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Tinkiegrrl

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A slick looking website does not a reputable company make. I don't know what's wrong with mom and pop, American entrpeneurs personally. I like to support the smaller businesses. Especially those that get multitudes of positive reviews on forums such as this. Once in a while, yes, you may get a paid sponsor review on something, but negative comments aren't being deleted as far as I know. I'm sure that a glowing post of a vendor where many people had a negative experience would collect a great deal of negative comments here. Were you burned in the past OP? Credit card info stolen or something?
 

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Guys stop pushing off brands to new members. When I started I bought an "EVOD" kit on "Sale" thinking it was a Kanger EVOD. the threads were bad, the battery wouldn't close properly and die. So only standard reputable equipment as I have no idea how to know what is junk or not from China. I am sure Kanger and Inokin are made in China as well, however its a brand and they monitor the quality.

China quality is fine, I am an Engineer and we used to buy Agilent GCMS from them - so not dissing China here; However companies which are based there ARE NOT REGULATED. if they kill you, there is NO consequence as to the best of my knowledge they lack the regulatory systems and the judicial oversight - the only oversight is the Brand, and that is it. so you want me to INHALE something made in China? would you let you pediatrician inject your child with a medicine made in china ? if you do you are out of your mind.

Is my "mod" bad? Subdivisions thinks not and its working. I will probably get the Inokin VV sometime but that's beside the point .
 

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A slick looking website does not a reputable company make. I don't know what's wrong with mom and pop, American entrpeneurs personally. I like to support the smaller businesses. Especially those that get multitudes of positive reviews on forums such as this. Once in a while, yes, you may get a paid sponsor review on something, but negative comments aren't being deleted as far as I know. I'm sure that a glowing post of a vendor where many people had a negative experience would collect a great deal of negative comments here. Were you burned in the past OP? Credit card info stolen or something?

Not to that extent. I will try moms and pops and I still buy here and then from the local shops, but that's not relevant to this thread. My limit is when a company does not post their physical address.
 

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As mentioned, devices, tanks, cartos, voltage/wattage. top vs bottom coils, etc... all can all affect flavors differently. The trick is to find the combination that fits YOUR taste the most, and often takes a bit of experimentation (IMHO). My wife and I quit smoking together, and have spent a fair amount of money on mods, tanks, and juices that keep us off of the analogs. We both smoked the same brand of analogs, but we bot have very different tastes in juices. An example is: since I couldn't find a tobacco flavor I liked at all, ended up favoring drink flavored juices; cola, mountain dew, coffee flavors, etc. as my daily juices. Wifey likes more sweeter juices like dessert flavors such as Unicorn Poop from Vapor Chef, or a sweetened Iced Coffee flavors. We even prefer different tanks styles (she prefers top-coil tanks like the iClears while I prefer bottom coils like the ProTanks; each of which alters the flavor of the same juice).

The point is, while you may not find exactly what you're looking for in a tobacco flavor, there are literally millions of flavors, strengths, etc. that could keep you off the analogs. My own opinion/suggestion would be to find an inexpensive mod like a Vamo and a few different tank/atty/carto styles until you find the "vape experience" you like best, then start expanding out into different flavors. ...at least, that's what wifey and I did, and neither of us have even had a desire to go back to analogs since. And try not to rule out a drastic change in flavor; you will most likely find a flavor that "fills your analog void" in a flavor that you may not expect (wife's Unicorn Poop, for instance).

I've also not found a juice provider that hasn't offered some sort of sample size bottle of juice to try out before you spend more $$ on a 30 or 60ml size; if they have an on-line presence, that is. We have lots of B&M vape stores in the metro Atlanta area, and I haven't been to one yet that hasn't had some sort of tasting bar, also... so look around, even if it means driving a little further to get to one that does have a taste-bar; the extra miles will pay off when you find the right juice for you.

I, also, +1 ECBlends. Some of my favorite flavors come from him; he makes one of the best cola flavors I've tasted. The moral here is, just because a vendor may be a "one-man-shop" doesn't necessarily mean their quality is less; often times, it's better than what you'd get from larger vendors. So, IMHO, you shouldn't rule them out just because they're a small vendor; plus, you'd be supporting small business as opposed to some large corporation who's goal is to eliminate the "small guy".

