changing voltage / resistance, and why should I want to?

[doctadrea]

This may seem like a silly question to many of you, but I'm honestly wondering.

I'm pretty happy vaping 2ohms at 3.7v, and from what I've read, many people agree that's a pretty good combo. If I were to build my own coils, I'd probably want to build them around the same resistance, right? If I were to up the resistance, I'd probably want to up the vots... and then wouldn't I just end up at a similar vape as the 3.7/2.0?

I guess I'm not really understanding the point of VV/VW, or building at different ohms. I've been watching videos and reading this board for a couple months because when I get a new hobby, I like to learn everything I can about it. I'm sure it's just something very simple I'm missing here.

Also, regarding mech mods: Without getting into subohms and all that, the only two (very valid, imho) reasons for getting one is a) shiny new toys are awesome, and b) being able to replace the battery when the Vapocalypse hits and vaping specific power modules are banned. The housing may last forever, but the 14/18xxx's will have to be replaced just like any other rechargeable battery. I guess the whole more mah thing, but that's only if you don't mind the mod being giant.

I also don't understand the giant mods for longer battery life. If I'm out and about, I need something portable. If I'm home, I don't need a longer battery life because I'm near an outlet. If it's a power outage / zombie attack thing, why not just have a power bank?

Right now, I don't understand why I shouldn't just have an ego mini with a 15mm halfling tank in my pocket, a spare battery, wall adapter, and 5ml bottle of juice (in a pouch about the size of a deck of cards) in my bag as backup.

I also want all the toys, because shiny. Why should I / should I not get them? (edit: I'm open to the idea of having a going out and a bigger staying in setup, but only if the staying in setup is "better" for a good enough reason. Not looking to get a million different devices, but I'd pay a decent amount of money on 1 or two really good ones.)

 

[nobreak1970]

All of your questions have been debated since the beginning of time.

Seriously, I stick with VV. To me it's easy to get good results for my particular tanks.

 

[doctadrea]

Ok, thanks for the dismissive response, but I wouldn't have asked if I'd come across an answer before.
I understand that "good results" is very personal and subjective. We all like what we like, and will probably like one type more. So... once you decide which tank / atomizer / style you like, what's the purpose of having different types? I'm genuinely curious. I'm sure there's a reason, otherwise people wouldn't do it, even if that reason is just "shiny new toys".
The reason could be as simple as why I don't wear green shirts every day. Sure, green is my favorite color, and I like green better than blue, but sometimes I like to wear blue just because I like a bit of variety. And that's OK. I would just like to know if there's a reason beyond that.

 

[Thrasher]

many of the smaller batteries just dont have the "kick" required to drive more efficient devices.

you would never be able to get good results from a tiny battery with a big honkin tank attached.

as for vv/vw mods usually the power is a little more dependable and stable, there is little to no fluctuation as the battery drops charge and of course the battery will last longer.
i am not saying what you vape now isnt working but you may be missing out a little and sometimes being able to add that .2 - .3v more makes all the difference. with the bigger setups you can do just that, say its working ok but you bump it up and go wow thats much better.

also sometimes some juices react differently or taste different in the same device using a different resistance because the wire changes to get that resistance some juice may like it hotter with a low resistance another juice may taste better at higher resistance with less power. the vv/vw mods give you the ability to really dial in the sweet spot.

as for mech mods and rebuilding. the idea behind them is kinda getting distorted when in reality many of the rebuildable atomizers are much more efficient and deliver a better experience, so much in fact most people have to lower their nicotine, sometimes by as much as half. the down side is the experience just doesn't last for long on a very small battery. and the mods themselves are just a very efficient driver for them. people do collect them but that is not why they start using them.

not everyone is worried about having a stealthy little unit to hide in their pocket, to me it is more important to know A my battery will not die anytime soon and B my mod will not fail. with that in mind i no longer need a little bag or case full of backups and chargers and this and that. a spare battery and a bottle of juice and im out the door.

the average 3.7 battery is what 650mah? mine are 2900mah and 3400mah lasting well over a day if not closer to two and the power output is more stable for a longer time.

with a vw mod there is no concern over things like " oh man i have to hunt down more of those 2 ohm clearos" because you can adjust the voltage you can use anything you feel like and just adjust the voltage to match, meaning you have a lot more room to try things as well.

in the beginning many people including myself think this set up works awesome why would I upgrade? then you try better units and think wow what a difference why didnt I try this sooner. more then anything else, every step you take up really does improve the experience and it keeps getting better and better with each step.

in many cases people try rebuildables and think wow how did I stick with clearos for so long they seem great at first but after using a dripper they taste like air.

then the fact that disposable ego type or cigalikes are just that - disposable. you cannot fix them or replace anything when the battery gets weak or you break something its another 20-30 bucks in the dumpster.
for 6 to 10 dollars I buy batteries that easily last a year or more if i use a couple in rotation and get to keep my fancy unit. as well as use those same batteries in all my units.

