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I think as long as it stays here (too many would object in the main forums and it would be a disaster) and is directed at safety it's a good thing. I am a Libertarian at heart (not a member of any political party) so to me what someone puts in their own body is up to them as long as no one else is harmed. However I will be the first to point out some potential long term consequences to others if asked.
In the 70's I became a member of NORMAL. I was a stoner till 93. Probably still would be if I hadn't got the paranoia. For those that don't know the paranoia isn't being afraid of getting caught, it's bad (as in violent) anxiety attacks with no idea what you are paranoid about. Had to stop cold turkey and tried it again a year later with the same results. Abstinence since then.
I had an eidetic memory which faded and losses in short term during that time period. Nothing directly links this to my choices but I'm not the only one to report these experiences, so who knows for sure.
Anyway, just my
Any chance you were in your early 30’s when you caught the paranoias?
Common phenomenon for it to hit at that age for some reason. It’s often after a prolonged break of not using too so “I quit for a year and when I started again I got panic attacks” type scenarios. Not really sure why, maybe a naturally occurring shift in brain chemistry at that age is a theory I have.
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A total ban on vaping? Not going to happen. Try it see how that works out. Flavors are held in (for the majority) PG, considering more people are using these tanks (easy vape rare leak) things, and vaping much more fluid, completely plausible they are holding more liquid in their lungs. Imagine that, slurp in atomized liquid trying to get the best 'cloud' , and the tripe sticking in the lungs, strange I know.
Be a tootle puffer!
There is going to be no ban on flavors. Your statement ;Are you Serious?
10 years I have Watched the e-Cigarette Market. Have never seen a Significant Problem.
Then, in the span of 4 weeks or so I see Localized Clusters of People Getting Sick. And the Common Denominator is people "Vaping" THC. Almost Exclusively THC that was bought from Illicit street sources.
So Now the Answer is to Ban Flavored Nicotine Products that people use to Stay Off or to Quit Smoking?
Gimmie a Break.
" 10 years I have Watched the e-Cigarette Market. Have never seen a Significant Problem." is eerily reminiscent of previous generations, think about it.
If anyone has the slightest notion that more regulation is a bad thing , the thinking in that idea is ill. I want more scrutiny on what I put in my body in a business which sends hundreds of millions of dollars to governments annually. That is the responsibility of government. You are paying them, let them do that job.
What is it that does not compute?
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The crazy notion that " I don't smoke analogs, or physical tobacco" so I am ok , is perilous, please mind the thoughts.
As for the "cannabis" thing, just use a flower, skip the chemistry for crying out loud. It takes more chemicals to extract the "good stuff" than people in general understand.
I Don't know where you are Getting All this stuff from? Or maybe you Haven't been keeping up on Current Events.
But when it comes to e-Cigarettes, Be Careful what You Wish for. Because You just Might Get It.
I don't use cannabis anymore, but I do recognize that it does help a lot of people...so definitely good news.
You know, I’ve been so busy with my new position at work that I haven’t been able to post here, and just a couple of weeks ago I bought a new juice for my MiPod. It’s one of those rather “new” juices with a specific oil component 
and I noticed that it’s not allowed to talk about it here. It made me sad because I wanted to share my experience and hear about others. Also to know if I was wasting my money. 
and I noticed that it’s not allowed to talk about it here. It made me sad because I wanted to share my experience and hear about others. Also to know if I was wasting my money. 
Congratulations ECF you're doing a great thing here! Education is the best thing to do especially when there is so much uncertainty and people just trying things to see what happens.
I will be visiting this forum much more now and I'm sure there is a lot of people whom feel the same way!
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I will be visiting this forum much more now and I'm sure there is a lot of people whom feel the same way!
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Post #35 on this thread (links to reddit article) is reason why I would strongly suggest not going in this direction on ECF.
Whatever was truly the wild west days of eCigs and nicotine (circa 2011), the cannabis situation makes that look like we always had our act together. Read that reddit post. While it notes that black market's desire to increasingly cut the product (by adding thickeners) is what is (very) likely the reason for recent deaths, the reddit post makes it clear that even some legit operations are doing business unethically. But of course, they likely don't see it that way. So one of them comes into this forum and offers their "expertise" and suddenly a whole lot of people are doing things that have zero to do with harm reduction, and everything to do with, how can I get my fix, based on info from a 'trusted' source.
With that said, perhaps it could work even while I currently see it as a crapshoot. I generally try to accept changes on sites I visit, and just see it as a challenge to adapt to the new way that mods/admin want to go. But I agree with first response in this thread, you are opening a can of worms.