Sorry for the rambling, I'm just sharing my opinion.
 
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As mentioned, devices, tanks, cartos, voltage/wattage. top vs bottom coils, etc... all can all affect flavors differently. The trick is to find the combination that fits YOUR taste the most, and often takes a bit of experimentation (IMHO). My wife and I quit smoking together, and have spent a fair amount of money on mods, tanks, and juices that keep us off of the analogs. We both smoked the same brand of analogs, but we bot have very different tastes in juices. An example is: since I couldn't find a tobacco flavor I liked at all, ended up favoring drink flavored juices; cola, mountain dew, coffee flavors, etc. as my daily juices. Wifey likes more sweeter juices like dessert flavors such as Unicorn Poop from Vapor Chef, or a sweetened Iced Coffee flavors. We even prefer different tanks styles (she prefers top-coil tanks like the iClears while I prefer bottom coils like the ProTanks; each of which alters the flavor of the same juice).

The point is, while you may not find exactly what you're looking for in a tobacco flavor, there are literally millions of flavors, strengths, etc. that could keep you off the analogs. My own opinion/suggestion would be to find an inexpensive mod like a Vamo and a few different tank/atty/carto styles until you find the "vape experience" you like best, then start expanding out into different flavors. ...at least, that's what wifey and I did, and neither of us have even had a desire to go back to analogs since. And try not to rule out a drastic change in flavor; you will most likely find a flavor that "fills your analog void" in a flavor that you may not expect (wife's Unicorn Poop, for instance).

I've also not found a juice provider that hasn't offered some sort of sample size bottle of juice to try out before you spend more $$ on a 30 or 60ml size; if they have an on-line presence, that is. We have lots of B&M vape stores in the metro Atlanta area, and I haven't been to one yet that hasn't had some sort of tasting bar, also... so look around, even if it means driving a little further to get to one that does have a taste-bar; the extra miles will pay off when you find the right juice for you.

I, also, +1 ECBlends. Some of my favorite flavors come from him; he makes one of the best cola flavors I've tasted. The moral here is, just because a vendor may be a "one-man-shop" doesn't necessarily mean their quality is less; often times, it's better than what you'd get from larger vendors. So, IMHO, you shouldn't rule them out just because they're a small vendor; plus, you'd be supporting small business as opposed to some large corporation who's goal is to eliminate the "small guy".

Sorry for the rambling, I'm just sharing my opinion.

Thanks - actually my wife is happy with PinaColada (gewald...) :) no doubt it is individual (although she only touches Halo); I don't dismiss micro manufacturers in the long run (specially if recommended by a vet)
 

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The closest you can come:

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Guys stop pushing off brands to new members...I am sure Kanger and Inokin are made in China as well, however its a brand and they monitor the quality.

China quality is fine, I am an Engineer and we used to buy Agilent GCMS from them - so not dissing China here...the only oversight is the Brand, and that is it. so you want me to INHALE something made in China?
No, I'd like to think you have the common sense to clean your equipment before you use it, rather than breathing in machine oil and residue from manufacturing processes. Also, as an engineer, I'm sure you have rudimentary knowledge of metallurgy, and similar basic knowledge of chemistry. You, being the smart consumer you clearly believe yourself to be, will take the time to research what needs to be done to prepare your equipment prior to each use, right? Like, say, you're worried about a mod with chrome plating on brass, you'll know how to remove surface lead should it appear, right? Because you looked into it before treating people with disdain when they disagree with you, of course. You also know that while your device may be putting out, say, 7.6 watts, that might be exactly your issue with flavor, before ignoring any opinions saying that it's not a perfect temperature. You already know that a high VG coconut vape tastes better at 6.5 watts on your 1.8ohm, and that others like coffee taste better at perhaps 9. Of course you know that some flavors taste terrible at the wrong temperature, and you looked into that before writing them off as inferior products.

Unless of course, you didn't know that, and you just plain like to be opinionated and offensive, in which case I'm sorry for wasting your time, making you read posts you clearly don't care about. Carry on vaping your breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the same temperature, because clearly if a juice requires fancier equipment than your $10 unregulated battery, it's not worth buying.