 

[j3illy]

Different flavors have varying sweet-spots (vaporization temperature) where they taste the best, and that's what the VV is gonna let you accomplish. I haven't messed w/ VV yet, but I've seen how the concept would come in handy for this blueberry / vanilla icre-cream flavor I had. At a lower temperature it tasted delicious, esp. on the french inhale. But if I started hitting it longer and quicker w/o letting it re-wick fully, I'd get a somewhat burnt hit (w/ the coil being noticeably hotter), and the deliciousness was missing. So if you have VV, for each flavor you can cycle thru your voltages, and experiment to see how your juice tastes best.

 

[Ryedan]

This may seem like a silly question to many of you, but I'm honestly wondering.

I'm pretty happy vaping 2ohms at 3.7v, and from what I've read, many people agree that's a pretty good combo. If I were to build my own coils, I'd probably want to build them around the same resistance, right? If I were to up the resistance, I'd probably want to up the vots... and then wouldn't I just end up at a similar vape as the 3.7/2.0?

I guess I'm not really understanding the point of VV/VW, or building at different ohms. I've been watching videos and reading this board for a couple months because when I get a new hobby, I like to learn everything I can about it. I'm sure it's just something very simple I'm missing here.

Not at all a silly question!

You already got great answers from Thrasher. I only have a couple of thoughts to add. 2ohms at 3.7v is 6.8 watts. Watts is what is important as that defines the amount of heat you're putting into the coil. Any combination of ohms and volts that gives you 6.8 watts will vape pretty much the same in similar device types. Get into RBAs and RDAs and things change. 20 watts in a RDA will not vape at all similar to 20 watts in a clearomizer or a carto.

The ability to change the power you apply to the coil really changes the vape. The other two variables are wicking and air flow. These three need to be balanced to give you the vape you want from a device.

Right now, I don't understand why I shouldn't just have an ego mini with a 15mm halfling tank in my pocket, a spare battery, wall adapter, and 5ml bottle of juice (in a pouch about the size of a deck of cards) in my bag as backup.

I also want all the toys, because shiny. Why should I / should I not get them? (edit: I'm open to the idea of having a going out and a bigger staying in setup, but only if the staying in setup is "better" for a good enough reason. Not looking to get a million different devices, but I'd pay a decent amount of money on 1 or two really good ones.)

None of the possible upgrades you're talking about are necessary in order to vape. There is absolutely no good reason not to stay with an ego mini with a 15mm halfling tank in your pocket if that satisfies you and keeps you from smoking. The only reason I ever upgraded was when I felt the need to do it because I was missing something. I never spent on shiny and after my starter kit was paid off I never spent more than I spent for smokes at $30 per carton per week. The last year my spend on vaping is below $10 a week and I'm not missing out on anything.

 

[K_Tech]

Smoking was simple. Buy your chosen poison from the local stop and rob, put the cigarette in your mouth, light it up, puff away.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I'll say that for a LOT of people, vaping is simple. Fill up your tank, put it on your battery, vape away. There's a couple of guys that started vaping shortly before I did that I'm in touch with via a social networking site.

Of the half-dozen of us that are vaping, two are still on the same Kanger/Ego combination that we all started on.

Two have switched to VV/VW mods and different clearos.

And two of us are getting into rebuildables and mechs. I'm one of those two.

And for a slightly different angle:

Each different gauge of wire has a different resistance per foot. Two ohms of 32 gauge is shorter than two ohms of 30 gauge, which is shorter than two ohms of 28 gauge.

Although the resistance is exactly the same for those three varying lengths of wire, they will all heat up (and cool down) at different rates.

Different coil designs heat up at different rates.

Depending on the gauge of wire used, you're exposing more (or less) surface area of the wick to the heat of the wire.

