 coil here folks. (though it's worth noting that it runs just as good with the 1 ohm coil.) In a regulated device, even a 10 amp battery would run this just fine with quite a bit of headroom to spare.

(though I agree that the basics should be explained either way.)

Only with no understanding of it's meaning or ramifications.

I wonder what % of new vapors know that 3 ohms is considered "Standard Resistance"

 

[Asbestos4004]

Real clever post...Throwing around children's toy manufacturer names on an Electronic Cigarette forum has got to be a good idea with Google and all. Bravo!!

hahahahahahahhaaaaa....ok buddy. Keep coming back.

 

[beckdg]

Only with no understanding of it's meaning or ramifications.

I wonder what % of new vapors know that 3 ohms is considered "Standard Resistance"

I should hope none at this point. There is no longer a "standard resistance" these days. Unless you want to qualify equipment and settings to quantify your standard.

The carto on a 5v fixed mod no longer reigns supreme... and hasn't for what's considered ages in this fast paced industry. It's a dinosaur these days...

Tapatyped

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Only with no understanding of it's meaning or ramifications.

I wonder what % of new vapors know that 3 ohms is considered "Standard Resistance"

It's NOT considered standard resistance... It used to be considered standard resistance. Things have changed, like it or lump it.

edited to add.

Nobody is telling anybody they have to change the way they prefer to vape. You want to use a 3ohm carto, by all means, have at it. Like your Vivi Nova, swell. Rebuilding protank heads is how you relax, game on. But clearly this ALSO is not the preferred way for everyone else, either. I'll say it again and again, just because some of us had to jump through these hoops doesn't mean everybody who starts vaping should want to, or have to. There is no merit badge system that I know of.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

Real clever post...Throwing around children's toy manufacturer names on an Electronic Cigarette forum has got to be a good idea with Google and all. Bravo!!

Is this serious? You think a mention of the word Tonka on this forum would show up before the 10000th page of results on google? I implore you to never visit any of the juice threads. People mentioning skittles, and bubble gum, and cotton candy, and snickers, and all sorts of things like that. it's crazy.

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

Is this serious? You think a mention of the word Tonka on this forum would show up before the 10000th page of results on google? I implore you to never visit any of the juice threads. People mentioning skittles, and bubble gum, and cotton candy, and snickers, and all sorts of things like that. it's crazy.

I am careful about what I post.... Do as you wish.

 

[stevegmu]

There is a thread titled something like the Minion empire with a picture of a Minion cartoon character. What's the problem? It is a family oriented forum...

 

[DavidAmonettNashville]

There is a thread titled something like the Minion empire with a picture of a Minion cartoon character. What's the problem? It is a family oriented forum...

It was tongue in cheek...but still it's a good practice to keep things on the safe side....

It's been my experience that on threads like this, Where 42 people liked/agreed with the OP, There will be the hard-core obfuscators who will Vulturate the final few posts of the thread until no one else wants to participate..Like it or not the Sub-tank/Atlantis is still probably a poor choice for a newbies first device. The reasons have been stated numerous times. If I had tried a Sub-tank with its wide open draw I would have likely continued smoking. Recommend whatever you want to recommend but if you're suggesting these devices to smokers who prefer Mouth to lung inhaling you are doing them a great disservice I say all of this as I wape my STM @25watts so I'm not being a hater...I'm being a realist. Long gone are the days where Sub-ohmers were attacked and called subversives so stop being so sensitive and let the butthurt go.​

 

[amoca]

And then along came Joyetech......Joyetech eGo ONE ...lol.

I have 3- 2 small 1100 mahs and the Xl. LOVE THEM. Don't hardly use my iSticks because this is just such a nice, easy to use vape. Plug and play. Hard to see the juice but you get used to how much it uses, which is quite a bit compared to some of my other tanks, but still- nice rig.

 

[stevegmu]

It was tongue in cheek...but still it's a good practice to keep things on the safe side....

It's been my experience that on threads like this, Where 42 people liked/agreed with the OP, There will be the hard-core obfuscators who will Vulturate the final few posts of the thread until no one else wants to participate..Like it or not the Sub-tank/Atlantis is still probably a poor choice for a newbies first device. The reasons have been stated numerous times. If I had tried a Sub-tank with its wide open draw I would have likely continued smoking. Recommend whatever you want to recommend but if you're suggesting these devices to smokers who prefer Mouth to lung inhaling you are doing them a great disservice I say all of this as I wape my STM @25watts so I'm not being a hater...I'm being a realist. Long gone are the days where Sub-ohmers were attacked and called subversives so stop being so sensitive and let the butthurt go.​

You must have confused my posts with someone else's. I only recommend Halo Triton starter kits, eGos, ProVape-1 starter kits with IBTanked carto tanks or for someone who wants a high quality regulated mod- ProVari2.5 and IBTanked carto tanks...