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This might be better discussed Outside as to why a bombarded, punch-drunk electorate votes self serving psychopaths into office.
True, but I kind of think that after the years of it being verbotten on ECF, the ship may well have sailed for any part of ECF to be a meaningful and responsible forum for Cannabis and related topics. Surely there are other forums that already have the history, membership expertise, archives, and reference posts/materials to better serve people interested in this topic. Would it not be a more responsible option to simply have links to few such places (perhaps vetted by trusted members or something)?
I just checked my local CBD store, sublingual CBD uses hemp oil to suspend the CBD. Their vape "oil" uses CBD isolate suspended in PG/VG. So here is the problem. The term oil, so someone that does not understand like myself, that vape oil has no oil and thinks ok why not vape full spectrum CBD oil and ends up killing themself. Why did vape "oil" ever get called oil? Why not CBD vape juice or liquid?
Yes well that's part of the problem, there are full spectrum CBD vape 'oils' but they are not usually mixed with PG and VG. So, I'm am unsure how they work and if it is actually dangerous.
For what it is worth and to be following the forum, I'll offer a post.
I was an excessive recreational user in my college years (too many years of that). That began 50 years ago and went on for a 5 or 6 years. While such is offered as relatively benign, my experience was otherwise. So much for that.
I recently vaped near a gram of CBD Isolate mixed into VG with nicotine. I have rheumatoid arthritis and thought it might be useful for pains. The thought was that constant input at a relatively low level might be helpful. I was vaping about 50mg day of CBD and about 80 mg.day of nicotine.
It seemed to be helpful. However there were two concerns. One was that I was taking and changing other medicaitons at the time (and still do). I believe the CDB exacaberated a bit of disorientation and detachment (for lack of better terms) that may have been inherant in other medications. This was nothing like the 'active ingreedient' nor anywhere near as pronounced. Second and clearly in my case, CDB brought on fatigue. This is mentioned in literature 'for some people' quite a bit. I suspect if may be more than 'some people.'
While still in testing mode of my 1st gram, I purchased 5 more grams, an inexpensive, but sensitive scale and a cooking thermometer. It seems just about mandatory that mixing CBD requires melting it and mixing with heated VG. Others may have differing methods. In any event, after sensing the 'disorientation,' (sort of a mental thing) I did not continue with the CBD vaping. The 5 grams remains in its sealed container...the scale and the thermometer unused. I've moved on from medications I was taking at that time. I might go back at some time and do some more testing, but am hesitant to open the 5 grams per lessening its possible resale value. I think I have a couple of ml of the original in a bottle around somewhere.
I have no intention of getting into recreation use via vaping. That's not per the recent lung concerns, but rather enduring conditions in my psychiatric condition. As things are now, I'm 99% pain free and mostly free of other markers of rheumatoid arthritis. Thank goodness I'm off prednisone now and have lost 20 or more pounds that I had put on.
The CBD I used was from 'pure isolate.' If I experiment again, I might be interested in 'clean' broad spectrum powder to mix for vaping. If some have experience with both CBD isolate and broad spetrum powder, I'd like to hear about it and comparisons.
I haven't read all in this topic and hope I haven't violated any ECF protocols...I might find out when I click, "Post Reply." ; ) I'm not interested in arguement, just sharing experience and wanting to learn a bit.
I was an excessive recreational user in my college years (too many years of that). That began 50 years ago and went on for a 5 or 6 years. While such is offered as relatively benign, my experience was otherwise. So much for that.
I recently vaped near a gram of CBD Isolate mixed into VG with nicotine. I have rheumatoid arthritis and thought it might be useful for pains. The thought was that constant input at a relatively low level might be helpful. I was vaping about 50mg day of CBD and about 80 mg.day of nicotine.
It seemed to be helpful. However there were two concerns. One was that I was taking and changing other medicaitons at the time (and still do). I believe the CDB exacaberated a bit of disorientation and detachment (for lack of better terms) that may have been inherant in other medications. This was nothing like the 'active ingreedient' nor anywhere near as pronounced. Second and clearly in my case, CDB brought on fatigue. This is mentioned in literature 'for some people' quite a bit. I suspect if may be more than 'some people.'
