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lotus14

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^^^ I know I'm just saying, from over here, what it kinda looked like. I'm guess something thats largely internet based just cant help but come off 'nerdy' - And again I'm not flaming, I'm king nerd most times. I just think it really looked the way I described and all this "fixed voting" talk and flaming going on is making it even worse... Meh.

Yes, the negative talk is not good. But you've been around the web long enough to know some people will say lots of things on a forum without thinking or would never say in person.

But you haven't been around here long. After reading a good many of Tropical Bob's over 5,000 posts and watch him on video, and reading two attorneys, yvilla and Sun Vaporer (over 6,000 posts) discuss the merits of the SE/njoy vs FDA case, etc. etc., I feel I know many of these people quite well. At least I know how they think.

Also, most of the candidates put up bios so we'd know a little more about them. All in all I think we came up with an excellent group for our little board. An attorney, an MD, several business owners of various stripes, an excellent writer and self-motivated activist (good to see you on there kristin!) and several people with ton's of IT experience. Have you read the daddy who gave birth to this organization's bio - Webby? This isn't a bunch of dummies or web trolls.
 

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I'd like to add a special thanks to Webby to this thread.

:thumbs: Webby! :thumbs:

You've done a fantastic job of bringing CASAA to this birthing stage, and you have done it without imposing personal views. You've handled every obstacle admirably (and I know I contributed to some of them), without any mention of the time and work they caused you. Everyone who believes in CASAA owes you sincere thanks - we're at this point largely because of your efforts. I do believe that the elected board and the membership will make you proud, and I do hope for your continued involvement. (Please, if as seems likely, the board elects you as chairman, please do accept.)
 
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dperino

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Well, I couldn't be more pleased... well, I could.. but I'm not...

Congrats!! :)

big lol! there is no telling where casaa's adventure will lead 8-o. the fun has only begun for you winners. now run along and do what the eca appears incapable of doing: take up the user's cause and do it well. good luck and congratulations to all.

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Curious.

Instead of cries of fraud, wouldn't it make more sense to ask to see the raw data, from all datapoints?

I mean this seems a bit much in light of the fact that the math adds up, but here are some things to consider:

1. The results are correct and reflect the general direction and tone of the voters interested in an organization such as CASAA and what it aims to do, which may not be in sync with what people that do NOT share this vision believe, but are otherwise vocal and "popular".

2. The reporting is fraudulent.

3. The vote calculations did not work correctly

This last option is most important and needs a bit of explanation, The initial raw numbers did not compensate for anomalies that could skew the counts of a nominee, or in plain language...the very sort of "fraud" accusation that was floated here (without a shred of solid evidence outside of anecdote, I might add).

That is to say, before the validation filters were applied, (as outlined publicly in this post http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/casaa/44903-casaa-voting-validation.html) it is possible that say the, more...ardent supporters of any particular nominee could have done any of the following:

  • Used fake email addresses to vote multiple times
  • Voted multiple times above a reasonable threshold from the same machine
  • Voted multiple times from different email addresses
  • Etc

Which brings us to:

4. The anti-fraud mechanisms detected anomalies and erased suspect votes, thus adjusting the previously observed raw numbers

Now, it is up to the reader to decide which of these scenarios is the most *likely* given the circumstances and the you know, math and ability to verify the data...or to perhaps suggest others.

Given this, I am inclined to lean towards Options 1 and 4 in concert.

-K
 
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Congrats all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad this starts by calming the masses. This keeps up and they all might regret even running.
Reminds me of politicians. They do like to yell, "RECOUNT!" or "FOWL!"

For the first time, I think it went rather well--restart and all.
Hope all get into the frame of mind the vote is over---there is always next year.
NOW is time to get behind these folks (and you have to admit they are all good people) and let's start fighting the battle that we need to fight (for our PV and fight against the people and organizations that want to take them away).

Again, congrats.
 
Doesn't matter Jim, this organization can not even get off the ground, let alone notice the skewered voting numbers.

Call me a sore loser, but something just is not right. I campaigned long and hard. Got over a hundred e-mails and comments from youtube from people who said they voted for me, but only 89 show up?

Either there is a whole lot of liars or the voting was rigged.

Less numbers in an entire week than I got in one day before?

