What is the CDC supposed to do, when 23% of the patients say they have never vaped anything but nicotine? Call them all liars, and not investigate further?
CDC Finally Saying Stop Vaping THC
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Yep.
Someone might wanna tell Charlie Baker that pushing people to the point where they have nothing left to lose is generally a terrible idea.
They are in the hospital being treated....There were no blood tests or urine tests involved in the treatment? CDC doesn't have access to that information even if not linked to a name?
My information is some years ago Obama declared the CDC part of strategic national defense along with things like missile bases and nuclear submarines and stuff. It had massive ramifications for people trying to abuse it.
Wound up perusing the CDC site looking for specific info. Couldn’t find any. They’ve got a very large survey that pops when you first enter the site BTW.
Very bad idea. Totally useless. Implies their web stuff is behind the curve.
I did find the CDC organizational chart.
CDC Organization | About | CDC
Might be useful figuring out which section of the CDC is doing the research and who is making stupid announcements.
Your pretty much alone then in your perception.
My brother in law, who smoked all his life, has stage 3 (close to end stage) COPD.
With my assistance we got him vaping and he quit smoking, then he quit vaping. He ended up back to vaping - which was not the best but better than smoking.
But now with this health scare, and the CDC and other media warnings, he's back to smoking cigarettes because to him, they are telling him that cigarettes are better than vaping nicotine (for smoking cessation.)
People - real people - are hearing what the CDC is saying and going back to smoking thinking that's the safer option for them.
I tried talking to him, and he won't hear it because those he trusts (the CDC etc) have told him his e-cigarettes, and not illegal THC pods, is what is killing people..
And he's trying to tell me I need to start smoking again if I can't stop vaping.. lol.. as if I'm the stupid one..
What the CDC told people, will now kill many because they are just going to smoke instead of vape. And if that level of miscommunication to the American public isnt a crime it very well should be.
I don't agree, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt. By now though, they KNOW how people have interpreted it and if that is not what they meant, they should have corrected it. They haven't. Case closed.
I don't know. Do you? Who knows if the hospitals even tested for THC when the patients said they vaped nicotine. Also, what if the amount of THC/CBD in these adulterated products was so low or even non-existent (as some reports indicated they were), that by the time they came to the hospital, THC doesn't show up in urine tests.
I read 16% somewhere. They’d need proof one way or the other. I’d really like to see the whole lot of them drug tested. Preferably while still alive. After they’re dead I’m not sure if a drug test can be stopped.
Independent of the hospitals? I assume they now have. Their latest release specifically states that there are indications that patients may not have been forthright.
So vaping THC which has been done successfully for some years now in the States, has gone wrong to some extent. It follows that vaping nic eliquids which has been done successfully for some years now in the States, could also have gone wrong. CDC are trying to find out. Rightly so.
OK, but you realize that such a result isn't conclusive, right?
If there's some contaminant or even worse, multiple contaminants, there can be multiple paths. Think of it like a TREE with branches, not a single line.
So a person could, theoretically, have used THC (clean/good type but positive test result) in the past month, but have lung problems from a specific ingredient in a nic-vape. But one that isn't very popular, and is only hitting a small % of them. And ALSO there's this Vit-E-a problem, that could have been used by both types of vendors.
Remember that not all the cases had lipoid pneumonia. Some had other diagnoses.
It gets complicated. I realize when you have ?87%? 'hit' rate on THC vapes, that's it's pretty certain that there's a problem there. But excluding other possible issues too early is the way you make mistakes with this type of thing. I mean, it's always the exceptions that are the got-ya's.
The only thing they could say for certain is that all cases were vaping related. They had ZERO cases that were not vaping related as far as I know. Now, maybe that's a bias, and maybe some combustibles had/have a problem too. But I haven't heard that.
So it all comes off as "vaping related", simply because there's no incidents outside of vaping that can't be tracked to other things (knows however they happen).
I hope I'm not rambling, and that makes sense. This should be a "logic grid" type of operation. Virtually mathematical. But yes..."Vaping related".