While still in testing mode of my 1st gram, I purchased 5 more grams, an inexpensive, but sensitive scale and a cooking thermometer. It seems just about mandatory that mixing CBD requires melting it and mixing with heated VG. Others may have differing methods. In any event, after sensing the 'disorientation,' (sort of a mental thing) I did not continue with the CBD vaping. The 5 grams remains in its sealed container...the scale and the thermometer unused. I've moved on from medications I was taking at that time. I might go back at some time and do some more testing, but am hesitant to open the 5 grams per lessening its possible resale value. I think I have a couple of ml of the original in a bottle around somewhere.
I have no intention of getting into recreation use via vaping. That's not per the recent lung concerns, but rather enduring conditions in my psychiatric condition. As things are now, I'm 99% pain free and mostly free of other markers of rheumatoid arthritis. Thank goodness I'm off prednisone now and have lost 20 or more pounds that I had put on.
The CBD I used was from 'pure isolate.' If I experiment again, I might be interested in 'clean' broad spectrum powder to mix for vaping. If some have experience with both CBD isolate and broad spetrum powder, I'd like to hear about it and comparisons.
I haven't read all in this topic and hope I haven't violated any ECF protocols...I might find out when I click, "Post Reply." ; ) I'm not interested in arguement, just sharing experience and wanting to learn a bit.
Why did vape manufacturers start using the term "electronic cigarette" for a vapor device? In hindsight, that term has caused a lot of problems over the years.
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PS For what is it worth, I understand that CBD isolate is 'oil soluble,' and not water soluble. The mixture of CBD isolate and VG does not create a 'solution,' rather a 'suspension.' Others may know more or better.
I may have been one of those elders. I was just a step or two behind you. I now vape in the extremely low 0.5 ohm range. You CAN teach an old dog new tricks.
NOW - This has nothing to do with "Cannabis" itself being use . . ."Elder" Here ! ! ! ! Learning New Things Every Day . . . And - Still AM . . . (I've even tried sub-oHm to no effect) . . . However, I am Not about banishing anyone, particularly when "Sub-oHm" became the NEW FAD . . . BUT - As a result - IMO- isn't Sub-oHm'ing actually just one of the issues that started a major problem with uneducated youth/newbies, especially when it became missed use by so many and enticed so many younger people as being a "Cool" thing and something popular to use/do to get attention . Inhale More - Make BIgger Clouds - then post a Video on social media to show everyone what "You" can do/how big of a cloud can Ya' make/smoke rings/do tricks, etc.
AND - IMO - Weren't these actions actually being promoted more specifically to all of those with a "Younger" mindset. Particularly Men - "I'm A Man & can entice young sexy Women with bigger better MODS/Cloud production . . . Think the "Nerd" or 50+ Old Man driving a Sportscar trying to impress someone . . . Oh WOW - Look at how many people "Like" Me . . . Just a thought and something to think about . . .
IMHO - Not as much - as you might or would like believe at times, including the manufacturers who keep producing sub-oHm products . There are more times then not there is a call from a vast majority of people, throughout ECF, for more MTL products . . . I'm one of them and a Very Proud - TOOTLE PUFFER - here . . . Just Sayin' . . .
As I said before in another thread,
IMHO - it's not just educating people about what "Vaping" actually is, for, and what can/can't - should/shouldn't be inhaled using any e-cig equipment [Adding - including CBD/THC] . . . I truly think "We" NEED to also hold some of the "manufactures" to task when it comes to creating new products today and promoting the use of both products in their equipment too . . . Just Sayin' . . . 
After doing just a bit of searching of CBD vape products, honestly I would not use any of them. I don't trust the ingredients to vape. If even dispensaries were adding Vit E, this is really a mess. I think I'll stick with the old way, CBD under the tongue and THC brownies LOL
Personally - IMHO - I's not going to stop . . . For decades, many people have tried to keep "Stuff" from other people for their own good and for there own personal reason (be it religious/health/societal/control over the masses) . . . And look how well that has worked out . . . Prohibition for one . . . Besides - all the other "Drugs" both legal/illegal (including a number that are banned from being discussed on ECF), Alcohol, Sex Workers, etc. . . . And - More specifically, any and all Tobacco products and Vaping nicotine infused e-liquid as a smoking cessation alternative . . . AND - When it comes to banning any/all products from youth - well look at how good that has worked already, especially if they are determined to try/do it themselves . . . HEY - even as a young man I did, Alcohol/Smoking/Drugs/etc. Just Sayin' . . .
