cheap nicotine/pg

[Eclectic_Current]

Tarzan,

Yes it seems like a very thorough and detailed research. Yesterday, elsewhere on this site, I posted this which very much relates to the discussion in this thread:

So, Health Canada has instantly created a whole new class of contraband (Nic carts and Liqs ) but is not able to prevent the hardware from being imported ( Li-Ion Batts + MicroElectronics modules? ) which this thread has anyway demonstrated are legal for now. But even if the hardware were made illegal it would get thru customs i'm guessing if using neutral description as bracketed. So what's going to happen ?

People are going to resort to home made liquid brews after all the exact recipe and proportions of different ingredients for the different strengths of Cart are given on page 22 of the New Zealand Health research report in public domain. The only at-all difficult item to obtain is pure Nicotine which I doubt chemical companies will sell to private individuals, it being a toxin and all.

Health Canada should be more worried that this might start happening with variable rates of success creating a much worse health threat if people start atempting to harvest nicotine from easily available and legal nicotine containing products resulting in risky, utterly untested concoctions of unknown purity and strengths containing gawd knows what impurities.

This might be just the argument we need to make with legislators to get them to accept the above quoted research as an acceptable, preliminary validation of safety to allow sales to continue ( with labeling and no medical claims ) while urgent clinical trials are undertaken.​

 

[Tarzan]

But the eagerness to ban e-cigarettes in favour of real cigarettes betrays a fundamental disregard for human life, not to mention civil liberty. I doubt these pathological personalities running your country would care much about the outcome of any clinical trials.

Either way an e-cigarette isn't exactly high-tech in principle. It's a battery, a switch, and a heating element. You can easily make an equivalent device out of readily available parts.

 

[luvmyvapor]

Interesting thread. I have just started some experimenting and have been enjoying my new EVO.
Anyway, I found this company that sells pharmaceutical grade nicotine products. It's late and I haven't researched it further but frankly I would be more comfortable in dealing with a US company.
I'll check on it a little more and talk to an old friend of mine, a Phd in Chemistry.
L

 

[luvmyvapor]

Interesting thread. I have just started some experimenting and have been enjoying my new EVO.
Anyway, I found this company that sells pharmaceutical grade nicotine products. It's late and I haven't researched it further but frankly I would be more comfortable in dealing with a US company.
I'll check on it a little more and talk to an old friend of mine, a Phd in Chemistry.
L

oops - the company is in Ireland - that might work

 

[_TJ_]

oops - the company is in Ireland - that might work

Thank you for this. I'm trying to stock up as frugally as possible.
Have to be ready for the Zombiepocalypse.

 

[Denni]

Once more since the DIY nic-extraction thread has gone quiet:

what about patches? One patch contains 114mg of nicotine. My thought was to wipe off the glue with mail varnish remover, let it evaporate and then float on 10 ml (or less) 90% PG/VG water mix. Squeeze and discard patch (Attempt this at your own risk and wear gloves!)

Any thoughts?

In the ideal world, I'd just continue to buy the liquid of course.

 

[Kendra]

Well, I asked them about ordering when this thread first started and received a response today. It said:

Hi

We wanted to thank you for visiting our website on March 28th, expressing interest in placing online orders.
Due to the nature of the products we sell, we require your first order to be placed over the phone, either by
credit card or pre-paid check, so we can establish your company account. We will then link it to your online
porfile so that future orders may be placed on our website. If someone from ........ has already contacted you regarding this, please disregard. Otherwise, you can call us at ......... If you already have an account with ......... and you want to place orders on our web site call us when you are ready to place the order and let the representative know that you want to be set up for web ordering, she can forward your information to the correct department after she is finished with your order.

There is no minimum amount to spend.

Thank you,

...........

I used to assist in a chemistry lab, but I'm not a chemist and this is not my field. Still, I do understand safety precautions, etc. I am not eager to try this, mind you, but with complete protective gear (eyes, gloves, coat, etc. and well-ventilated area blowing away from me) I feel comfortable I could do it. Not that I'd want to or am looking forward to it!

