Cellucotton- Rayon/Health/Performance

[Khanruler]

Does anyone have any knowledge about whether the "Graham Cellucotton %100 Rayon Fiber" is healthy for vaping or not?

What are your opinions and comparison of performance with other types of cotton if you have tried?

 

[Beamslider]

Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

couple long threads on here

 

[bombastinator]

Some people prefer it. It’s supposed to have no first hit cotton flavor. Chemistry wise they’re both pure cellulose so there is no danger

 

[Khanruler]

I heard about rayon is classified as a synthetic fabric and there are chemicals used in doing so are sodium hydroxide, carbon disulfide and sulfuric acid. People that have tested using this as a wick material some of them reports tickly/ itchy throat, coughing/ tight chest, headaches so that i have concerns about inhaling it on the other hand i am also wondering about it

 

[Beamslider]

There are chemicals used in the production of cotton as well. Rayon is wood fiber processed with chemicals.

I have and still use both. I prefer the rayon, it doesn't have any taste, it has a higher burn temp, and it has better juice flow. I don't have any throat problems with either.

I recommend you read the threads on here and make up your own mind.

 

[r77r7r]

Safety is addressed In Detail in the original rayon thread. We take our vaping seriously here.

 

[Winchester]

Howdy And Welcome!
I have been using 100% Pima Cotten for years. That's my

 

[Letitia]

I prefer KGD and Drago egyption cotton. Kendo Gold is good as well. Rayon, Muji, and Cotton Bacon all work, I just like the others better. Native Wicks Platinum has it's fans as well. Wick material is as subjective as everything else regarding vaping. All are safe enough.

 

[suprtrkr]

Dyed in the wool rayon man over here. I've wicked 'em all: bamboo, ceramic, stainless mesh, and every kind of cotton under the sun. I had a dude I know out in West Texas send me a bag full of organic straight from the field. Still had the seeds in it, had to comb it myself. FWIW, the best cotton wicks I have ever used are a composite of Japanese long staple rolled in a tube in the Scottish Roll technique, with a pinch of Egyptian short staple held in the center. The long staple tails wick the juice to the coil, and the short staple holds it in the place where it does the most good.

But none of it holds a candle to rayon (IMHO, of course.) I honestly don't understand it; rayon is chemically identical to cotton but it "behaves" differently in the coil. I find rayon wicks better-- that is understandable; being extruded rather than grown, all the fibers run the entire length of the rope-- and is more tolerant of heat than cotton. Rayon is more tolerant of wicking error than cotton in my experience also. Pull too little and cotton will pop and spit at you. Rayon does as well, but less so. Pull too much and cotton will "choke" in the coil and stop wicking, giving you a dry hit and a burnt wick. Not rayon. It does not appear to care how much is in the coil. If you can pull it in there and not destroy the coil in the process, rayon will keep on wicking. I am one of those who notices a slight "break-in" taste with rayon but it goes away much more quickly than cotton, like in 8 or 10 puffs. Finally, getting it too hot doesn't give you that nasty "burnt cotton' taste. I have had a rayon wick completely burnt in two in the coil-- ok, so I'm lazy about wicking-- and they kept right on wicking with no dry hits. The flavor was off a bit, but nothing like cotton. I find I have to schedule a rewick with rayon; the flavor doesn't clue me in quickly enough.

As to safety... I don't worry about it much. I suppose, if you pay for sterile, surgical unbleached cotton, it might be safer. But I am convinced-- entirely without evidence, I just believe it-- that vaping rayon wicks is less unhealthy than smoking. That's good enough for me.

 

[Trigster]

I use either KGD or Muji...But there are many who swear by Rayon...I've never tried it but I'm sure at some point in the future I will...I have no concerns about either...Trig

 

[Letitia]

Japanese long staple rolled in a tube in the Scottish Roll technique, with a pinch of Egyptian short staple held in the center. The long staple tails wick the juice to the coil, and the short staple holds it in the place where it does the most good.

I scottish roll my KGD. Are you saying I can put my egyptian in the center and get a better wick. Not sure what you mean by staple.

 

[suprtrkr]

I scottish roll my KGD. Are you saying I can put my egyptian in the center and get a better wick. Not sure what you mean by staple.