I've been reading up on CBD for a few months now on behalf of my wife. One thing I discovered is that the absorption rate is 50% through vaping, and 20% through dripping it under your tongue. Given its cost that's a big deal.
I also looked for discussion forums and couldn't find anything like ECF. My information about the absorption rate may not even be correct. A high quality forum would be a boon for a lot of people.
As to why it should happen as part of ECF rather than something separate, there are just so many commonalities that it makes sense to me.
@Uncle , I think that I agree with you.
I was a Tootle Puffer for years, too. When I worked at the vape shop I became more exposed to DL sub-ohm vaping when learning how to rebuild for a mech mod, and I now vape subohm 0.5 ohms exclusively. But in no way am I a cloud chaser. I was always uncomfortable when the vape shop sponsored cloud chasing contests for prizes. Contest participants were always younger adult males.
Contests or cloud chading in general was not why I originally took up vaping, and I believed management had forgotten the reason why most cigarette smokers had taken up vaping to quit. I saw cloud chasing contests like juvenile pissing contests to see who could piss the farthest. However, management said contests were good for business and that I was being too judgemental.
So I try not to be too judgemental in how someone chooses to vape as long as it is reasonably safe.
I was a Tootle Puffer for years, too. When I worked at the vape shop I became more exposed to DL sub-ohm vaping when learning how to rebuild for a mech mod, and I now vape subohm 0.5 ohms exclusively. But in no way am I a cloud chaser. I was always uncomfortable when the vape shop sponsored cloud chasing contests for prizes. Contest participants were always younger adult males.
Contests or cloud chading in general was not why I originally took up vaping, and I believed management had forgotten the reason why most cigarette smokers had taken up vaping to quit. I saw cloud chasing contests like juvenile pissing contests to see who could piss the farthest. However, management said contests were good for business and that I was being too judgemental.
So I try not to be too judgemental in how someone chooses to vape as long as it is reasonably safe.
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Wow, I applaud this decision!
It is the media and the authorities that are misleading and conflating the two, and I believe it is in the best interest of this forum and the vaping community to set the record straight. Because this whole issue is causing harm to regular nicotine vapers, by placing the blame on the entire vaping community. This threatens the entire vaping community, as there are many who would like to ban everything related to vaping.
I found this article which talks about some of the counterfeit THC cartridges that are around.
I have nothing against cannabis, and I do use it from time to time, but I have always stayed away from these counterfeit carts, even long before the current hysteria happened. When I do partake, I just use the regular flower, just like the hippies in the sixties used, though I suppose its a bit more potent these days. I vape the flowers using a dry vape device.
Counterfeit Weed Vape Cartridges Are Everywhere — and They’re Making People Sick
It is the media and the authorities that are misleading and conflating the two, and I believe it is in the best interest of this forum and the vaping community to set the record straight. Because this whole issue is causing harm to regular nicotine vapers, by placing the blame on the entire vaping community. This threatens the entire vaping community, as there are many who would like to ban everything related to vaping.
I found this article which talks about some of the counterfeit THC cartridges that are around.
I have nothing against cannabis, and I do use it from time to time, but I have always stayed away from these counterfeit carts, even long before the current hysteria happened. When I do partake, I just use the regular flower, just like the hippies in the sixties used, though I suppose its a bit more potent these days. I vape the flowers using a dry vape device.
Counterfeit Weed Vape Cartridges Are Everywhere — and They’re Making People Sick
Has she tried isolate under the tongue with out suspension solutions? You can by pure isolate in powder form.
That may have been during the early days of vaping when some mech mods or Provari V2 used button top cells that couldn't take the amperage needed to drive low resistance. I remember when 2 ohms was considered low resistance. Anything under an ohm was considered to be unsafe. Times change and tech advances.
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