Now, throw in all the wicking variations into the mix - including materials and wick designs, you're looking at possibly hundreds of different ways of vaping that same two ohms.

For me, it's the hobby aspect of it. I enjoy experimenting. Not all of my experiments are a success. But when I DO get it right, it feels oh-so-GOOD!!!

So what am I trying to say in this random ramble? It's all subjective. If you're satisfied with a 2 ohm stock Kanger head in a Protank with an Ego set at 3.7 volts, by all means, stick with it.

Nothing says you HAVE to try anything different. But it's nice to know you can if you want to.

 

[Rickajho]

It sounds like you are experiencing a bout of PVPP - Personal Vaporizer Peer Pressure. You do not buy stuff just because lotso other people are doing it. From your post you understand the issues very plainly. If your hardware is working for you - accept and be happy. That is the whole basis of a good vape experience.

Back in the day everyone was sold on cartos as being the salvation of vaping. My experiences with cartos almost drove me right back to smoking. If I hadn't reverted back to what I knew worked for me I would have quit if cartos were my only option. Both the beauty and the damnation of vaping is the flexibility. Find what works for you, but chasing every conceivable piece of hardware - while you actually have a setup that is working for you - is enough to drive anyone crazy.

When it comes to what you have - finding a good working combination of fixed voltage matched to the right resistance - it's fundamentally the same quest all over again with mech mods and building coils. Except you make things more complicated due to the some times wacky resistance and build possibilities with rebuildables. And it's more complicated because your battery has some type of regulation in there to provide fixed voltage whereas in a mech mod there is no regulation at all.

That is, unless you go the route of installing a variable wartage Kick into the mechanical, in effect turning the mechanical into a hard to adjust variable PV all over again. You know - the thing people wanted to get away from by using a mechanical in the first place.

As I said, you can choose to be as confused or make this as complicated as you want. But if what you have is still working for you... you can just skip all that and stand up to the PVPP.

 

[p.opus]

I did not go into VV/VW because I wanted to play with coils, RBA's, or anything like that.

When I was smoking, my first puff tasted like my last puff. I wanted that consistency with vaping.

With my ego stick I noticed one thing. My vape quality half way through my battery life suffered compared to how it was fresh off the battery.

A non regulated battery lags during discharge. It starts off putting out 4.2 volts and drops down to about 3.6 volts right before it falls off. and needs recharging. .6 volts may not seem like much on paper, but it's effects are very noticeable.

With a good regulated power source like a ProVari, MVP 2, or Itaste VV3, when you dial in the voltage to your desired voltage. You choose 3.7 volts and you get 3.7 volts all the way up till when you have to charge it.

I started with an ego stick, I later got an Itaste vv3. It was an amazing system and it gave my the consistency I wanted. No longer did I worry about my vaping quality going down during the discharge cycle.

I later went to an MVP2 because 2600 mAh allows me to now worry about charging the battery for two full days.

 

[AttyPops]

I'm currently using the same (30 gauge) coil on my RDA that I built over a month ago. Cleaned once in a while.

Not on a mech, but on a VV device. I don't adjust it often, but I like that I can adjust it. And that there's short protection, with consistent regulated voltage .

To each their own. I can always MacGyver a mech if the apocalypse hits...basically simple. So I don't worry about it or needing mega-watt PVs for sub ohm. But that's me.

I do like swappable battery PVs so I only have to change out the battery. I like to be able to build coils because the FDA could ban internet sails of stuff and I'd like to avoid local-shop high-prices for cartos (like BT trying to charge $3.00 per day for a pre-filled...).

Do what works for you. It's all good if it keeps you off the stinkies.

 

[Barbara21]

I agree with the OP.

I can't get into the 'this juice tastes best on a 'X' ohm/volt setup while this one tastes best on 'Y' setup', etc. etc. My juices all tastes best (to me) at a standard 3.7 volt, roughly 2.0 ohm setup. Of course, that's probably because that's what I use and juices that taste better at different combinations never would have become my favorites. Which is fine - I'm not interested in adjusting my setup to accommodate different juices, I buy juices that taste good on my setup.

Therefore, though I have a couple VV/VW devices, I never adjust them.

The power output remaining constant on a vv device seems like it should be nice but - to be honest - I can't really tell a difference in my plain generic egos until they're almost depleted. Which is no problem because egos are cheap - I have lots of them - so I just move the topper to a charged battery.

