Can't shake the analogs... HELP!!!

[TWISTED VICTOR]

My husband quit and said that nicotine withdrawal is nothing like the withdrawal you experience from the other chemicals in the cigs. So I am expecting it to be a little harder than I thought. I also have come off a serious addiction to drugs, I am not ashamed anymore since I have overcome it. I am two years clean off ....... and to me, cigarettes and alcohol are the final crutch and could send me into oblivion, which scares the hell outta me. So I never even made an effort to quit, no way did I wanna relapse. So I allowed myself this one thing, and now I cant take it anymore... My bronchials are irritated I get bronchitis almost once every year or two.. now is the time. I am so glad there are those on this forum who get it and can help me through the transition. It is AWESOME!


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Whit, having been in your shoes, I had the same fears. It took over 20 years of misery (I entered rehab the first time when I was 21) to whitle it down to just the smokes and it's the one thing I felt I couldn't bear to walk away from. The PV made it almost easy, it just wasn't enough in the long run. I suspect, though I'll never know nor does it really matter, that as a newborn with problems that required me to undergo many surgeries between the ages of 6 months to 6 years, all the anesthetics and pain killers that were given to me played a good part in the future addiction problems. I've always and will always live with a certain amount of anxiety, and the depressive undertones are always willing to come out of it's hiding place. I've accepted that, but I won't live under its thumb. After leaving smokes behind and my body being unable to claim a normal mental balance, my choices were antidepressants or smokeless tobacco. Having gone through a long grocery list of antidepressants in the past, I wanted no part of the associated side-effects. I tried the Swedish snus and it didn't take long for the relaxation to set in. I'd challenge any smoker to enjoy a cigarette the way I can enjoy a PV while using snus. Not only do I get the same feeling of calm and a focused mind, but it goes a lot deeper than a cigarette can go. Satisfaction at it best. Keep this in mind if you struggle with your PV .

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I've been working for a while on notes to help new vapers who have similar problems and have finally posted them on this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-your-symptoms-while-adjusting-vaping.html. Those notes might be useful to some of the readers in this thread.

Mister, I read your notes and you have my endorsement . You obviously put alot of thought into them before posting and would be a great "sticky". A good eye-opener for new and old PV users .

 

[terrie1]

hmmmmm, OK I havent had to go the snus route yet so I guess I understand your point if thats the case for ya, just out of curiosity what is it that you arent getting with the Vaping that the snus is giving you if it isnt in raising the Nic im just curious ???

Tobacco, that's it.

 

[Vapist]

Most people I've spoken to take about 2 months roughly to move to vaping fulltime (myself included). I think there is definitely an adjustment period.

The best advice is to just stick to what you're doing for as long as it takes until you're ready to take the jump For me, it just kind of happened. It was totally non-committal for me, I just put out that last analog and that was that. Didn't have to force anything, but it took about a month and a half of vaping.

 

[Katattack]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this but the more you worry about something the more you think about it. If it's a habit the more you think about it the more you're likely to do it. Instead of beating yourself up over smoking a bit give yourself a pat on the back for effectively cutting back instead.

 

[Mister]

Mister, I read your notes and you have my endorsement . You obviously put alot of thought into them before posting and would be a great "sticky". A good eye-opener for new and old PV users .

Thanks friend! Your endorsement is special to me. Though we have some people with particularly difficult cigarette addiction on the forum, I think that you've had it especially bad, as hard as anyone aside from TropicalBob. (Whose tobacco substance need seems to be in a one-man universe of its own.) That the article rings true to you is good to hear.

 

[Brewster 59]

hmmmmm, OK I havent had to go the snus route yet so I guess I understand your point if thats the case for ya, just out of curiosity what is it that you arent getting with the Vaping that the snus is giving you if it isnt in raising the Nic im just curious ???

MOAIs and tob alkaloids that are not in ejuice. I actually like my snus better than vaping and I couldnt stand chewing tob, all I can say is it nice to only vape for pleasure and not be sucking on a pv constantly which I was until I started using snus.

I now only vape for pleasure and use about 1ml a day ohh and did I mention snus cost about 15 cents a portion which is way cheaper than vaping.

 

[AlexTM]

Well, that does depend on how you vape, of course, and what. I have both here, and I don't think the snus will be cheaper, but then, not much more expensive, either. Both significantly cheaper than analogs.

I stick to mainly PVs, taste is just better for me, and want my 2 portions of snus a day.