Sorry guys, I have lost my faith in CASAA, not because I did not win, but these numbers are so blatantly false.


First of all, the fact that you are a sore loser and the one to make noise really disappoints me. I am actually ....... Blatently calling liars on anyone who took the time to email you in support and changed their minds. Rigged? lol

I read the bios and watched the videos. And yes... changed my mind on the second vote. One of my final votes were for you based on your sincerity and motivation to help others. Plus, every board has a need for a normal guy.

Now looking at the reality of it. You are nowhere near qualified. Plus your true colors have now come out. Your professionalism just went right out the window. Thanks for changing not only my overall view of the guy you are but I am sure many others.

Webby and everyone... Congrats! you did a fantastic job. We finally have a voice.

Sorry to vent... I'm just :mad:
 
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First of all, the fact that you are a sore loser and the one to make noise really disappoints me. I am actually ....... Blatently calling liars on anyone who took the time to email you in support and changed their minds. Rigged? lol

I read the bios and watched the videos. And yes... changed my mind on the second vote. One of my final votes were for you based on your sincerity and motivation to help others. Plus, every board has a need for a normal guy.

Now looking at the reality of it. You are nowhere near qualified. Plus your true colors have now come out. Your professionalism just went right out the window. Thanks for changing not only my overall view of the guy you are but I am sure many others.

Webby and everyone, you did a fantastic job. We finally have a voice.

Sorry to vent... I'm just :mad:
I SECOND THAT!!!! TRUE COLORS HAVE COME THROUGH!!!!!! DEFINETLY NOT QUALIFIED!!!!! OR HAVE THE COMMUNICATION SKILLS OR HALF AS ARTICULATE AS THE OTHERS!!!!!! AND I WILL NEVER WATCH ANOTHER REVIEW!!!!!!! PUT THAT IN YOUR HAT AND VAPE IT!!!!!!WHINER!!!!!:evil:
 

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Well I have to say this on Mooby.

From what I gather he had more votes before the reset. I never even knew there was a reset until this thread opened up. I'm sure I'm not the only one that didn't know about the reset.

I'm sure that he just spoke out without even thinking about doing it. Like many of us would do if something stopped us from doing what we really wanted to do. Then there is the point in having more votes before the reset, and less votes after the reset. That might make the person more upset about the system, and then speak out against it.

I'm sure if Mccain was winning the vote during his run to become the President, and then they did a reset with the end result of him having the losing amount of votes. We would of heard about it from him, and all the people behind him.

I think this is stuff that Mooby really enjoys, and really enjoys the people more than anything. He spends a lot of his time doing this stuff already it seems, and he really wanted to take it a step farther. It sucks that it didn't work out for him, but life sucks from time to time.

He is not the only one upset/hurt whatever it maybe.


I really hope this whole idea picks up, and gets the ball rolling to where it needs to get going. We have some good people up on top, and we also need good people below them to give them the support they need to do it.


A little of my 2 Cents
 
Well I have to say this on Mooby.

From what I gather he had more votes before the reset. I never even knew there was a reset until this thread opened up. I'm sure I'm not the only one that didn't know about the reset.

I'm sure that he just spoke out without even thinking about doing it. Like many of us would do if something stopped us from doing what we really wanted to do. Then there is the point in having more votes before the reset, and less votes after the reset. That might make the person more upset about the system, and then speak out against it.

I'm sure if Mccain was winning the vote during his run to become the President, and then they did a reset with the end result of him having the losing amount of votes. We would of heard about it from him, and all the people behind him.

I think this is stuff that Mooby really enjoys, and really enjoys the people more than anything. He spends a lot of his time doing this stuff already it seems, and he really wanted to take it a step farther. It sucks that it didn't work out for him, but life sucks from time to time.

He is not the only one upset/hurt whatever it maybe.


I really hope this whole idea picks up, and gets the ball rolling to where it needs to get going. We have some good people up on top, and we also need good people below them to give them the support they need to do it.


A little of my 2 Cents

I will say that this is definitely not a personal attack on MoobyGhost. I would have unloaded on any of the nominees that took this road. That's just me. OC Punk Rock!

Mooby... For future reference...Ya can't win em all and some things are better left unsaid... Obviously others feel the same.

I hope he takes this as a lesson learned.
 

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Well I have to say this on Mooby.