Also, I'm a juice ..... - have 7-8 different flavors going at all times. So either I have 7-8 devices or I'm constantly switching toppers around. Egos are cheap while 7-8 vv devices adds up to serious money. (Besides, using multiple egos mean they never get close to depletion.)

I think what *topper* you use makes a lot more difference in the quality of a vape than what *battery* you use. Specifically, how old/gunked up your coil is.

 

[zoiDman]

This may seem like a silly question to many of you, but I'm honestly wondering.

I'm pretty happy vaping 2ohms at 3.7v, and from what I've read, many people agree that's a pretty good combo. ...


I guess I'm not really understanding the point of VV/VW, or building at different ohms. ...

I also don't understand the giant mods for longer battery life. ...

Right now, I don't understand why I shouldn't just have an ego mini with a 15mm halfling tank in my pocket, a spare battery, wall adapter, and 5ml bottle of juice (in a pouch about the size of a deck of cards) in my bag as backup.

...

There Really Isn't any Right or Wrong when it comes to what to use for an e-Cigarette and Volts/Ohms. And it Really Doesn't Matter what everyone else is Using.

The Only thing that matters is the You like what your Using. That is what is Important.

I didn't try a VV when they First started to appear. I was Perfectly Happy using a Fixed Voltage eGo. But once I did try a VV, there was No Going Back.

Because VV gave me the Flexibility to Adjust the way the Hit Taste, by adjusting the Voltage, for a Given e-Liquid Flavor. Or a Given time of Day.

As for Humungous Mods using Large Batteries and Giant Tanks. That one I'm with you.

I like Small, Compact Mods. Even when I'm at home. Some of the Mods I see people using look like they would be Better Suited for Parking an Airplane than Vaping But that gets backs to what They Like. More than what I Like.

If I was you I would Pick Up a Vision Spinner 650mAh VV and see what all the Fuss is fore yourself. It has a Nice Size and the Price isn't going to Break the Bank.

And if you don't like VV, well, Ca Sara Sara. But at least you will know First Hand.

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Happy New Year

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

Trying to explain the advantages of a VV/VW mod is one thing. Experiencing the advantages is another.

It's akin to explaining what water tastes like to someone that's never tasted water. It's only after experiencing the difference will you truly understand.

BTW, I felt like the folks that have explained it here did a good job with that.

 

[KC0YNU]

like Roadkill said
you have to experience vv/vw to know if it is for you or not.

I tried a vv ego and found juice i liked was better at a different voltage setting.
now am looking for a MVP in order to avoid the"rattle snake effect"from other vv/vw lower priced rigs.

hope this info from a 3 month vaper helps


VAPE ON !!!!!!!

 

[tj99959]

To answer the OP's question; not all flavorings have the same flash point. You might be surprised by what's lurking is some of those juices if you would change the voltage by a tenth or two.

Then there's different strokes for different folks. Just because you like 2 ohms at 3.7v doesn't mean that the next guy can't like 2 ohms at 3.8v. Actually I'm lovin' this 2 ohm coil at 4.4v for this NicQuid "Soho" I've been vaping this morning. If I start dripping some "grape lime rickey" later on, I'll probably drop the voltage down a notch or two.

 

[Vaslovik]

To put it as simply as I can, when I went to mechs and sub-ohm RBA's what I loved most aside from the flavor was the immediacy of the vapor production. Push that button and it happens RIGHT NOW.

No holding the button down and sucking until the coil heats up and you get vapor, it's there instantly.

 

[Ld3441]

Just get a provari

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

Just get a provari

And there's another good message! I don't own a Provari and I may never feel I have the need but I'm willing to bet that those that own a Provari know something that I don't and I'm quite willing to admit that.

It wasn't that long ago that I was absolutely sure that the Evods were all that I'd EVER need.

 

[Ryedan]

It sounds like you are experiencing a bout of PVPP - Personal Vaporizer Peer Pressure.

A new acronym! Not that we really need anymore around here but I like this one. Or maybe PVSS .. Personal Vaporizer Shiny Syndrome? Nope, I like yours better

As I said, you can choose to be as confused or make this as complicated as you want. But if what you have is still working for you... you can just skip all that and stand up to the PVPP.

IMO this sums up the whole thread perfectly in two sentences

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

IMO this sums up the whole thread perfectly in two sentences

I totally agree!