"Staple" is a technical term about cotton; it refers to the length of the individual fibers in the cotton boll. They are referenced as long and short, which is self explanatory. And yes, I mean exactly what you think. Take a sheet of KGD exactly as you would for a Scottish Roll, and lay a small-- really small, it still has to fit in the coil-- quantity of the Egyptian in the middle, both long and wide. Then roll it up as usual. You'll get what looks like a pregnant Scots wick. Roll it in your fingers a bit so it fits in the coil and pull it. There's a learning curve, Letitia; stick with it and you'll get it. I found it worked better if you'd comb the Egyptian a bit to straighten out the fibers some, in the long direction pointed toward the tails. The thing is, the long staple wicks well down the length of the fiber, but the short staple doesn't because the fibers are so short and so jumbled up. So the KGD brings the juice from the ports to the coil, and the Egyptian, being wetted from the KGD, holds it there. The wick "loads" juice right at the coil where it's needed. If you have a bottom air machine which likes to leak on you from the wick being situated above the air ports this also seems to slow it down some. I don't think anything will stop it...

I haven't ever tried this using rayon instead of KGD as the outer shell-- rayon wicks nearly perfectly as it is; much better juice transport capacity than any kind of cotton, so it isn't really needed-- but I suspect it would work even better than KGD both by better juice transport and greater resistance to heat.

 

[Letitia]

@suprtrkr Thank you. Bookmarked. I'm betting some cussing will be involved when I try to comb the egyptian. Will definitely be trying this in the Zeus. Will it work well with both fused clapton and single wire coils?

 

[suprtrkr]

@suprtrkr Thank you. Bookmarked. I'm betting some cussing will be involved when I try to comb the egyptian. Will definitely be trying this in the Zeus. Will it work well with both fused clapton and single wire coils?

I have successfully used in on twists and can't think of a reason it won't work on Claptons. I don't usually build Clapton coils though: tried them a while back and discovered you get 85% or so of the surface area benefits with twisted wire for less money and azz-ache, plus stiffer wire and therefore better coil life. I dunno what mandrel you are used to using, but if you'll wind at least 3mm you'll have more room for error while you're learning. Combing the short staple is tough-- a doll comb helps if you have little girls handy to provide one, or you can fall back on a used, soft-bristle toothbrush-- but the really frustrating part is rolling a perfect one that's too fat to fit the coil. Don't break your behind combing. The messy nature of the short staple is why it works to hold juice. It just makes it a bit flatter and easier to roll up and not get a huge lump of it in the middle.

Edit: you might also try, instead of rolling from the edge, folding the sheet of KGD over the Egyptian and rolling from the middle to the (combined) ends.

 

[Letitia]

Rolling won't be a problem. Was going to put a 3.5mm twisted ss in Zeus anyway. Twisting pliers should be here this weekend and already have some 27g ss. Will probably put a tri core fc in the other Zeus, finally bought a spool instead of prebuilt. Appreciate the help @suprtrkr.

 

[suprtrkr]

Rolling won't be a problem. Was going to put a 3.5mm twisted ss in Zeus anyway. Twisting pliers should be here this weekend and already have some 27g ss. Will probably put a tri core fc in the other Zeus, finally bought a spool instead of prebuilt. Appreciate the help @suprtrkr.

Any time. LMK how you get on, and if you like it.

 

[Letitia]

Any time. LMK how you get on, and if you like it.

Will do. Tomorrow looks to be slow at work. Will twist a few practice wicks. I do have a great job. lol

 

[BrotherBob]

What are your opinions and comparison of performance with other types of cotton if you have tried?

No comparison here, wonder why anyone would use any type of cotton (healthwise,applicationwise and costwise).

 

[AnthonyMcDevitt91]

I don't know about "CelluCotton" in particular, but I LOVE rayon. It certainly has a different flavor to it than cotton (not bad, just different, maybe less "clean") that takes a little bit off getting use to. Also it is not as absorbent, meaning when fully saturated, it does not hold as much liquid as cotton (although the difference is small). However the extreme advantage that I absolutely love about rayon is how .......ned fast it draws up the juice. I like to use an almost 100% vg mix and a re-buildable tank deck as well. When I prime the first thing I always do is go straight to the wick channels, they give me an idea how well the wick was placed in. Cotton, the juice kinda just gently settles down into it, but with rayon it sucks it up like your just pouring it down a drain. It allows you these just incredibly massive hits.

If I were using a dripper, or some of those premade tanks, cotton would certainly be better. It has a "cleaner" taste and with those setups the wicking speed is never an issue. But with a heavy vg mix and an RTA, cotton can stunt the size of your draw compared to the enormous potential that rayon allows. The only thing is I wish I could find rayon in the same form as the Koh Gen Do cotton pads. I think that the straight fibers would be more efficient and wicker faster, but those pads are just so .......n easy to use.

On health aspects, I have no idea one way or the other. Probably healthiest would be to use neither and stop putting anything other than natural air into your lungs. But where is the fun in that?

 

[lupinehorror]

rayon.
done.