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Can't believe it, I think cigarettes are the WORST thing ever now...

Discussion in 'Smokeless tobacco' started by nicotineisbomb, May 4, 2018.

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  1. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    zoidman, I struggled for a long time too. I started with two 510 cigalike kits which was about all that was available back then. I moved from that to making my own box mods, to buying the early mods like the screwdriver and prodigy. Even with the prodigy running two batteries and 36mg liquid, I still wasn't satisfied. I put out a call for help and found out about Swedish snus. Back then there wasn't any American snus. My first reaction was that I didn't want to put tobacco in my mouth. I did a lot of reading about research on snus and found that most snus comes in small pouches called portions. I just can't do loose tobacco. I had felt myself sinking into depression and the first time I tried snus it was like someone turned on a light in a dark room. My stand on snus and WTA liquid is that if you can get off the cigarettes without it then do it. I would never recommend it to someone that doesn't need extra help. There are many misconceptions about Swedish snus and most people lump it into the same category as all smokeless tobacco.
     
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  2. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    It sounds like You and I traveled very Parallel roads in our journey to become Smoke Free. And I also needed to go to 36mg/mg to get over the Hump.

    I'll be Honest. I was about at the End of the Line when it came to Quitting Smoking. Because I had Smoked for So Long. And I would Joke with people and say that "Quitting Smoking is Easy. Hell, I've done it at least a Dozens Times." Then I would light another Cigarette.

    It's just Really Hard to tell some people when they are 19 just how :censored: Up life can be when you have a Monkey on your back that you Can't get rid off. And choices that are made Early On can have a way of haunting you later on.
     
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  3. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    So basically. as you said about snus, you chose the "Lesser of 2 Evils".
     
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  4. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Like Hitt, I basically started on Swedish snus. However, I started a few months after him, at the time Camel was coming out with their brand. I couldn't find snus anywhere so I ordered from Sweden. Right after I ordered, a local convenience store got Camel in so I bought a can. Also like Hitt, after the first portion, I found what I needed to stop smoking and never lit one up since. I didn't finish the Camel before my order arrived so the only times I've bought it since were if I forgot my travel can or if I wanted a sweet snus occasionally. I did buy a couple cans of the new Skoal snus to try and it's a lot like Camel.

    I still order from Sweden for the most part; however, there are a few convenience stores in the area that now carry Swedish so I'll pick up a can or two of that locally, usually for the reason I pick up Camel, forgetting my travel can.
     
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  5. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    I'll take your word for it being the Lesser of 2 Evils.

    Myself, if Snus or Smoking were the Only 2 Options, I would probably Smoke.
     
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  6. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Exactly. NIB and I were talking about long term use of American brands, NOT Swedish brands which are prepared completely different. Go get you some Camel or Skoal brand Snus pouches, use those 24x7 for about about 6 months, and get back to me on your stomach condition. :)

    I will also add that they may not affect everyone the same. Both the Skoal Snus and the Commit Lozenges had that effect on me, and from searching the net, many others as well. I have never tried the Swedish stuff, so I cannot speak to it's effects, apparently they are much easier on the stomach.
     
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  7. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Go away fool. Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing.
     
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  8. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    My assumption would be that the sweetness they add would be the cause. I know for sure I couldn't use either of the US made as a permanent solution.
     
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  9. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Sounds like you Believe in Choice.

    That is, as long as people Choose what You like.
     
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  10. rothenbj

    rothenbj Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    You're the one coming into the smokeless section selling vaping as the only "safe" choice. You are clueless about what you are talking about so go away. You have no knowledge, just opinion. Vaping fanboys are seriously funny. Have a nice evening.
     
  11. sk25411

    sk25411 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 8, 2017
    San Diego, California
    Use snus all day for 2+ years (seriously, I only didn’t have one in while sleeping or eating), and tell me how your gums feel.

    It’s bad. This coming from a dipper of 18 or so years, it was on par in terms of harshness.

    Used general wintergreen, and mint/white/original when they were all out. Tried the camel/skoal, that stuff is NASTY to me.
     
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  12. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    I Never said Vaping was the only "safe" choice. Maybe you have a Reading Comprehension problem?

    I said that it Wouldn't be My choice. Because I tried it. And I Didn't Like it.

    If the OP wants to use Snus, I say go for it. Or if he wants to Smoke, he can Smoke. Or if he wants to try Vaping again, that's fine Also.

    He's an Adult. He can do what He Wants.
     
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  13. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Houston, TX
    Yeah I am not sure what ingredient caused it, but it did take a while for the issue to occur. Months of daily use, and happened both with the American Snus and the Lozenges. So I try to tell people of my experiences so that if they start getting symptoms, they then know the cause. If they don't then they can keep using it.

    I am telling you though, I have had stomach viruses and food poisoning and those cramps/pains were nothing compared to what these products did. Several times I half expected an alien baby to come bursting out any minute.

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  14. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Wait, did this thread get moved to the Outside or something? :eek:
     
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  15. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I think I would have felt that way too, before I quit smoking via vaping 4-1/2 years ago. But now, I really don't want to go back to smoking, so if smoking or snus were the only choice, I'd certainly give snus a try.
     
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  16. classwife

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  17. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I'm just curious, were those just regular nicotine lozenges or something else that you mentioned. I used to use stonewalls once in a while but they never gave me symptoms like that. I haven't tried the regular over the counter nicotine lozenges.
     
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  18. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    It was specifically these:

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  19. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Houston, TX
    OH slight correction on my earlier posts, it was NOT Skoal Snus that I used (I did use Long Cut Wintergreen Skoal for a long time with no issue, but I was spitting), it was Marlboro Snus that I used that gave me the problem. Along with the above pictured Commit Lozenges.

    Not sure if flavor matteres but I used the Cherry flavored lozenges and the mint Snus pictured below.

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  20. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Was the mint wintergreen flavored? I can't stand wintergreen and wouldn't be surprised if that was the problem. I haven't tried any Marlboro snus.
     
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