And with that said, I'll just add that I've been pro-legalization for all of my adult life. I have very little tolerance for detractors on this topic, and have never heard any points on the other side that make me budge from my position. I am also a smoker of flower and enjoy using for various reason. I've tried vaping, but given that reddit article, I see it as highly foolish to vape cannabis unless one is for sure getting product directly from a legal, licensed distributor. Not mailed to them, but going in and getting it. I'm pretty sure you couldn't pay me money to regularly vape product that I had no idea where it came from. It would take all states in US making it legal, and lots of licensed distributors for me to rethink that position. And yet, I'll continue to purchase flower from the black market since I live in a state where it is not currently legal. May sound a bit foolish or hypocritical, but again, that reddit post brings this up as well.
Whatever was truly the wild west days of eCigs and nicotine (circa 2011), the cannabis situation makes that look like we always had our act together. Read that reddit post. While it notes that black market's desire to increasingly cut the product (by adding thickeners) is what is (very) likely the reason for recent deaths, the reddit post makes it clear that even some legit operations are doing business unethically. But of course, they likely don't see it that way. So one of them comes into this forum and offers their "expertise" and suddenly a whole lot of people are doing things that have zero to do with harm reduction, and everything to do with, how can I get my fix, based on info from a 'trusted' source.
With that said, perhaps it could work even while I currently see it as a crapshoot. I generally try to accept changes on sites I visit, and just see it as a challenge to adapt to the new way that mods/admin want to go. But I agree with first response in this thread, you are opening a can of worms.
And with that said, I'll just add that I've been pro-legalization for all of my adult life. I have very little tolerance for detractors on this topic, and have never heard any points on the other side that make me budge from my position. I am also a smoker of flower and enjoy using for various reason. I've tried vaping, but given that reddit article, I see it as highly foolish to vape cannabis unless one is for sure getting product directly from a legal, licensed distributor. Not mailed to them, but going in and getting it. I'm pretty sure you couldn't pay me money to regularly vape product that I had no idea where it came from. It would take all states in US making it legal, and lots of licensed distributors for me to rethink that position. And yet, I'll continue to purchase flower from the black market since I live in a state where it is not currently legal. May sound a bit foolish or hypocritical, but again, that reddit post brings this up as well.
Thank you ECF!!!! I understand the previous reasons distancing the two markets but in the situation we are in everyone needs to be informed. I did not realize THC vape cartridges were not made with vg/pg. I'm positive if we had an open forum before today I would have been educated on this. I am eager to learn about the "dark side"
Glad yall are doing this classy, I've probably butted heads with you once or twice over the years on this topic but I've always felt the inability to discuss this wasn't helping anyone. I just hope it makes a difference bc it's a mess out there.
Personally I do smoke herb & have recreationally all my life, I never drink, take drugs or any of that so it's just thc, caffeine & nicotine for me... Where I live it is decriminalized and can be delivered to your door like a pizza, & I won't say I don't use it recreationally but I've found it to help immensely with both my back injury (enabled me to get off addictive pain meds) & helps with my insomnia (I use indica heavy hybrids). They have the cartridges here but due to the price and lack of information on strain etc. I've never personally tried one or wanted to, so I have no insight on that. I use an atomizer / mod that basically combusts ground up flower slowly at low heat which is as close as I've probably come to vaping herb. I do, however have a lot of experience with combusting it including in atomizers & would be happy to answer any questions on what devices to use.
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Personally I do smoke herb & have recreationally all my life, I never drink, take drugs or any of that so it's just thc, caffeine & nicotine for me... Where I live it is decriminalized and can be delivered to your door like a pizza, & I won't say I don't use it recreationally but I've found it to help immensely with both my back injury (enabled me to get off addictive pain meds) & helps with my insomnia (I use indica heavy hybrids). They have the cartridges here but due to the price and lack of information on strain etc. I've never personally tried one or wanted to, so I have no insight on that. I use an atomizer / mod that basically combusts ground up flower slowly at low heat which is as close as I've probably come to vaping herb. I do, however have a lot of experience with combusting it including in atomizers & would be happy to answer any questions on what devices to use.
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Humanity, the more things change the more they stay the same...
As a business you need to have a "Vision". Some businesses change their vision and they are successful, some aren't. Some change because they aren't successful with their original vision. Sometime business change their vision to help more people and sometimes they do it for greed. Something a business owner(s) must decide and accept corresponding ethics and risks.