 

[Brewster 59]

Well, that does depend on how you vape, of course, and what. I have both here, and I don't think the snus will be cheaper, but then, not much more expensive, either. Both significantly cheaper than analogs.

I stick to mainly PVs, taste is just better for me, and want my 2 portions of snus a day.

Well your right in a way but if your only using 2 portions a day I dont see how it cant be cheaper than vaping. A portion costs me 15 cents a piece and I use 4 in a day I get mine at www.getsnus.com

 

[Vapoorer]

what i would try is just light up the cig but instead of smoking it put it down and let it burn in the ash tray and while that is burning vap.....(and i would increase my nic 1mg to 2mg every 2 days intill that cravings stop)because when i first started vaping i as nasty as it sounds i wanted to smell the smoke so after a few days from smell just the smoke and vaping at the same time i found that the smoke smelled bad to me and thats how i quit completly give it a try...or if you fell comfrotable increasing the nic a little more do that but dont go to high increase it intell you feel that your not geting anymore cravings,and if you try this i would also vap on yout favorite flavor...you will see after a few days that you will prefer the smell of the e cig rather then analog......

best of luck and dont be so hard on yourself ....


Angelos G...............

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

Thanks friend! Your endorsement is special to me. Though we have some people with particularly difficult cigarette addiction on the forum, I think that you've had it especially bad, as hard as anyone aside from TropicalBob. (Whose tobacco substance need seems to be in a one-man universe of its own.) That the article rings true to you is good to hear.

I think it's exceptionally hard for many of us, but having been a new vaper with uncovered "special needs", I'm aware of the stuggle to figure out what's going on and the "why isn't it working" answers. You've laid it out well. ............by the way... yeah, there does seem to be only one TB. The best ol' .... dog can't hold a candle to his pursuit .

 

[AlexTM]

Well your right in a way but if your only using 2 portions a day I dont see how it cant be cheaper than vaping. A portion costs me 15 cents a piece and I use 4 in a day I get mine at www.getsnus.com

Well, yes, but if I'd only snus or mainly snus I would not get by with 2 potions a day. And I pay about 5 Euros for a can, all in all, I think, and that's 20 Euro-cents or around 30 Dollar-cents for a potion.
Actually, if I'd vape low or none DIY liquid, I could get by even cheaper than that. I sure don't vape low or none, though.

 

[Haytoni]

I would just stay on your PV, don't know what you were smoking for analogs, but all of them now have a flame ......ant in them, to me they taste so diff, and burn faster, so much for the flame ....... Lots of luck, you can do it.

 

[dgriego]

oh.... personally, I don't think my husband would rather I smoked than used those...switching from kissing an ashtray to kissing a spitoon would probably make him file divorce papers so fast my head would spin... HA! Besides.. being a girl, it would feel weird.

Thanks for clearing that up!!!

It is nothing like chew. I use a Swedish snus, tastes like cinnamon. You do not have to spit and it does not make you smell or taste like a ashtray. There are minty ones and there are also tobacco ones. Most people on this forum use Swedish snus.
You might also try snuff, which is a tobacco product you sniff up your nose, and is also great for killing the “craving” monster.

Vaping has not been enough for me; the snuff combined with the vaping has helped me to give up smoking.

Maybe you do not care for either snuff or snus, in which case your only choice is to su stick with the vaping only, or continue to smoke.

I wish you all the best in your efforts regardless of what you decide. Good luck.

 

[dgriego]

I'm another one who found it difficult to get completely off cigarettes. I found it very difficult in my first months of vaping to figure out whether I was vaping too much or too little. And then trying to figure out why it only worked as long as I still smoked a few cigarettes per day.

I've been working for a while on notes to help new vapers who have similar problems and have finally posted them on this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-your-symptoms-while-adjusting-vaping.html. Those notes might be useful to some of the readers in this thread.

Great post on the symptoms Mister!


Everyone else
And I see I jumped in from the middle of the thread, just now noticed that multiple persons have already explained the snus so apologies for my previous post. It was not needed.

 

[a2dcovert]

I have been vaping for a month now.. did really well at first, didn't touch an analog. Recently, had a big ice storm and my power was out for days.. couldn't recharge my batts, so I bought analogs to get me by.. now I can't get off them!!! I only smoke about 4 a day, and I vape ALL DAY LONG.. I rarely put the PV down!

