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CDC Finally Saying Stop Vaping THC

Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by LadyAnabel, Sep 27, 2019.

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  1. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Apr 16, 2010
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    True.

    I guess I am just Old Enough to remember Another time when Pesticides in Pot was a Big News Story.

    CDC | Facts about Paraquat

    But I guess How the Pesticide got on the Pot was what made it just as Sensational as people Coughing Up a Lung.
     
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  2. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sci fi/horror idea for the day! (I swear, in my retirement now I know how to write a book that sucks. I am going to sci fi it up, LOL, I come up with these ideas all the time, I should start writing them down.) What if one day we woke up and no people vanished, but every form of currency VANISHED from the world, like yes, money, information in banks, gold and other precious metals, wall street, etc.

    I don't know but if I wrote the book, I guess I could find out.

    I don't think people from the 60s know how to take the weed thing they were told it was satanic for such a long time they are like "How can this be LEGAL?"

    Welcome to the reactions of vapers of the NOW in 20--30 years.

    Anna
     
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  3. f1vefour

    f1vefour Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2013
    Emerald Coast
    Yeah and all who knew should go to prison.

    I get my CBD from a place that doesn't sell THC, but even with the labs I already said CBD is in a bit of a 'Wild West' era.
     
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  4. Haktuspit

    Haktuspit Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2013
    Denver, CO
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  5. Woofer

    Woofer Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 8, 2014
    PA, SK, CA
    FWIW the lab, Colorado Green Labs sells cannabis products.
    Products

    More than you ever wanted to know about cadmium here;
    CADMIUM OXIDE - National Library of Medicine HSDB Database

    The big problem is I have taken apart many vape carts over the years and never once found any solder of any kind in the atomizer. Anyone else ever seen solder in an atty?

    I think it unlikely using silver solder is a crooks cost saving. If one is breaking the rules you just can't beat lead based solder.

    Ever seen screws or nails with a white powder on them, that would usually be cadmium oxide.
     
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  6. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Hey, Woofer! I swear I was just inspecting my tanks and drop-in coils and was about to write what you just wrote. :D

    Everything is stainless steel and press fit--I couldn't find any traces of solder there. I don't use cartridges, but I can't imagine what would require soldering in a cartridge/pod--they are all made in China and people all over the world are using them, including the crooks. Circuit boards is a different story--but we don't inhale any fumes from those, do we?

    So where exactly is that silver solder used? And what exactly is a "cheap vape pen," anyway?
     
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  7. Woofer

    Woofer Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Oct 8, 2014
    PA, SK, CA
    :thumbs:

    Also FWIW silver solder is available in many alloys, not all silver solder contains cadmium.

    This is getting very perplexing to me. At this point I don't think Vitamin e acetate is a cause, I don't think cadmium oxide or any other metal oxide is a cause.

    Also with respect and empathy to the victims, why so few cases, so very few cases compared to the number of vapers. Imma need a tin foil hat soon! :unsure:
     
  8. Tabac man

    Tabac man Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 24, 2019
    London
    The only solder I've ever seen was nr-r-nr wire. I pulled a few cheapo carts apart years ago and they were all press fitted or glued together. A lot of it was chromed brass back then.
     
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  9. f1vefour

    f1vefour Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2013
    Emerald Coast
    Most prebuilt coils were NR-R-NR but AFAIK they weren't soldered, they are spot welded together.
     
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  10. AttyPops

    AttyPops Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    "Back in the day" we had those old atomizers, and I'm unsure of their coil "welding" or not. I dripped into those for a few years. But ever since the ?post? e-Go style stuff and later, most coils I've seen have wires that are touch-contact...they have that rubber grommet and the wire on each side of it at the 510 connection. No solder. Maybe cheap cartos?

    Now, the wire composition (and decomposition) when heated....???
     
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  11. AttyPops

    AttyPops Vaping Master ECF Veteran

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    Besides, this would be international if it were all about solder in cheap stuff. Unless you could show that they only shipped cheap soldered stuff to the USA and nowhere else.
     