Do you want a one stop shop for everything you buy/use or do you want higher quality and sometimes shop at specially stores to get higher quality product? Same is applicable to researching knowledge. What do you want? Assuming you actually know what you want! Humanity, in general, has been very delusional historically in deciding this.
Giving advice whether medical, scientific or friendly can be very helpful or harmful to others. To legally give medical advice you must be licensed. But by current definition scientific is far more dangerous because of potential unknown risks which, if disclosed and mutually accepted has been and is ethical with enough peers agreeing.
We are in a transition period from the scientific part of gaining knowledge in vaping to (medical) use of different substances. Each substance and it's delivery should be treated individually. Some are similar and safe using the same amounts and delivery method, some are not as safe.
Growing and smoking tobacco, somewhat safe if done responsibly (nicotine is poisonous).
Growing and smoking Mary Jane, probably somewhat safe if done responsibly ("probably" because I honestly don't know)
Growing grapes and making wine, somewhat safe if done responsibly (alcohol is poisonous)
Distilling said wine, somewhat safe if done responsibly but with more risk surrounding potential lack of knowledge in process(alcohol is poisonous)
Growing and eating coco leafs, somewhat safe if done responsibly (poisonous)
Extracting/concentrating coc aine, somewhat safe if medically necessary but with more risk and ethically decisive by licensed professionals only)
Fried chicken (oil), somewhat safe if done responsibly
What do you know about vaping glycerol? I think I know that like distilling it has been statistically not proven to be unsafe though unscientific use by many people for some amount of time. :"Not proven to be unsafe" is different than "proven to be safe"). Distilling alcohol has millions more statistical 'N" over a much longer time-frame.
Oral steroids, like prednisone, can and do relief arthritic symptoms but cause significant liver damage over time can and has lead to many deaths. Ethically acceptable.
We all take risks every day with varying amounts of knowledge about those risks whether individually or societyly known.
Government decides our ethics and sometimes it's good for all and sometimes is not. Rarely (never?) is it great for everyone. But government is necessary for long term humanity survival (arguable).
But you decide your morality, do the best you can.
Seek knowledge and pray for wisdom.
I think I want to die being shot by a jealous husband that's a perfect shot ; )
The Hillbilly
As a business you need to have a "Vision". Some businesses change their vision and they are successful, some aren't. Some change because they aren't successful with their original vision. Sometime business change their vision to help more people and sometimes they do it for greed. Something a business owner(s) must decide and accept corresponding ethics and risks.
Do you want a one stop shop for everything you buy/use or do you want higher quality and sometimes shop at specially stores to get higher quality product? Same is applicable to researching knowledge. What do you want? Assuming you actually know what you want! Humanity, in general, has been very delusional historically in deciding this.
Giving advice whether medical, scientific or friendly can be very helpful or harmful to others. To legally give medical advice you must be licensed. But by current definition scientific is far more dangerous because of potential unknown risks which, if disclosed and mutually accepted has been and is ethical with enough peers agreeing.
We are in a transition period from the scientific part of gaining knowledge in vaping to (medical) use of different substances. Each substance and it's delivery should be treated individually. Some are similar and safe using the same amounts and delivery method, some are not as safe.
Growing and smoking tobacco, somewhat safe if done responsibly (nicotine is poisonous).
Growing and smoking Mary Jane, probably somewhat safe if done responsibly ("probably" because I honestly don't know)
Growing grapes and making wine, somewhat safe if done responsibly (alcohol is poisonous)
Distilling said wine, somewhat safe if done responsibly but with more risk surrounding potential lack of knowledge in process(alcohol is poisonous)
Growing and eating coco leafs, somewhat safe if done responsibly (poisonous)
Extracting/concentrating coc aine, somewhat safe if medically necessary but with more risk and ethically decisive by licensed professionals only)
Fried chicken (oil), somewhat safe if done responsibly
What do you know about vaping glycerol? I think I know that like distilling it has been statistically not proven to be unsafe though unscientific use by many people for some amount of time. :"Not proven to be unsafe" is different than "proven to be safe"). Distilling alcohol has millions more statistical 'N" over a much longer time-frame.
Oral steroids, like prednisone, can and do relief arthritic symptoms but cause significant liver damage over time can and has lead to many deaths. Ethically acceptable.
We all take risks every day with varying amounts of knowledge about those risks whether individually or societyly known.
Government decides our ethics and sometimes it's good for all and sometimes is not. Rarely (never?) is it great for everyone. But government is necessary for long term humanity survival (arguable).
But you decide your morality, do the best you can.
Seek knowledge and pray for wisdom.
I think I want to die being shot by a jealous husband that's a perfect shot ; )
The Hillbilly
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