I currently vape 24mg.. do I need to up my mg to help me to break these analog chains?? It's really frustrating me!! Anyone else out there having the same problem, or can offer any good advice?

Thanks!!!

There has been a wealth of information suggested already so I really can't offer more than to let you know that you are not alone. A very large group of us have discovered that nicotine alone can't supply all the ingredients that smoking addicts are addicted to that are produced by burning tobacco. I suffered for 9 months before reaching out to members here for answers. You can try upping the nic in your PV but it may not do the trick for you.

I tried everything to no avail I just wasn't getting what my body was demanding. I know that this is an e-cigarette forum but the inconvenient truth is that nicotine isn't the only alkaloyd that smoking addicts are addicted to. For some like me the only answer was to go back to the source, tobacco, as in smokeless tobacco. Not the chew variety either, I'm talking about snus or snuff. These products can supply you with what is missing.

I do still vape a lot with my Prodigy, mostly 24mg juice, but I also add the snus or snuff to keep things rounded out. I just wish I could have found this out earily on in my crisis it would have saved me a lot of stress and pain. So, continue to vape but try adding something else to help you reach your goal.

I hope this helps.

 

[MalabarFront]

I personally don't do SNUS, but I do still have 2 analogues a day. I suspect it's the MAOIs and other chemicals that they add to tobacco that have other addictive properties other than the nicotine. If you've seen a list as to what's in tobacco, it is staggering.

You might consider Xyban/Wellbutrin/bupropion to take the edge off. I'm a (very) new user and I'm coming off very low nicotine cigs but I take buproprion and I haven't had any real urges.

(OK, I did have one just to see what my reaction would be and I was surprised how little difference it made to me. But then again I've only been vaping for 24 hours so maybe I'll learn differently later on.)

 

[motallero]

I still havent completely quit cigarettes yet, because I still do crave them and have one ocassioanly, but its not an addiction to other alkaloids or whatever its just psychological- getting a cloud with a short drag and the taste of real smoke. But really the longer the interval between each cigarette the more the smell nauseates me. It always nauseated me if I smelled it in the morning before I had one. Dont start a new habit i.e. snus. If you gotta have one when youre out drinking or for whatever reason- smoke one. Just try to keep it to one. Dont buy a pack. Give somebody a dollar for one lol. Try jogging or excercising, the improvement in your lung capacity should give you enough reason not to.

I have been vaping for a month now.. did really well at first, didn't touch an analog. Recently, had a big ice storm and my power was out for days.. couldn't recharge my batts, so I bought analogs to get me by.. now I can't get off them!!! I only smoke about 4 a day, and I vape ALL DAY LONG.. I rarely put the PV down!

I currently vape 24mg.. do I need to up my mg to help me to break these analog chains?? It's really frustrating me!! Anyone else out there having the same problem, or can offer any good advice?

Thanks!!!

 

[a2dcovert]

You might consider Xyban/Wellbutrin/bupropion to take the edge off. I'm a (very) new user and I'm coming off very low nicotine cigs but I take buproprion and I haven't had any real urges.

(OK, I did have one just to see what my reaction would be and I was surprised how little difference it made to me. But then again I've only been vaping for 24 hours so maybe I'll learn differently later on.)

I hope these continue to work for you. Wellbutrin and Chantix are anti-depressants designed to help replace the chemicals lost when you stop smoking. They have been successful for some.

The real problem with quitting smoking is the chemical imbalance that is caused by the loss of the alkaloyds. The medical community has tried to address this with those 2 products but they were not very successful. My hope is that they will keep trying and give us a product that really works for a lot more people.

 

[TWISTED VICTOR]

I still havent completely quit cigarettes yet, because I still do crave them and have one ocassioanly, but its not an addiction to other alkaloids or whatever its just psychological- getting a cloud with a short drag and the taste of real smoke. But really the longer the interval between each cigarette the more the smell nauseates me. It always nauseated me if I smelled it in the morning before I had one. Dont start a new habit i.e. snus. If you gotta have one when youre out drinking or for whatever reason- smoke one. Just try to keep it to one. Dont buy a pack. Give somebody a dollar for one lol. Try jogging or excercising, the improvement in your lung capacity should give you enough reason not to.

Please don't take offense motallero, but I think you misunderstand the reasons for snus/snuff use as well as the safety inherent to their use compared to cigarettes. Also, your reasoning leaves those who can't "have just one" at a loss. If you haven't, please read through the thread, but your intentions are very good .