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  12. englishmick

    englishmick Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    It does seem more likely that it's what they put in the carts rather than the carts themselves. With thousands of amateur street dealers trying to make a quick buck throwing stuff together in their kitchens something had to go wrong eventually.

    It blows my mind that all these official groups with their vast expertise and resources and teams of scientists haven't figured it out yet. For now my speculation is worth as much as anyone else's.
     
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  13. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    [tinfoilhat]

    Maybe they have. But the Cause Doesn't Fit what they would Like to Demonize?

    Or the Cause casts a Bad Light on Something they Many are trying to Promote?

    [/tinfoilhat]
     
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  14. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    SW VA
    And now government, at both the state and federal level, is doing its best to force the nic-juice market into the hands of amateur street dealers. :facepalm:
     
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  15. englishmick

    englishmick Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 25, 2014
    Naptown, Indiana
    True. Someone could make juice with olive oil, or vitamin acetate for that matter, or use oil based flavoring. Or the wrong grade of PG/VG. Or illegally imported nicotine from plants grown with nasty pesticides and extracted by amateurs.

    I wonder what they will ban when that starts happening.
     
  16. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    Nothing.

    There won't be a Need to ban anything. Because the media will just Kick the Story under the Rug.

    Kinda like the Media did with this Story...

    California vape maker Kushy Punch caught making illegal products
     
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  17. Tabac man

    Tabac man Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 24, 2019
    London
    Investigations to date haven't found a single linked cause in all cases. Symptoms are not the same in all cases. The obvious conclusion is there is more than one thing causing the current problem. It would appear to be more complex than only vitamin E in thickeners.
     
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  18. englishmick

    englishmick Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Naptown, Indiana
    The lack of a known common factor and variation of symptoms does suggest more than one cause. The fact that it happened suddenly argues against that. It would be quite a coincidence if more than one factor caused similar medical problems to appear at the same time. Even if Vit E was common to all the cases, as far as I know nobody has demonstrated that Vit E in the quantities vapers would be taking in can cause lung failure. Same with the herbicide/cyanide theory, which is the only other proposal I'm aware of.

    So far we are stumbling around in the dark, and so are the authorities. All we really know is that most of the cases apparently involve people who had been vaping THC. We don't even know for sure that vaping is responsible. But the authorities need to be seen to be taking action, so they picked something they had been wanting to do anyway.
     
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  19. jandrew

    jandrew Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 2, 2013
    Winnipeg
    We have to remember that this outbreak is happening against a background of "normal" numbers of acute respiratory failure (ARF), acute lung injury (ALI), and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) --- which can be happening at rates as high as: 77.6–88.6, 17.9–34.0, and 12.6–28.0 cases/100 000 population per year, respectively.

    Contributions to the epidemiology of acute respiratory failure

    I'm sure the CDC is more than well aware of this, but aren't pointing that out anywhere. This would imply that at least some of the existing cases are "background cases" that, because they happened to people who vaped, get classified as "vaping related lung illness".

    That, at best, must be a serious confounding factor, and at worst (for tinfoil hat wearers), could mean the whole outbreak is an invention constructed entirely from background cases that happened to vape.

    Edit: everything from "tinfoil hat" onwards was meant to be an obviously facetious remark ... obviously not as obvious as I thought. My mistake.
     
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  20. Eskie

    Eskie ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 6, 2016
    NY
    ARDS occurs almost exclusively in the setting of other acute life threatening illnesses such as sepsis and severe infection. It is usually accompanied by other organ failures which complicates treatment and increases mortality. Primary acute respiratory failure without preexisting illness, infection, or known exposure to toxic corrosive pulmonary chemicals is exceedingly rare. In fact, what brought this to the attention of both pulmonary specialists and then the CD is the occurrence of primary severe pulmonary failure in young, healthy adults without any explanation for their illness.

    The criteria the CDC uses for cases is very specific that all other causes of ARDS have been ruled out such as infection, sepsis, other organ failure, and whatnot, with the only commonality of the use of a vape product prior to the occurrence.

    As to the tinfoil hat theory, well, that's what it is. This sin't background noise suddenly labelled "vape related".
     
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