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Basilor

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Looks like he would get at least two sales...! :laugh:

Hehe, I might be able to place that big order for spinners and T3's sitting in my cart after all.

Like I said to Raynes, anyone interested pm me. I will do an inventory this weekend of all colors and sizes. It is screenprinted using textured inks.

But since this is not a selling thread, but a chit chat thread.......I now return you to the discussion of horses and snow.

Mark
 

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Here's a good place to start on ECF. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html There's lots of info on ECF, and I took a long time reading up on it all. Then I researched the Internet farther afield about the substances believed to be in cigarettes but not in the ordinary e-liquid. It took days, weeks, of reading. You may not want to go through that all, and I'm not sure I want to do it all again. I didn't save all the info, so I'd have to look up huge volumes of info again. I thought that since you're a nurse, you probably know more about this stuff than the rest of us.
OK I read the info which was very enlightening after I looked up all this substances. WTA's are alkaloids and this is what each one is broken down into:
Nornicotine-carcinogenic couldn't find where it really did anything
Anabasine-nicotine acetycholine receptor agonist-which means that it can block nerve transmission causing asystole (can stop the heart)
Anatabine-shows a promise in treating antiinflammatory disease and Alzheimer's ---it is a GOOD alkaloid when broken down.
Myosmine- this alkaloid is why some ppl don't get satisfied with a nicotine fix-When its broken down it acts as a stimulant such as ephedra and its addictive counterpart --........
Nitrosatin and Nitrosonornicotine are both carcinogens.
Now the MAOs-there are two classes of these--MAO-A inhibitors are anti-depressants and anti-anxiety chemicals they keep the good neurotransmitters serotonin and dopamine where they need to be within the nerve cell.Serotonin and Dopamine are natural and also synthetic.Prolonged stress CAN cause a decrease of these chemicals and what we do is draw labs to see which neurotransmitter could be low so think of these as a supplement. MAO's are the LAST resort synthetic antidepressants with foods containing tyranine(sp?) it can be fatal.
The MAO-B transmitters they think are linked to mental illnesses esp schizophrenia.
That takes care of the physiological part as to why some people don't succeed with just nicotine,but IMO there is more to it than that,and that's the mind itself. If it was all physiological then why can some people go through withdrawals cold turkey and substitute life savors or gum and are successful? Why doesn't the nicotine patch or gum work for us instead of the ecig?
As far as schizophrenia goes and for those of you that are interested you REALLY need to see the movie "A Beautiful Mind" its a true story about a college professor who has schizophrenia. I have that video and watch it often.Its inspiring with a happy ending.
 

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The thing that gets me about this storm, Nemo (I think we may find Nemo between today and tomorrow), is the media frenzy it's causing. This morning , the local news was all "dramatic remotes" of salt being loaded, brine being loaded, plows being installed and trucks going out to battle this "terrible' storm. Problem was it was just sprinkling a little rain. I'm sure we'll get some snow, maybe a lot of snow, and folks north of here will be getting a whole lot of snow, but that's happened before, pre global warming, and will undoubtedly happen again.

One thing I always wonder about is where all the snow shovels go from the last storms? Another favorite "dramatic remote" is at the local Home Depot or Lowes. They love to show the empty snow shovel racks. What the heck do people do with their snow shovels, throw them out 'cause they're used? I still have the same two snow shovels I bought ten years ago and they still work fine. Beats me, but then again I'm a cynic by nature :)
 

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The thing that gets me about this storm, Nemo (I think we may find Nemo between today and tomorrow), is the media frenzy it's causing. This morning , the local news was all "dramatic remotes" of salt being loaded, brine being loaded, plows being installed and trucks going out to battle this "terrible' storm. Problem was it was just sprinkling a little rain. I'm sure we'll get some snow, maybe a lot of snow, and folks north of here will be getting a whole lot of snow, but that's happened before, pre global warming, and will undoubtedly happen again.

