Cartos, why have you forsaken me?

[Mindfield]

I hate this. I really do.

First, SmokTech, long my favourite cartos, particularly the duals on high amp mods, turn crap. Fine, so I switch to Boge. Now Boge seems to have turned crap -- most of my cartos are barely lasting a day before they start tasting raunchy. What the hell, Boge? smok? You guys used to be cool. Now you're just sucking.

I think I'm going to have to stick with Stardusts and Vivis for now. They're not perfect, they're not nice fill-and-forget systems, and while I do like them a lot, I just like the convenience of cartos in tanks to fill it and forget about it for the rest of the day a bit more.

Dammit.

 

[Hottody]

I'm vaping both and not having issues, but it's good to post these concerns as some of the big suppliers get too comfortable and start jacking around! It will hurt them in the long run if they are not carful in manufacturing!

 

[Cobber]

I've been noticing different results from cartos depending on where you get them.

 

[redmerc]

My Boges have been fine. I only use clear or light coloured juices though.

 

[chagrin]

Counterfeits

 

[ChellyNelly]

Yeah.... Apparently Boge cartos have changed, or so I have heard. I haven't had issues as of yet, or noticed any changes yet. I get mine from Canvape and no issues, but if the cartos did change then eventually Canvape too will have the "new" ones. We should all send Boge an email and complain. DON'T .... WITH MY BOGES!!!!!

 

[Mindfield]

Yeah.... Apparently Boge cartos have changed, or so I have heard. I haven't had issues as of yet, or noticed any changes yet. I get mine from Canvape and no issues, but if the cartos did change then eventually Canvape too will have the "new" ones. We should all send Boge an email and complain. DON'T .... WITH MY BOGES!!!!!

See, that's where mine came from. Thing is I'm not the only one complaining about the current batch(es) of Boges -- tons of people are. Look at Aerovaper's latest review for the E1 and E2 tanks, he complains about them there as well, and the "Bad batch of SmokTech" thread that's been going for a few months now also has people complaining about getting bag Boges more and more lately, since that's what everyone started switching to after the SmokTechs went bad.

It's frustrating because I've been a carto guy for over a year, and while I do really like some clearos as well, cartos have been a constant part of my arsenal, and now it seems like with the two majors turning to crap, there are no good cartos left. There are Kanger HBCs, but I find they don't give the flavour or TH of STs or Boges.

It's a damn good thing the latest Vision clearos are as good as they are or I'd be tearing my hair out.

 

[Projectguy]

See, that's where mine came from. Thing is I'm not the only one complaining about the current batch(es) of Boges -- tons of people are. Look at Aerovaper's latest review for the E1 and E2 tanks, he complains about them there as well, and the "Bad batch of SmokTech" thread that's been going for a few months now also has people complaining about getting bag Boges more and more lately, since that's what everyone started switching to after the SmokTechs went bad.

It's frustrating because I've been a carto guy for over a year, and while I do really like some clearos as well, cartos have been a constant part of my arsenal, and now it seems like with the two majors turning to crap, there are no good cartos left. There are Kanger HBCs, but I find they don't give the flavour or TH of STs or Boges.

It's a damn good thing the latest Vision clearos are as good as they are or I'd be tearing my hair out.

Has anyone asked (or demanded) an explanation from the suppliers ergo the manufacturers?

 

[Mindfield]

Has anyone asked (or demanded) an explanation from the suppliers ergo the manufacturers?

I have no idea, but I almost have to think so. There are too many people having purchased from too many different vendors that are complaining for the odds not to favour at least a few of those people complaining to their vendor, and at least one of those vendors passing along those complaints to their supplier.

It's enough to make me want to go out and design my own cartos and have them made locally. If had any idea how to do that. Or the capital with which to do so.

 

[MisterMike]

Well, poopcakes. I just ordered a bunch more Boges from Canvape.

Seeing as I'm usually on the miss side of hit-or-miss issues, this does not bode (Boge?) well. Does anyone know why this is happening? Raised quotas on production lines maybe?

 

[chagrin]

I have no idea, but I almost have to think so. There are too many people having purchased from too many different vendors that are complaining for the odds not to favour at least a few of those people complaining to their vendor, and at least one of those vendors passing along those complaints to their supplier.

It's enough to make me want to go out and design my own cartos and have them made locally. If had any idea how to do that. Or the capital with which to do so.

You also need an exploitable workforce.

Mindfield, this is probably a stupid question ... but if I've just started using boges is there an easy way to tell if they're not as good as they used to be ? From everything I've read, you sort of get used to the taste, draw, etc over time and I haven't done that yet. I just order the 25 for $23 USD from surevapes. Maybe I could post you a couple for an experiment.

Are you use using the new stardust 2.0s or whatever they're called with the replaceable heads ?

 

[Zooker]

I feel ya bro, and I have an enormous crapload of carto's sitting there all lonely-like because I'm disgusted with them. Been using Stardusts and Vivi Nova's almost 100% of the time now.

 

[Oriana871]

It has bothered me from the start that the Boge logo does not appear anywhere on the boxes or cartos. I just received 10 boxes and some of them don't even have the little white sticker on the individual cartos stating what resistance they are.

