One thing I'd like to mention when using a drip tip, once you've got your cup seal in place, don't twist your drip tip into the tube, you may wind up twisting the cup seal out of alignment. For me it was a natural tendency to turn/screw/twist the drip tips in place. If the cup seal turns, it's just like a valve, it will cut off the flow of juice into the coil since it will effectively cover the cup slots. Just push it straight in, & take a look to make sure the cup seal hasn't turned.
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With all the great advancements lately in the E2's and Visions it boggles my mind why the cup seals still have those micro sized notches for the wicks. The width of these notches could be opened up a mile (an 1/8") and maybe even a touch (0.010") deeper and would have no negative effects . This would eliminate all this wick pinching/dry hit issue once and for all. On the new colored tubes it's a PITA to try an line the micro notch up on the wick if you have juice in and can't yank it completely off the tube and then install it. It always been a given on every new E2 to open these micro notches up. It's not a major but still a PITA to have to mess with them straight out of the box.
IMO, the perfect solution for E2's and Visions would be to keep the whistle tips (love these things on the reg and mini Visions) but change the mouthpiece seal to incorporate the cup seal. This new integral mouthpiece/cup seal would have just a short rim to go around the cup to the depth of the current notches minus the 0.01" I mention above. No more notches at all, just a shallow rim to seal and hold the cup centered in the tube. And then open the center air hole up to the same inside diameter as the ceramic cup. Now you can extend the length of the metal tube and raise the ceramic cup to allow for a little more juice.
With the above configuration you no longer have to worry about lining up notches onto the wicks (no more pinched wicks). No need for bottle nipples for filling. All you would have is a tube, the coil/metal tube assembly and a tip. And..... The flavor would be greatly increased due to the larger air hole and simpler design.
Chris?? Dan???? Are you taking notes??? Please! Let me know if you want me to draw this up for ya. I'll lay it out in metric to make it easier for your manufactures.
IMO, the perfect solution for E2's and Visions would be to keep the whistle tips (love these things on the reg and mini Visions) but change the mouthpiece seal to incorporate the cup seal. This new integral mouthpiece/cup seal would have just a short rim to go around the cup to the depth of the current notches minus the 0.01" I mention above. No more notches at all, just a shallow rim to seal and hold the cup centered in the tube. And then open the center air hole up to the same inside diameter as the ceramic cup. Now you can extend the length of the metal tube and raise the ceramic cup to allow for a little more juice.
With the above configuration you no longer have to worry about lining up notches onto the wicks (no more pinched wicks). No need for bottle nipples for filling. All you would have is a tube, the coil/metal tube assembly and a tip. And..... The flavor would be greatly increased due to the larger air hole and simpler design.
Chris?? Dan???? Are you taking notes??? Please! Let me know if you want me to draw this up for ya. I'll lay it out in metric to make it easier for your manufactures.
my one fluxomizer with the new vision kit leaked all over my pants today, the whole thing in pocket. I had the rubber piece that comes one per pack in the top with the seal stuck in that. I pull it out and just suck off the tube itself so I don't stick it in all the way, will know better for next time.
but could you imagine using the mouthpiece it comes with that falls out if you breath on it? I've never had my pants all wet like this without a woman involved
but could you imagine using the mouthpiece it comes with that falls out if you breath on it? I've never had my pants all wet like this without a woman involved
Holy buckets! These new plugs are flipping incredible! I did make one slight modification to what I see others doing though. I put the middle plug in over top of the new plug. With a standard 510 drip tip, this completely seals the top, no leaks.
I'm floored at the performance of this same fluxo I cleaned with a new plug, chain vaping just got a whole lot better!
I'm floored at the performance of this same fluxo I cleaned with a new plug, chain vaping just got a whole lot better!
please let us know the feedback on these, im trying to get them improved so future runs should fit better, if they are helping many people out then i wont pull the plug on these and keep selling them until the new ones are ready.
I understand some arent happy with them but so far many are
I understand some arent happy with them but so far many are
The design concept is there, and it works.