One thing I always wonder about is where all the snow shovels go from the last storms? Another favorite "dramatic remote" is at the local Home Depot or Lowes. They love to show the empty snow shovel racks. What the heck do people do with their snow shovels, throw them out 'cause they're used? I still have the same two snow shovels I bought ten years ago and they still work fine. Beats me, but then again I'm a cynic by nature :)

Do the shovels up there come in different colors? Maybe a fashion statement thing or maybe they are trying to find that tailored,custom fit handle without having to put it to use. Or MAYBE its a conspiracy by Lowe's striking fear into your hearts getting folks to feel there is a shovel shortage so people feel they have to pay a higher price OR build igloos. My favorite theory is kids throwing the shovels away in hopes there will be a shovel shortage so they won't have to work
 

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If I remember correctly, "A Beautiful Mind" is loosely based an the real professor and what he suffered with. Raynes, I know you're not an expert, but you are compared to me anyway, is schizophrenia at that level linked to high intelligence or is there any evidence that it may be?
 

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OK I read the info which was very enlightening after I looked up all this substances. WTA's are alkaloids and this is what each one is broken down into:
Nornicotine-carcinogenic couldn't find where it really did anything
Anabasine-nicotine acetycholine receptor agonist-which means that it can block nerve transmission causing asystole (can stop the heart)
Anatabine-shows a promise in treating antiinflammatory disease and Alzheimer's ---it is a GOOD alkaloid when broken down.
Myosmine- this alkaloid is why some ppl don't get satisfied with a nicotine fix-When its broken down it acts as a stimulant such as ephedra and its addictive counterpart --........
Nitrosatin and Nitrosonornicotine are both carcinogens.
Now the MAOs-there are two classes of these--MAO-A inhibitors are anti-depressants and anti-anxiety chemicals they keep the good neurotransmitters serotonin and dopamine where they need to be within the nerve cell.Serotonin and Dopamine are natural and also synthetic.Prolonged stress CAN cause a decrease of these chemicals and what we do is draw labs to see which neurotransmitter could be low so think of these as a supplement. MAO's are the LAST resort synthetic antidepressants with foods containing tyranine(sp?) it can be fatal.
The MAO-B transmitters they think are linked to mental illnesses esp schizophrenia.
That takes care of the physiological part as to why some people don't succeed with just nicotine,but IMO there is more to it than that,and that's the mind itself. If it was all physiological then why can some people go through withdrawals cold turkey and substitute life savors or gum and are successful? Why doesn't the nicotine patch or gum work for us instead of the ecig?
As far as schizophrenia goes and for those of you that are interested you REALLY need to see the movie "A Beautiful Mind" its a true story about a college professor who has schizophrenia. I have that video and watch it often.Its inspiring with a happy ending.

I could never understand why over the years I tried and tried so hard to quit smoking and just couldn't. And the depressions would get so bad.....I blamed myself and figured I just must be undisciplined until I tried the Chantrix.....and when you go off that you want to die, but that's another story....when I tried the Chantrix and read up on it and read about how it alters the dopamine flow (makes you a zombie but you don't want to smoke), that's when I stopped beating myself up and realized this was not my fault anymore than a diabetic's fault for needing insulin. The cigarettes somehow must make the dopamine and other things flow in my brain and I had been smoking so long my body wouldn't produce on its own anymore....my theory anyway. Then I got mad at the media and medical community and everyone that make smokers feel like 2nd class citizens and for not reporting the truth....and not doing the necessary research to help us like they help everyone else. You wouldn't tell a diabetic, oh well you caused this yourself by the way you eat....here you can have this insulin for 6 weeks, no more and you just better be well by then.....so, the people who can't quit....it's not your fault. It's that your brain doesn't work right and the things in cigarettes make it work.
Even now. 6 months in. Had to go to the Dr. with extreme anxiety and some depression. She gave me a script and it has been helping alot. She said she was glad I was using the e-cigs, too.
 

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The thing that gets me about this storm, Nemo (I think we may find Nemo between today and tomorrow), is the media frenzy it's causing. This morning , the local news was all "dramatic remotes" of salt being loaded, brine being loaded, plows being installed and trucks going out to battle this "terrible' storm. Problem was it was just sprinkling a little rain. I'm sure we'll get some snow, maybe a lot of snow, and folks north of here will be getting a whole lot of snow, but that's happened before, pre global warming, and will undoubtedly happen again.

One thing I always wonder about is where all the snow shovels go from the last storms? Another favorite "dramatic remote" is at the local Home Depot or Lowes. They love to show the empty snow shovel racks. What the heck do people do with their snow shovels, throw them out 'cause they're used? I still have the same two snow shovels I bought ten years ago and they still work fine. Beats me, but then again I'm a cynic by nature :)

I'm sorry I was complaining about the measly 3 inches of snow we got here :( .....I'll say prayers for you all on the east coast.
 