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Pretty sure the CDC has the power to get any information related to disease outbreaks it chooses to use. CDC has massive powers including closing entry ports, Quarantines, etc.
THC shows in urine tests
How Long Does Marijuana Stay in Your System?
The main chemical in marijuana is tetrahydrocannabinol, also known as THC. Although the effects of THC wear off within a few hours of ingesting marijuana, traces of the chemical can remain in the body for weeks.
- 30-45 days can fail a urine test
- 60-75 days can fail a blood test
- Up to 90 days can fail a hair follicle test
That's so sad. For 50 reasons.
They did say don't go back to cigs. And they did say "consider" stopping.
IDK.
I don't want to over-defend them either. But like I keep saying, communicating this stuff can be hard.
Maybe they can do better if this type of thing happens again.
As of Sept 27, they do say that for the subset of 514 patients on which they have data on substances vaped in the 30 days prior to symptoms "16% reported exclusive use of nicotine-containing products."
However, only 77% reported using THC, so that leaves 7% who I guess vaped neither nicotine nor THC.
They didn't have to tell people to just smoke. They just had to tell addicts to stop vaping because it was killing people, and they didn't know why..
All people want to live.. So they go back to what they know, because they are addicts.
The devil we know is better than the devil we don't know, and all that..
and I agree, it's sad.
The key word is "can". It depends on the amount of THC vaped. Some reports claimed that the amounts of THC in some of these products were negligible. These are drug dealers selling these products after all. Have you never heard of oregano being sold in lieu of marijuana, on the streets?
Hair follicle tests are the only accurate way to know what is going on. It will detect THC for up to well, however long you grew your hair.. If the testers want to get REALLY finicky about it, they can actually determine approximate "times" of use (approximate, but reasonably so.)
THC in urine is a weird process. it depends on how heavy your usage, your metabolism, and a host of other factors. Also if you used a THC vape ONE time, and got sick there will be no THC showing up in your system AT ALL, unless a blood test was done between, I think 3--9 hours of use. Saliva is medium-- within the past few days.
All your body processes will filter THC separately and like, if you were not a habitual user, it may not even show up in your hair, although hair is still going to be the best bet for some people.
DESPTIE multiple ideas on the web, well, no you can't shave your head, boil it in tar, dye it 35 times, and/or dip it in goats urine, If you shave prepare to be a "professional swimmer" too because they will find other areas of hair to test.
People who are dying should be forthcoming in my opinion. What do you have to lose? You are about to die, honesty is probably the best bet if you believe in some sort of afterlife, or even the GOOD of society. That's my opinion. Of course, I imagine the initial reports were like, hoping to get over it OH ALTHOGH not being forthcoming to your doctor about what you have INHALED with lung issues strikes me as pretty dumb. Of course, so is buying black market cartridges..
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THC in urine is a weird process. it depends on how heavy your usage, your metabolism, and a host of other factors. Also if you used a THC vape ONE time, and got sick there will be no THC showing up in your system AT ALL, unless a blood test was done between, I think 3--9 hours of use. Saliva is medium-- within the past few days.
All your body processes will filter THC separately and like, if you were not a habitual user, it may not even show up in your hair, although hair is still going to be the best bet for some people.
DESPTIE multiple ideas on the web, well, no you can't shave your head, boil it in tar, dye it 35 times, and/or dip it in goats urine, If you shave prepare to be a "professional swimmer" too because they will find other areas of hair to test.
People who are dying should be forthcoming in my opinion. What do you have to lose? You are about to die, honesty is probably the best bet if you believe in some sort of afterlife, or even the GOOD of society. That's my opinion. Of course, I imagine the initial reports were like, hoping to get over it OH ALTHOGH not being forthcoming to your doctor about what you have INHALED with lung issues strikes me as pretty dumb. Of course, so is buying black market cartridges..
Anna
There’s also CBD. There was also an 86% number. Can’t remember what it was for.
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