Can't shake the analogs... HELP!!!
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I might suggest you check out these Blog entry's by DVAP..... It explains in detail the missing piece in vaping that some of us still crave and why we struggle to get off analogs..... Some have supplemented their vaping with snus others like myself still smoke a few analogs per day.
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Thanks! - I downloaded the nic juice calc on the DIY site, so I guess I have just evolved to a DIY member.. well, as soon as I buy the syringes, empty bottles, etc. (I think I am going to need a bigger storage box for all my supplies now .. oh, well!)
oh....personally, I don't think my husband would rather I smoked than used those...switching from kissing an ashtray to kissing a spitoon would probably make him file divorce papers so fast my head would spin... HA! Besides.. being a girl, it would feel weird.
Thanks for clearing that up!!!
Yes, it does seem to be in majority a "guy" thing. But hey, if it works for ya, right on. At least you don't have to be a spitoon! As a gal, I'd feel weird using it as well.
Jade, the last time I checked, Drew had 60mg unflavored that you could use to mix with. Also, there are other options besides the snus. There is snuff and there are also stonewall and ariva dissolvables. There are several ladies here on the forum that use different types of smokeless alternatives. I wish you luck and hope that the increase in nicotine strength takes care of your cravings. I wish it had worked for me.
If 18 mg. makes you cough, I'm assuming you're using a PG-based juice. Consider trying an all-VG juice for comparison. VG is a lot less harsh.
Maybe you're expecting too much from yourself, and trying too hard. I know every time I thought about quitting, it made me want a cigarette that much more. It took me over 2 months to completely stop smoking. What worked for me was to just not worry about it. If I wanted a cigarette, I smoked one. After a few weeks, I was down from 3 packs per day, to about 5 cigarettes per day. They tasted awful, but I wanted them anyway.
I had to put in a little effort for that final push, going from a smoke every few days to none, but it was nothing extraordinary.
Good luck!
Try different juices, see if the TH is different from a differet vendor. I've found it IS, but that's just me maybe
Quasi is right btw - don't go faster in trying to quit than YOU can handle - we aren't all the same, we don't all work the same. Go at your OWN pace, not what you THINK you should be doing.
Try not to up your nic too far or too fast - it might make you feel worse, even if you don't cough. Maybe try the different juice route first, and stop beating yourself up over a couple of cigs a day.
Quasi is right btw - don't go faster in trying to quit than YOU can handle - we aren't all the same, we don't all work the same. Go at your OWN pace, not what you THINK you should be doing.
Try not to up your nic too far or too fast - it might make you feel worse, even if you don't cough. Maybe try the different juice route first, and stop beating yourself up over a couple of cigs a day.
I suddenly had to quit last December due to health problems after smoking over 30 years. I got my first e-cig and supplemented it with the level three nicotine patch (really cheap if you buy wally worlds brand). Also, everytime I thought I would just "die" for a smoke, I drank a huge glass of water really fast. Can't believe it but it helped and also helped me to NOT gain any weight. Just make sure it isn't ice water or you will get a terrible brain freeze...good luck and don't be so down on yourself. We've all been through this...
you know i think if smoke enough of super strong 48mg vape it might knock you off your rocker and you will get to much nic and not even think about smokin thats what helped me. Not the straightest of lines but hey might work but like everyone says dont be hard on yourself its gonna suck! just keep up the good work and less and less everyday!
Did somebody already mention the smokeless forum? Full of people who don't get by on PVs alone but don't want analogs, either.
Snus in particular has btw been sufficiently studied to say that it is considerably more harmless than analogs. And many who use it to supplement get by with a pouch or two a day with their PV. So you really might want to check out that option.
Snus in particular has btw been sufficiently studied to say that it is considerably more harmless than analogs. And many who use it to supplement get by with a pouch or two a day with their PV. So you really might want to check out that option.
When I bought my first pv (smoking everywhere gold) from a mall, it took me a couple of days to get used to it. After those 2 days, I completely quit analogs. I had smoked for 30 years previously The SE gold looks like a real cigarette by the way.
Sometimes though, the smoke output was not good enough and I felt myself wanting to go smoke an analog since I still had some in my car. I told myself no and smoked my ecig more. I also started playing mindgames with myself, making myself believe that all I had was the ecig.
I also would do my same routines as I would with a real ananlog like go outside to smoke and such. This lasted for a couple of weeks until I didn't have to anymore.
After about a month I really was not being satisfied with the smoking everywhere gold and was ready to start the real ones again. I then read a bunch of information on a dse901. Seemed like that was a good one with good vaper production so I ordered one. Once it arrived, I started using that and never looked back. It provided enough smoke that I didn't need a real cigarette. I do have to buy a new battery every now and then because they do start to loose their full life after about a month but I vape very often if not constantly.
So that is how I stopped. I really think that getting the right amount of smoke and throat hit will help you. The nicotine also helps the throat hit but you seem to have a high level of nicotine so maybe it's the amount of vapor production like it was for me.
Sometimes though, the smoke output was not good enough and I felt myself wanting to go smoke an analog since I still had some in my car. I told myself no and smoked my ecig more. I also started playing mindgames with myself, making myself believe that all I had was the ecig.