Anyways, I didn't call her back because what would I say, really? That I have no certifications but want to make some eliquid in my kitchen? I really don't know what I would say to her without her thinking I'm crazy.

I remember reading about chloroform, too, recently (the Casey Anthony case). There was a lot of news about this and some of the newscasters said that even though the online sources said you had to be affiliated with a lab, you really didn't have to at all. A few of them called and ordered it without any lab info, school info, etc.

 

[MARK4567]

All it says in what you posted is "company" nothing about a lab.....

 

[Nick O'Teen]

All it says in what you posted is "company" nothing about a lab.....

I don't know if you're in the UK or the US, but here's my angle on it from the UK.

You don't have to be a lab, and a UK company doesn't have to be registered - you can call yourself anything you like as a sole trader. I had an account with them 10 years ago, and they were happy to supply toxic and mutagenic agents for my kitchen table tissue culturing (I still have a few grams of colchichine kicking around somewhere.) I was genuinely breeding and selling specialist plants, but I don't suppose they'd notice if you weren't.

HOWEVER, I would NOT recommend dealing with pure nicotine in any quantities under any non-lab conditions. They're sure to sell dilute solutions, or they can blend a solution to your specs (but they won't, under any circumstances, supply anything they think is for human consumption.)

If I was going to do it (and I'm not,) I'd open a business bank account payments can be wired from, in an impressive-sounding name of your "business". Then I'd ask them for a 5% nicotine solution in PG, for my research into the development of specialist insecticides/nicotine modulation of stress-related peptide neurons in mice/ interaction of nicotinic and GABAergic systems in the central amygdala of rats/any other crap that comes up in a couple of minutes googling (not that the telephonist will want to know.)

That should give a 50mg superstrength liquid that can be cut with flavourings and still deliver 34mg in the finished product.
The nicotine will cost a bit more that way, but it's still a helluva lot cheaper than Chinese juice. Don't try to save a few more pennies on the pint by risking the lives of everyone in your house insisting on getting hold of 99% pure nicotine - it really isn't worth it.

Usual disclaimers apply. YMMV in other countries. You're on your own if you go for it.

 

[luvmyvapor]

I got the same reply as Kendra when checking ............ I was thinking of being pretty frank with them if I did decide to call. Most likely they would have someone willing to answer questions. But likewise I'm not sure I want to build a chem lab so I'll just go back to buying retail and try to trust the source (not that easy with the recent China import issues).
L

 

[Kendra]

I don't know if you're in the UK or the US, but here's my angle on it from the UK.

You don't have to be a lab, and a UK company doesn't have to be registered - you can call yourself anything you like as a sole trader. I had an account with them 10 years ago, and they were happy to supply toxic and mutagenic agents for my kitchen table tissue culturing (I still have a few grams of colchichine kicking around somewhere.) I was genuinely breeding and selling specialist plants, but I don't suppose they'd notice if you weren't.

HOWEVER, I would NOT recommend dealing with pure nicotine in any quantities under any non-lab conditions. They're sure to sell dilute solutions, or they can blend a solution to your specs (but they won't, under any circumstances, supply anything they think is for human consumption.)

If I was going to do it (and I'm not,) I'd open a business bank account payments can be wired from, in an impressive-sounding name of your "business". Then I'd ask them for a 5% nicotine solution in PG, for my research into the development of specialist insecticides/nicotine modulation of stress-related peptide neurons in mice/ interaction of nicotinic and GABAergic systems in the central amygdala of rats/any other crap that comes up in a couple of minutes googling (not that the telephonist will want to know.)

That should give a 50mg superstrength liquid that can be cut with flavourings and still deliver 34mg in the finished product.
The nicotine will cost a bit more that way, but it's still a helluva lot cheaper than Chinese juice. Don't try to save a few more pennies on the pint by risking the lives of everyone in your house insisting on getting hold of 99% pure nicotine - it really isn't worth it.

Usual disclaimers apply. YMMV in other countries. You're on your own if you go for it.