The only part I'm using is the cup-seal (along with a clear plastic drip tip) because the mouthpiece was too small, got too hot, and I simply prefer a drip tip.
My ideal version of this idea would have a slightly wider cup seal so it can reach both sides of the cup without stretching, the seal would have slightly larger notches for better wicking, it would have a wider inner tube (almost as large as the cup) for max vapor-flow, and if the tube was wide enough and the cup seal thick enough for it to seal with a drip tip that would be perfect.
I'm not sure that I would buy more at this time, but I probably might. They do work 'as is' with a little fiddling, so I can't complain!
The only part I'm using is the cup-seal (along with a clear plastic drip tip) because the mouthpiece was too small, got too hot, and I simply prefer a drip tip.
My ideal version of this idea would have a slightly wider cup seal so it can reach both sides of the cup without stretching, the seal would have slightly larger notches for better wicking, it would have a wider inner tube (almost as large as the cup) for max vapor-flow, and if the tube was wide enough and the cup seal thick enough for it to seal with a drip tip that would be perfect.
I'm not sure that I would buy more at this time, but I probably might. They do work 'as is' with a little fiddling, so I can't complain!
Bad,
The flat tips need to be bigger and the notches a little bit bigger ,other than that they
are great .please don't stop handling them. They are a great inprovement over what we had.
The flat tips need to be bigger and the notches a little bit bigger ,other than that they
are great .please don't stop handling them. They are a great inprovement over what we had.
I have 10 of them. The tips are useless, but I love the cup seals. I have enough for now. But I'd buy more if I needed to, and just toss the mouthpieces. Maybe sell them without the mouthpieces until the revised ones arrive?
Not a fan of the tips either, same goes for the larger Vision tips as condensation does get trapped in them and the come flying right out (dropped my PV thinking I could switch hands using my mouth as the go between). Plus, all of my drip tips work just fine... which is what I think many want.
Definitely keep pursuing the cup seal, all three that I have allowed me to vape a full 1.8mL XL down to nothing for the first time... three times in a row on different fluxos. I'll by another couple sets on my next order, I won't use the older cup seals if I can have these.
Definitely keep pursuing the cup seal, all three that I have allowed me to vape a full 1.8mL XL down to nothing for the first time... three times in a row on different fluxos. I'll by another couple sets on my next order, I won't use the older cup seals if I can have these.
I love the cup seals as they are, please don't get rid of them. I don't like the tips anyway, I'd prefer I could put my own drip tips on Visions, if only they fit. LOL Wish we had some kind of "sizing" plug for drip tip retrofitting for Visions...
I am very happy with this cup seal and a regular drip tip combination.
I am very happy with this cup seal and a regular drip tip combination.
A few offerings,
First off, I don't really like whistle tips, from eGo-T's, (both reg. & mega) Vision style, & the Mega Atty Whistle tip, they have never been anything but condensation traps for me. Removing the baffle on the inside will do nothing to stop that. Pulling from a chamber and tunneling it into a smaller space just creates this trap. Making a whistle tip smaller will cause it to trap more vapor condensation. The only way to get some consistency with them in my experience is to take a long, slow draw to prevent trapping vapor at the choke point that is formed by the whistle tip design. Make the plug seals a standalone item & offer a whistle tip as an option for those that prefer them.
On drip tips, I don't believe you can say that any drip tip is standard, the only dimension they follow is the outside diameter that will fit into an atty or cartomizer, and you never know what atty or cartomizer they used for that dimension. This is why every manufacturer's drip tip that can fit a 510 atty gets mass produced & becomes a 510 atty or carto drip tip. Length, style, & inside diameter will vary on all. Which is why some people prefer some tips to others. The GV Fluxos have a standard design profile, a drip tip, whistle tip, cap, etc., can be made just for them to work with the new cup seal. Length upon insertion, Fluxo inside diameter, bore thru hole diameter, (for best fit to seal over the nipple).