I also would do my same routines as I would with a real ananlog like go outside to smoke and such. This lasted for a couple of weeks until I didn't have to anymore.
After about a month I really was not being satisfied with the smoking everywhere gold and was ready to start the real ones again. I then read a bunch of information on a dse901. Seemed like that was a good one with good vaper production so I ordered one. Once it arrived, I started using that and never looked back. It provided enough smoke that I didn't need a real cigarette. I do have to buy a new battery every now and then because they do start to loose their full life after about a month but I vape very often if not constantly.
So that is how I stopped. I really think that getting the right amount of smoke and throat hit will help you. The nicotine also helps the throat hit but you seem to have a high level of nicotine so maybe it's the amount of vapor production like it was for me.
Hi Jade, don't feel alone or unique. Many of us go through similar problems when switching to PV's. It could be you just need a little higher nic or a newer, bigger, shinier fog machine. Lots of good folks here will help direct you in that, so let me focus on the other side of the story. Some of us need more than just nicotine to make it through the day and it goes far deeper than an addiction, it's a necessity to live a normal life.
When I switched to a PV after smoking for 31 years it was nothing short of miraculous. Throughout my life I've had problems with drug and alcohol abuse. After several stays in detox and rehab I finally became clean 5 years ago. Since then my cigarettes and coffee were the glue that held the lid on and I never iimagined not smoking until death. When I made the PV switch, it was a complete one and, even though I couldn't walk across the road to the mailbox without my PV, spare battery and a dripper bottle of nic, I was thrilled at my success. About a month after I quit smokes I started developing a craving that I couldn't shake. Long story short, I was vaping, on average, 54mg/ml nic with some weapons grade nic thrown in to stay off the smokes. I was getting plenty of nic for sure, but the only way I could keep the cravings in check was to vape myself to the point of a nauseating stupor. Also during this time I started experiencing signs of depression....loss of interests, loss of appetite, no motivation and not wanting to face the challenge of another day. And it only got worse with each day. During this time I got involved in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html. It was started by a man who not only was a long time vaper, but the inventor and maker of the "Screwdriver" PV and a buddy of Jason Cropper, the man who owns Totally Wicked. He was missing something, too. Through the course of the thread a few good minds got involved to investigate what it is so many are missing in PV's. The answer appeared to be the tobacco alkaloids that have maoi effects on the brain. These alkaloids are what bring on the relaxed, mind sweeping focus that we get from a cigarette. Not only that, but they act as antidepressants. In eliquid, these alkaloids are stripped, along with the nasties, from the nic. DVap took the time and expense to brew some eliquid that was pure, but still had the alkaloids intact, to test this theory. I was a volunteer for the test and within 24 hours of receiving my sample I was hungery, bored from sitting around and feeling more positive towards life. A complete turnaround. The only challenge was to stay that way. As an alternative I started using Swedish snus. This isn't dip or chew. It's tobacco in a small pouch that goes in your cheek, very discrete and no spitting. It contains the alkaloids that keep brain functions normal, no cravings and its safety has been proven in several studies. With over 250 years of use, the facts are proven. Many ladies on this forum also use it, so it's not just a guy thing. If you think the PV alone isn't going to let you leave the smokes behind, visit the Smokeless Tobacco section here on the forum and post some questions. Lots of good helpful folks there that have been in your shoes and were finally able to stop smoking, start living and enjoy the PV's much like how we always enjoyed cigarettes, only without the bad stuff.
When I switched to a PV after smoking for 31 years it was nothing short of miraculous. Throughout my life I've had problems with drug and alcohol abuse. After several stays in detox and rehab I finally became clean 5 years ago. Since then my cigarettes and coffee were the glue that held the lid on and I never iimagined not smoking until death. When I made the PV switch, it was a complete one and, even though I couldn't walk across the road to the mailbox without my PV, spare battery and a dripper bottle of nic, I was thrilled at my success. About a month after I quit smokes I started developing a craving that I couldn't shake. Long story short, I was vaping, on average, 54mg/ml nic with some weapons grade nic thrown in to stay off the smokes. I was getting plenty of nic for sure, but the only way I could keep the cravings in check was to vape myself to the point of a nauseating stupor. Also during this time I started experiencing signs of depression....loss of interests, loss of appetite, no motivation and not wanting to face the challenge of another day. And it only got worse with each day. During this time I got involved in this thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html. It was started by a man who not only was a long time vaper, but the inventor and maker of the "Screwdriver" PV and a buddy of Jason Cropper, the man who owns Totally Wicked. He was missing something, too. Through the course of the thread a few good minds got involved to investigate what it is so many are missing in PV's. The answer appeared to be the tobacco alkaloids that have maoi effects on the brain. These alkaloids are what bring on the relaxed, mind sweeping focus that we get from a cigarette. Not only that, but they act as antidepressants. In eliquid, these alkaloids are stripped, along with the nasties, from the nic. DVap took the time and expense to brew some eliquid that was pure, but still had the alkaloids intact, to test this theory. I was a volunteer for the test and within 24 hours of receiving my sample I was hungery, bored from sitting around and feeling more positive towards life. A complete turnaround. The only challenge was to stay that way. As an alternative I started using Swedish snus. This isn't dip or chew. It's tobacco in a small pouch that goes in your cheek, very discrete and no spitting. It contains the alkaloids that keep brain functions normal, no cravings and its safety has been proven in several studies. With over 250 years of use, the facts are proven. Many ladies on this forum also use it, so it's not just a guy thing. If you think the PV alone isn't going to let you leave the smokes behind, visit the Smokeless Tobacco section here on the forum and post some questions. Lots of good helpful folks there that have been in your shoes and were finally able to stop smoking, start living and enjoy the PV's much like how we always enjoyed cigarettes, only without the bad stuff
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Long message so I just quoted the part that spoke to me. My husband quit and said that nicotine withdrawal is nothing like the withdrawal you experience from the other chemicals in the cigs. So I am expecting it to be a little harder than I thought. I also have come off a serious addiction to drugs, I am not ashamed anymore since I have overcome it. I am two years clean off ....... and to me, cigarettes and alcohol are the final crutch and could send me into oblivion, which scares the hell outta me. So I never even made an effort to quit, no way did I wanna relapse. So I allowed myself this one thing, and now I cant take it anymore... My bronchials are irritated I get bronchitis almost once every year or two.. now is the time. I am so glad there are those on this forum who get it and can help me through the transition. It is AWESOME!