From what I gather he had more votes before the reset. I never even knew there was a reset until this thread opened up. I'm sure I'm not the only one that didn't know about the reset.

I'm sure that he just spoke out without even thinking about doing it. Like many of us would do if something stopped us from doing what we really wanted to do. Then there is the point in having more votes before the reset, and less votes after the reset. That might make the person more upset about the system, and then speak out against it.

I'm sure if Mccain was winning the vote during his run to become the President, and then they did a reset with the end result of him having the losing amount of votes. We would of heard about it from him, and all the people behind him.

I think this is stuff that Mooby really enjoys, and really enjoys the people more than anything. He spends a lot of his time doing this stuff already it seems, and he really wanted to take it a step farther. It sucks that it didn't work out for him, but life sucks from time to time.

He is not the only one upset/hurt whatever it maybe.


I really hope this whole idea picks up, and gets the ball rolling to where it needs to get going. We have some good people up on top, and we also need good people below them to give them the support they need to do it.


A little of my 2 Cents

That is basically it.

The numbers did not make sense, nor at first glance even add up correctly. I am passionate about the things I do and I campaigned for this long and hard. I wanted to serve the people and I wanted to take the next step.

I never accused webby of fraud and never would, it just seemed like those numbers were so inflated, that someone could of cheated.

Anyway, now that I am not as emotional as I was last night. I am sorry for my comments.

I guess, if I am lucky, there is always next year...

Sean
 

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That is basically it.

The numbers did not make sense, nor at first glance even add up correctly. I am passionate about the things I do and I campaigned for this long and hard. I wanted to serve the people and I wanted to take the next step.

I never accused webby of fraud and never would, it just seemed like those numbers were so inflated, that someone could of cheated.

Anyway, now that I am not as emotional as I was last night. I am sorry for my comments.

I guess, if I am lucky, there is always next year...

Sean

Thank you for that Mooby :)

Yes, there's always next year. More importantly, there is still this year!

I say this to everyone - just because you're not a board member doesn't mean your help isn't needed. If you have the time, then get involved with CASAA. Visit the forum, participate in the discussion, and make suggestions. Offer to help in any way you can.

I'm sure once the board gets together and begins to develop various initiatives, I'm sure there will be plenty for everyone to do. ;-)
 
Anyway, now that I am not as emotional as I was last night. I am sorry for my comments.

I guess, if I am lucky, there is always next year...

Sean

Sean

I don't doubt that you have what it takes to be a part of CASAA. That's why I fricken voted for you.

Good luck next year...

PS. About my little eye opening kick in the ...... you fully deserved it. :D

AG
 

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That is basically it.

The numbers did not make sense, nor at first glance even add up correctly. I am passionate about the things I do and I campaigned for this long and hard. I wanted to serve the people and I wanted to take the next step.

I never accused webby of fraud and never would, it just seemed like those numbers were so inflated, that someone could of cheated.

Anyway, now that I am not as emotional as I was last night. I am sorry for my comments.

I guess, if I am lucky, there is always next year...

Sean
Takes a bigger man to apologize!!!!! Apology accepted!!!!
I actually voted for you as well as 2 others !!! :cool:
 

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Well I have to say this on Mooby.

From what I gather he had more votes before the reset. I never even knew there was a reset until this thread opened up. I'm sure I'm not the only one that didn't know about the reset.
Two things also changed on the second vote.

1. Registration was required on the second vote, but not the first. Also, filters were set to stop multiple votes on the second vote. If Mooby's supporters were voting multiple times to help support him on the first vote, resulting in inflated numbers on the first vote, they were unable to do that again on the second vote.

2. There was the addition of two more nominees on the second vote. One of them was a well-known and respected PV advocate, who has been very active in campaigning to stop PV bans and she is a registered nurse. She was voted to the board. I wouldn't be surprised if she took a lot of the votes away from other nominees based on her experience and qualifications.

I think those are two larger factors rather than the restart. The restart was posted everywhere and debated. There was a whole week for people to find out they needed to recast their vote. Unless they fell off the earth for a week, I doubt too many people were out of the loop.

Mooby said he had 100 people say they voted for him. 89 actually did. That is only 11 people who changed their mind or never got around to voting as they said they would. Not far-fetched at all, especially with a new nominee added as a choice.
 
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