The plug seal only needs three tweaks IMO, one is to widen the slot cut for the wicks & is the one that should be done in a future revision, the second is to shorten the "nipple" on the inside that goes over the wick cup & is closest to the coil, this will give peace of mind that that "nipple" is not being burned by the coil & giving an odd or burnt taste. Don't eliminate it, just shorten it so it will still seal the wick cup from the main juice supply & prevent leakage in to the center air tube. Third & last is to slightly thicken the center main body of the seal by 5-10 thousandths of an inch. (Rough estimate.) This will make it more rigid inside the tube over the cup seal to prevent flexing, it will also take up any space or gap left when using various drip tips that may not fully compress the seal over the cup. As skinnee mentioned he uses the middle seal to take up the gap & would be a good way to judge how much thicker it needs to be.
I don't think the air tube needs to be enlarged, with the drip tips, caps I've tried, it works fine as is. Also leave the filling slots as is also, one of the whole points of this new plug seal was for easier filling & I don't think you can improve much more that what GV has offered for that solution.
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First off, I don't really like whistle tips, from eGo-T's, (both reg. & mega) Vision style, & the Mega Atty Whistle tip, they have never been anything but condensation traps for me. Removing the baffle on the inside will do nothing to stop that. Pulling from a chamber and tunneling it into a smaller space just creates this trap. Making a whistle tip smaller will cause it to trap more vapor condensation. The only way to get some consistency with them in my experience is to take a long, slow draw to prevent trapping vapor at the choke point that is formed by the whistle tip design. Make the plug seals a standalone item & offer a whistle tip as an option for those that prefer them.
On drip tips, I don't believe you can say that any drip tip is standard, the only dimension they follow is the outside diameter that will fit into an atty or cartomizer, and you never know what atty or cartomizer they used for that dimension. This is why every manufacturer's drip tip that can fit a 510 atty gets mass produced & becomes a 510 atty or carto drip tip. Length, style, & inside diameter will vary on all. Which is why some people prefer some tips to others. The GV Fluxos have a standard design profile, a drip tip, whistle tip, cap, etc., can be made just for them to work with the new cup seal. Length upon insertion, Fluxo inside diameter, bore thru hole diameter, (for best fit to seal over the nipple).
The plug seal only needs three tweaks IMO, one is to widen the slot cut for the wicks & is the one that should be done in a future revision, the second is to shorten the "nipple" on the inside that goes over the wick cup & is closest to the coil, this will give peace of mind that that "nipple" is not being burned by the coil & giving an odd or burnt taste. Don't eliminate it, just shorten it so it will still seal the wick cup from the main juice supply & prevent leakage in to the center air tube. Third & last is to slightly thicken the center main body of the seal by 5-10 thousandths of an inch. (Rough estimate.) This will make it more rigid inside the tube over the cup seal to prevent flexing, it will also take up any space or gap left when using various drip tips that may not fully compress the seal over the cup. As skinnee mentioned he uses the middle seal to take up the gap & would be a good way to judge how much thicker it needs to be.
I don't think the air tube needs to be enlarged, with the drip tips, caps I've tried, it works fine as is. Also leave the filling slots as is also, one of the whole points of this new plug seal was for easier filling & I don't think you can improve much more that what GV has offered for that solution.
All my 2¢
The only DT I have that fits snug over the airtube is the pawn mini one. Other DT holes are larger and very prone to juice leaking. I keep mine in my pockets and can't always put my PV standing on a desk so just some food for thought.
Also I mentioned that the bottom of the mouthpiece might be better served convex instead of concave to seal the filling holes better.
I've tested for biteability and I'm satisfied it won't fall off while I'm biking xD
Oh yes. I just coined "biteability"
Also I mentioned that the bottom of the mouthpiece might be better served convex instead of concave to seal the filling holes better.
I've tested for biteability and I'm satisfied it won't fall off while I'm biking xD
Oh yes. I just coined "biteability"
I'm telling ya, stick a middle plug (the thin one) in between the new plug and your drip tip... leaking solved!