God bless America and all American craftsmanship! And rebranded Chinese goods at American prices!


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No, I'd like to think you have the common sense to clean your equipment before you use it, rather than breathing in machine oil and residue from manufacturing processes. Also, as an engineer, I'm sure you have rudimentary knowledge of metallurgy, and similar basic knowledge of chemistry. You, being the smart consumer you clearly believe yourself to be, will take the time to research what needs to be done to prepare your equipment prior to each use, right? Like, say, you're worried about a mod with chrome plating on brass, you'll know how to remove surface lead should it appear, right? Because you looked into it before treating people with disdain when they disagree with you, of course. You also know that while your device may be putting out, say, 7.6 watts, that might be exactly your issue with flavor, before ignoring any opinions saying that it's not a perfect temperature. You already know that a high VG coconut vape tastes better at 6.5 watts on your 1.8ohm, and that others like coffee taste better at perhaps 9. Of course you know that some flavors taste terrible at the wrong temperature, and you looked into that before writing them off as inferior products.

Unless of course, you didn't know that, and you just plain like to be opinionated and offensive, in which case I'm sorry for wasting your time, making you read posts you clearly don't care about. Carry on vaping your breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the same temperature, because clearly if a juice requires fancier equipment than your $10 unregulated battery, it's not worth buying.

God bless America and all American craftsmanship! And rebranded Chinese goods at American prices!


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I did clean it. I even washed my (Real) Kangers. but you "Assumed" that I did not and instead of answering the question chose to write a lie.
I forgot to mention but the "EVOD" also leaked. Why are you offended? you call sticking a sticker on a piece of junk straight from Alibaba "Rebranding" ? I call it selling snake oil to globule newbies. Most of the comments here are great, cannot say that about yours. I realize you guys are having a ball with the lack of regulations, but if you take it too far it will screw us all in the long run.
 

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people here on ECF are only trying to help ... finding suitable juices is going to be the hardest void to fill with vaping.

DIY eLiquid may be what ultimately does it for you ... DIY is exactly what I think you should look into :2cool:

I was actually thinking about it (while browsing gthe DIY section) and I will eventually do that for sure (order the flavors separately, 230ml base bottle ... it will save me money as well). Its sounds like a must in the long run.
 

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I was actually thinking about it (while browsing gthe DIY section) and I will eventually do that for sure (order the flavors separately, 230ml base bottle ... it will save me money as well). Its sounds like a must in the long run.

It really is the way to go Aviz ... pickup some starter supplies then browse through some recipes and experiment with small samples.

Very rewarding and satisfying when you click with some success :2cool:
 

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Aviz - People are getting snappy because you came in angry at us all already. What do you mean by stop recommending brands? We recommend Kanger Evods and Innokin iTaste because most of Kanger's and Innokins stuff is decent. I'm sorry if you wound up with a knock off, or a genuine that was part of a bad batch. That is not our fault though. We know there is little to no regulation in China. We only have Chinese brands to recommend though, unless we start pushing every new vaper into buying a $200 Provari. That price tag is going to scare a lot of people away. So, what do you mean by not recommending brands? Are we supposed to only give the specs of what should be a decent set up? A lot of people who come here wouldn't know what 650 mAh, variable volt, passthrough battery with a bottom coil, glass clearomizer means.
 

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Before you buy a lot of Innokin stuff, I would avoid their iClear 16 clearos. I have three, and while the taste is good they do leak. I wouldn't knock them all if only one leaked, but all 3 purchased from different vendors do, so that design of Innokins is a dud in my book. The iClear 30 is iffy. I have had great success with mine, and the only time it leaked was when the coil needed to be dry burned. Gunked up coils can cause a leak on ANY brands clearos.

The most hassle free clearo we have appears to be my husbands Kanger Mini Protank II's. They have not leaked or gurgled. I also like Innokins iClear 30 b and 16b. Slightly gurgly when the liquid is low, and I had a leak when a coil burned out (this is also normal for all coils), but phenomenal taste. Aspire BDC (bottom dual coils) are also normally very good. Again, all these companies are Chinese companies and sometimes, yes, quality control isn't there at the level you are used to. Sometimes bad batches get out there. We can not claim responsibility for them. We can only recommend what is normally a good product.