Oh, I'm not brave enough to do it. But, if eLiquid does become unavailable, I will be calling them and saying exactly what you said to say and I'd order it diluted.

 

[Tarzan]

It appears my 100 mL of liquid from Eastmall made it through UK customs. And it's waiting for me at the post office now! Woo! So 7 days delivery, that isn't too bad. Only complaint would be it was shipped to the invoice address, not the delivery address I specified, but that sort of mixup is normal for Internet purchases. I'll add more once I've collected the liquid today.

 

[luvmyvapor]

I might have missed it but I have a question about the definition of nicotine in e-liquid.
So if I have 100ml of 36mg e-liquid, is that a 36 to 1000 ratio? or?
The mathematical part of my brain is on vacation or something.

 

[the88thcrazy]

I might have missed it but I have a question about the definition of nicotine in e-liquid.
So if I have 100ml of 36mg e-liquid, is that a 36 to 1000 ratio? or?
The mathematical part of my brain is on vacation or something.

36mg e-liquid means 36mg per ml pg.

a 100 ml bottle of 36mg liquid contains 3600 mg of nicotine, or a 36 to 10,000 ratio

i...think...

it depends on the g/ml density of pg

 

[Tarzan]

I picked up the liquid at the post office now. Seven day delivery, all the way from China to England with no problems. The package hadn't even been opened in customs.

The liquid is unflavoured, so not much to say about the taste, other than it's not unpleasant or "chemical", as one might fear. The smell is unremarkable, too. It's meant to be 36 mg, and definitely feels like much higher nic content than the 18 mg I'm used to, so that's reassuring.

I don't have glycerine yet, so I haven't experimented a whole lot, but I tried a bit of undiluted liquid with peppermint, and another little bit with almond essence. The former certainly works but is a little bland. The latter gives a really nice marzipan aftertaste, but is a little unpleasant when it's first inhaled. I guess finding the perfect recipe will take a while, but anyway the point is I can't see anything wrong with the e-liquid itself.

Eastmall also do sample packs of flavoured liquid with 20 ml each of five different flavours, at $50 US a pack. I might try one of those. It's lower nic content than the unflavoured juice I bought, so less economic, but still cheaper than what's available from UK suppliers.

 

[Kendra]

I might have missed it but I have a question about the definition of nicotine in e-liquid.
So if I have 100ml of 36mg e-liquid, is that a 36 to 1000 ratio? or?
The mathematical part of my brain is on vacation or something.

It is 3.6 ml per 100 ml, or 3.6%.

Ratio 3.6:100

 

[luvmyvapor]

The reason I'm asking is just in case it gets difficult to get supplied I might be able to mix my own. But because I still can't confirm the ratio, dunno. I guess is depends on the mg of liquid nicotine concentration that you are going to use.

Milligram = A unit of mass or weight in the metric system equal to 0.001 gram.
Milliliter = A unit of liquid volume or capacity in the metric system equal to 0.001 liter.
1 dram = 3.697ml

 

[luvmyvapor]

The density of (-)-Nicotine as a liquid at 20 °C is 1.010 g/mL.

 

[Tarzan]

I'm working under the assumption that the "mg" unit used on e-liquid products means "mg/ml". Nothing else really makes sense, but yes, implied units of measurement are always annoying.

 

[Kendra]

Tarzan, what you would do is measure out 3.6 ml of liquid and put that amount into 100 ml of glycerine or pg. That's the ratio. The actual weight of it is not what they're talking about-- they are talking about volume. The volume ratio is 3.6 milliliters to 100 milliliters, or 3.6 parts to 100 parts.

If you bought pure nicotine (which is very very very poisonous), you'd measure the 3.6 ml of that with a syringe and put the amount from the syringe into a bottle of 100 ml pg or glycerine. Then you would dispose of the needle and the gloves and other protective clothing and everything else because you couldn't even TOUCH it.

I ponder this, too, but I know even making a small mistake could kill me, so it's not something I'm planning on doing.