But then there's no point for the conversion kit. Though I do wanna try glueing one onto the bottom of a DT.
Really?!?!
|___Drip Tip__|
|__thin_plug__|
|__new plug__|
|ceramic_cup_|
^spacing gets screwed but hopefully my low-budget visual aid gets the idea across.
|___Drip Tip__|
|__thin_plug__|
|__new plug__|
|ceramic_cup_|
^spacing gets screwed but hopefully my low-budget visual aid gets the idea across.
For the middle seal that skinnee is using, cut some straight edges on each side and line them up with the filling slots on the cup seal. That way you don't have to remove the middle seal when refilling. All it does is act as a spacer, & my reason for saying they can make the middle part of the seal thicker.
Another way to get a better drip tip fit is to trim the tube down till your drip tip sits flush on the cup seal, but then you are doing more work than you should.
Another way to get a better drip tip fit is to trim the tube down till your drip tip sits flush on the cup seal, but then you are doing more work than you should.
someone mentioned that they used a drip tip and it sealed it up fine, all it has to do is be thick enough at the bottom to cover the fill holes.
as it is now, I find this kit almost useless. no offense to anyone, but I don't have a tip that works so i have to use the tip as a stopper and take off the tip to smoke. twice already i've forgotten to put the tip back on and had it leak out in my pocket. twice in one day yesterday.
i think the cup seal is great, no real issues with that. its just finding a way to seal it so you can smoke and not have it leak, putting in the little donut that comes with them is not a solution as that defeats the point of the easy fill.
do the little plastic seals that come at the bottom of the plastic whistle tips not fit into the drip tips? they fit into the rubber one per pack mouthpieces and that works pretty well except the rubber mouthpiece sucks and I just end up drinking juice.
as it is now, I find this kit almost useless. no offense to anyone, but I don't have a tip that works so i have to use the tip as a stopper and take off the tip to smoke. twice already i've forgotten to put the tip back on and had it leak out in my pocket. twice in one day yesterday.
i think the cup seal is great, no real issues with that. its just finding a way to seal it so you can smoke and not have it leak, putting in the little donut that comes with them is not a solution as that defeats the point of the easy fill.
do the little plastic seals that come at the bottom of the plastic whistle tips not fit into the drip tips? they fit into the rubber one per pack mouthpieces and that works pretty well except the rubber mouthpiece sucks and I just end up drinking juice.
anybody??
I did another one of these last night, unfortunately the remaining mouthpieces that came with these things have the rubber seals glued in unlike the first one where I could pop it out, but that doesn't matter anyway because apparently the one per package rubber mouthpieces are all different as well. I have one where the rubber seal out of the plastic mouthpiece fits in fine. the new one I just opened is not hollow at the bottom so even if I could get the rubber insert out of the plastic mouthpieces, I couldn't push it in there. however that one seems to be thicker around the edges and seems to be sealing off the fluxomizer pretty well.
problem is, thats the only one like that, I need a way to make more of these, so do the drip tips on got vapes site stop it from leaking? are they thick enough on the edges and do they go in deep enough?
I did another one of these last night, unfortunately the remaining mouthpieces that came with these things have the rubber seals glued in unlike the first one where I could pop it out, but that doesn't matter anyway because apparently the one per package rubber mouthpieces are all different as well. I have one where the rubber seal out of the plastic mouthpiece fits in fine. the new one I just opened is not hollow at the bottom so even if I could get the rubber insert out of the plastic mouthpieces, I couldn't push it in there. however that one seems to be thicker around the edges and seems to be sealing off the fluxomizer pretty well.
problem is, thats the only one like that, I need a way to make more of these, so do the drip tips on got vapes site stop it from leaking? are they thick enough on the edges and do they go in deep enough?
Probably not... you've tossed aside all the working solutions we have come up with. You'll have to come up with something (a mix of the other solutions maybe) that works for you.
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