I have recently purchased some carto tanks from IBTanked. They are an American company and their tanks are American made. The cartos that go inside are Chinese, but I have yet to get a dud. Carto tanks, in my opinion, provide superior taste over all the clearos I tried. IBTanked tanks appear to be tough, and I have yet to spring a leak. Their site isn't as professional as you would like to see I'm sure, but I have three of there products and other here would vouch for them too. Customer service seems to be great. They ran out of a drip tip I selected, so they wrote me a handwritten note explaining that they refunded my money for it. They also provided me with a different drip tip, free of charge. I have no doubt that if you purchase a faulty product from them, they will make it right. This is just my experience purchasing from them. I am not an IBTanked rep or anything. They simply stand out in my mind for that customer service experience.
 

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Mt. Baker is my favorite juice vendor so far, but I'm not into tobacco juice, so I can't speak to that.

I would never knowingly buy juice from China. That's just asking for trouble, IMO. The gear, on the other hand...there's really no way around that.

I do boil all my new tanks before I use them. I would recommend that no matter where they're coming from.
 

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when i started vaping i dident know anything abought it i went to a b&m in my town there the staff was almost as new as i was.
i started out on a tobacco flavor "alpaca" was close to a camel that i smoked ..or thats what i thought it was a house blend..it was good for little while but then a month into vaping it started to taste bad..just as bad as a cig was..now in into FLAVORs and none of it is a tobacco flavor everyone is different i cant test a flavor at a shop and expect it to be the same when i put it in my tank because they test with cartos i hate cartos they mute the flavor so much IMO so of you peeps love em..thats why i DIY I do on ocassion buy a BRAND juice now n then only to copy it later..its tough to buy juice from someones opinion on how much they loved it
 

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You can also DIY your own Protank or Evod coils. All you need is Kanthal wire and cotton balls. As this is in its infancy here in the USA, much about vaping is DIY. Aside from the main body of a Protank coil head, if you wind your own coils and thread the wick yourself, you'll know where every part of it comes from. As an engineer, I'm sure you have a couple places that you would trust getting kanthal wire from? Further, DIY coils tend to produce much better flavor then any stock coil.
 

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First, I would like to thank Tinkiegrrl for the link to Spinfuel, what a great online mag. Some interesting reviews/articles.

Aviz, not all knockoffs and clones are bad. PBusardo has done some very favorable reviews on Chinese clones. As the saying goes, don't knock it until you've tried it.

Back to your original question about juice. This article seems to hit on a juice from Johnson Creek that you may very well like. --> KILN HOUSE SILVERTHORN By Johnson Creek A quote from the article " It’s for the experienced Vaper who has spent their whole tenure in the lifestyle searching high and low for — and maybe by now even given up on finding — that perfect analog cigarette flavor replacement."
 

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First, I would like to thank Tinkiegrrl for the link to Spinfuel, what a great online mag. Some interesting reviews/articles.

Aviz, not all knockoffs and clones are bad. PBusardo has done some very favorable reviews on Chinese clones. As the saying goes, don't knock it until you've tried it.

Back to your original question about juice. This article seems to hit on a juice from Johnson Creek that you may very well like. --> KILN HOUSE SILVERTHORN By Johnson Creek A quote from the article " It’s for the experienced Vaper who has spent their whole tenure in the lifestyle searching high and low for — and maybe by now even given up on finding — that perfect analog cigarette flavor replacement."

No problem. I think they're more helpful with juice reviews then others, as multiple people try it on multiple devices. They drip, use rebuildables, use clearos and cartos....
 

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Ive tried the B&M stuff eehhhh .... And there is Heathers Heavenly Vapes most definately!! Very impressive juices, you can get it in all VG or even 10% divisions in PG/VG blends 10/90, 20/80 etc... they even go up to 36 nic level. and the pricing is pretty good to. A 100ml bottle runs about 40$ plus shipping.(4$)
 
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