To the OP: sorry for getting so offtopic, it just dredged up some stuff. I am sure I will be right there with you struggling along. Plus they have made it a law to transition all cigs to Fire Safe. Which reallyyyy makes me wonder, they taste awful! but if we cant buy them we have no choice. However, (and I can get a little conspiracy theorist-like) I don't believe it is for fire safe purposes, but simply population control. None of us are that ignorant, are we? How many people any more do you hear of burning the house down from a smoke? Blah Blah, I will try to find more on it later, but I am telling you, they add the extra chemical to kill us faster. Afterall, the population of earth is reaching an upturn :/
I'm another one who found it difficult to get completely off cigarettes. I found it very difficult in my first months of vaping to figure out whether I was vaping too much or too little. And then trying to figure out why it only worked as long as I still smoked a few cigarettes per day.
I've been working for a while on notes to help new vapers who have similar problems and have finally posted them on this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-your-symptoms-while-adjusting-vaping.html. Those notes might be useful to some of the readers in this thread.
I've been working for a while on notes to help new vapers who have similar problems and have finally posted them on this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-your-symptoms-while-adjusting-vaping.html. Those notes might be useful to some of the readers in this thread.
I have been vaping for a month now.. did really well at first, didn't touch an analog. Recently, had a big ice storm and my power was out for days.. couldn't recharge my batts, so I bought analogs to get me by.. now I can't get off them!!! I only smoke about 4 a day, and I vape ALL DAY LONG.. I rarely put the PV down!
I currently vape 24mg.. do I need to up my mg to help me to break these analog chains?? It's really frustrating me!! Anyone else out there having the same problem, or can offer any good advice?
Thanks!!!
This was the very reason I very quickly ordered a car adapter! We were having horrendous wind storms and I just knew with no way to charge I'd be at the analogs in a heart beat.
Remember it will come in time- I am analog free (so far) but my husband hasn't gotten there yet. Everybody has their own time table. There really are other things in analogs that you have to kick besides nicotine.
Just don't give up, but don't beat yourself up if you have to have that smoke here and there.
You know, I am not so sure we have to kick it in the first place. I have had my share of anti-depressants in pill form, and to be very polite about it, they worked with varying success and had their share of side effects.
Like Twisted Victor, I kicked analogs very quickly, but got a really bad craving weeks later, with all the symptoms of depression and anxiety. Snus got me over that, too. Which means I now self-medicate with a most effective AD, which has far fewer side effects than any pill I ever took.
Give me one good reason why I should kick that. I can't think of any.
When I get a real bad craving at home I go brush my teeth. Sounds stupid I know but for some reason it works for me anyhow.
Don't be so hard on yourself. How long have you been vaping? It takes effort and increasing discipline. You are only smoking four a day. If you are craving one for most of the day, then up the nic as someone else mentioned. I started with 24mg and I could barely cope without ripping someones head off. I now recommend to get some 24mg and 36mg along with it to get started.
As far as as the power outage, maybe you could get a backup 12v supply with a cig outlet. Like a car jump box, flashlight combo, with cig outlet. I could have swore I have seen one of these. Just keep it charged.
You could also rig up a 12v dry cell with charger and connect your ecig charger wires directly to it. Most radio control hobby shops carry 12v dry cells and chargers. I have one of these rigs for weekend camping.
As far as as the power outage, maybe you could get a backup 12v supply with a cig outlet. Like a car jump box, flashlight combo, with cig outlet. I could have swore I have seen one of these. Just keep it charged.
You could also rig up a 12v dry cell with charger and connect your ecig charger wires directly to it. Most radio control hobby shops carry 12v dry cells and chargers. I have one of these rigs for weekend camping.
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