My guess is that they're being mass produced cheaply (cheaper than before). We should gather up complaints and write to the company.

 

[Mindfield]

Well, poopcakes. I just ordered a bunch more Boges from Canvape.

Seeing as I'm usually on the miss side of hit-or-miss issues, this does not bode (Boge?) well. Does anyone know why this is happening? Raised quotas on production lines maybe?

Could be raised quotas, could be their suppliers for filler or heat wire or socks changed the material, could be a change in manufacturing process, could be the suppliers are getting counterfeits -- I dunno. Whatever the factor or combination thereof, it has resulted in cartos that suck. Or mostly anyway. I do have one that's still going fine. Just one. I have about a dozen others left though.

You also need an exploitable workforce.

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And looser, less frequently-enforced employment regulations...

Mindfield, this is probably a stupid question ... but if I've just started using boges is there an easy way to tell if they're not as good as they used to be ? From everything I've read, you sort of get used to the taste, draw, etc over time and I haven't done that yet. I just order the 25 for $23 USD from surevapes. Maybe I could post you a couple for an experiment.

The easy way to tell is if they start tasting like crap sooner than they should. I usually got a minimum of 3-5 days of good solid use out of my Boges in a tank. Now I barely get a day -- whether in a tank or not. But yeah, let me know how the Surevapes ones go. I've been thinking of taking advantage of their deal.

Are you use using the new stardust 2.0s or whatever they're called with the replaceable heads ?

Yeah, I have three clearos on the go right now: A Stardust 2, a Vivi Nova 2, and a Kanger CC Clearo. (I also have an 808 SD2) I'm going to have to order a few more SD2s and some heads though. I have a few spare heads, but since this seems to be all I'm going to be using, at least for a while, I might as well load up.

I feel ya bro, and I have an enormous crapload of carto's sitting there all lonely-like because I'm disgusted with them. Been using Stardusts and Vivi Nova's almost 100% of the time now.

Yeah, looks like that's the direction I'm headed as well. I mean, I have no problem using them, but I'm still going to miss the slim form factor and proper 510 connetion of my cartos, especially when the Stardusts don't work well on eGo-510 adapters.

 

[Projectguy]

I have no idea, but I almost have to think so. There are too many people having purchased from too many different vendors that are complaining for the odds not to favour at least a few of those people complaining to their vendor, and at least one of those vendors passing along those complaints to their supplier.

It's enough to make me want to go out and design my own cartos and have them made locally. If had any idea how to do that. Or the capital with which to do so.

It can't be that complicated. Some Al tubing, wire, cotton (I think) ....... hmmm I'm going to ask some people. I might be significantly more expensive than imported but it they are well designed the life might make it worth the effort. Up front capital could be sourced on a "co-op" basis. The design would be important.

 

[Rttch]

I noticed this too with my latest batch

Vaporus has what looks like their own brand of V3 cartos, so I might try those. I've tried their horizontal brand and they worked phenomenally well (once I learned to punch them properly). I'll pay more for them for quality and to avoid wasting juice on a newly filled carto that just has to get thrown out in less than 24 hours of use.

 

[Mindfield]

It can't be that complicated. Some Al tubing, wire, cotton (I think) ....... hmmm I'm going to ask some people. I might be significantly more expensive than imported but it they are well designed the life might make it worth the effort. Up front capital could be sourced on a "co-op" basis. The design would be important.

They're not complicated at all, but there are key factors you need to balance out:

1. Filler material (polyester, cotton, blend, something like that -- needs to be untreated, non-reactive with juice, and at least moderately heat-resistant)
2. Filler density (how much needs to be used to prevent flooding but still promote free juice flow to the coil across the most common PG/VG ratios?)
3. Sock material, thickness and density (the sock that goes around the coil and acts as an intermediary between the hot coil and the burnable filler material, needs to have high heat tolerance and )
4. Coil material (Nichrome or low-emissivity Kanthal?)

All of these will effect flavour, vapor production, throat hit, and longevity. Then there's the manufacture process, which is a whole 'nother ball game.

The actual construction of them is dead simple, but there's a whole prototype phase needed to come up with a carto that is long-lasting and delivers the goods on VTF.

 

[darren molnar]

Could every one be a bit more specific as to which cartos are giving you problems, in order to hopefully narrow down a few that might still be good? Not just the brand.

For example, " the - brand Y - at - so and so - resistance and are - such and such - size and - so many coils - are not working this time", etc.

 

[rachelcoffe]

Mindfield, thank you for raising this issue & keeping us updated. If you have any info on how to directly contact Boge, I'd appreciate it in a PM so I can contact them as well.

I've been vaping exclusively with Boge cartos ever since I started. From the Joye 510, to the Mega eGo, to the ProVari. I will be very displeased if they take a perfectly good product & make it crap. Don't mess with my Boges.

 

[Eileithia]

Mindfield, thank you for raising this issue & keeping us updated. If you have any info on how to directly contact Boge, I'd appreciate it in a PM so I can contact them as well.

I've been vaping exclusively with Boge cartos ever since I started. From the Joye 510, to the Mega eGo, to the ProVari. I will be very displeased if they take a perfectly good product & make it crap. Don't mess with my Boges.

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