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It seems to me that "The Media" now tends to over hype almost everything. In the "old days" of 3 channel TV all they ever said was that a snow storm is coming. I remember growing up in Baltimore County, just outside of the city limits in a typical small town suburb. We would get "feet" of snow, no big deal. I would shovel from morning till night and earn big money maybe $50 WOW. In those days that was huge. People would put on snow chains themselves or at a local garage and drive everywhere with rear wheel drive. Schools only closed if you had more than a foot of snow. I guess now there are many more people and more TV stations to hype these storms. I do not think they are any worse that those of the 40s or 50s. Back then we knew how to cope better.
 

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If I remember correctly, "A Beautiful Mind" is loosely based an the real professor and what he suffered with. Raynes, I know you're not an expert, but you are compared to me anyway, is schizophrenia at that level linked to high intelligence or is there any evidence that it may be?
No,I'm no expert compared to anyone. People with super high IQ's college students are prone those that go into engineering,high achievers. As far as evidence,I can only go by what I have seen. The last college patient was 22yrs old and already NASA was wanting him he was brilliant. Already had one degree in engineering,never made less than straight A's and had already written several accredited papers. So sad. I wonder at that age if he ever had a real childhood
 

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Heck Rabbit, now they close school IF there is a chance of snow, then again if there's a school bus accident they'd get sued so maybe it's for the best given our litigious society.

I wonder if that "lack of childhood" helps increase the odds of schizophrenia or other problems. One of my take aways from "A Beautiful Mind" is that the problem is so complex and we have such little real knowledge finding a cause or cure is a long way off.
 

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It seems to me that "The Media" now tends to over hype almost everything. In the "old days" of 3 channel TV all they ever said was that a snow storm is coming. I remember growing up in Baltimore County, just outside of the city limits in a typical small town suburb. We would get "feet" of snow, no big deal. I would shovel from morning till night and earn big money maybe $50 WOW. In those days that was huge. People would put on snow chains themselves or at a local garage and drive everywhere with rear wheel drive. Schools only closed if you had more than a foot of snow. I guess now there are many more people and more TV stations to hype these storms. I do not think they are any worse that those of the 40s or 50s. Back then we knew how to cope better.

I grew up in the mountains of West Virginia. When winter arrived, Dad would always go up into the attic and retrieve the snow tires for our cars. He would then take a Saturday and drive to the tire shop and have the snow treads mounted for his and my mom's cars.

The local TV stations rarely talked about the storms, unless it caused wrecks or power outages. Normally it was left to the weather forecast. I cannot recall a single time where my mom ran out prior to a storm to stock up on milk and toilet paper.
 

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I could never understand why over the years I tried and tried so hard to quit smoking and just couldn't. And the depressions would get so bad.....I blamed myself and figured I just must be undisciplined until I tried the Chantrix.....and when you go off that you want to die, but that's another story....when I tried the Chantrix and read up on it and read about how it alters the dopamine flow (makes you a zombie but you don't want to smoke), that's when I stopped beating myself up and realized this was not my fault anymore than a diabetic's fault for needing insulin. The cigarettes somehow must make the dopamine and other things flow in my brain and I had been smoking so long my body wouldn't produce on its own anymore....my theory anyway. Then I got mad at the media and medical community and everyone that make smokers feel like 2nd class citizens and for not reporting the truth....and not doing the necessary research to help us like they help everyone else. You wouldn't tell a diabetic, oh well you caused this yourself by the way you eat....here you can have this insulin for 6 weeks, no more and you just better be well by then.....so, the people who can't quit....it's not your fault. It's that your brain doesn't work right and the things in cigarettes make it work.
Even now. 6 months in. Had to go to the Dr. with extreme anxiety and some depression. She gave me a script and it has been helping alot. She said she was glad I was using the e-cigs, too.
Dwi some people are more prone to addiction than others. If I were to do a personality test on everyone of us I bet the results would come back we were OCD (factoring out the addiction factor)
I'm glad that you are using e-cigs to. Your anxiety level must be bad for you to seek help. Mine got really bad to one time felt like I wanted to jump out of my skin,mind racing,body so tired but couldn't relax.It happens and its OK.I found that just finding someone to listen helped me a lot.
 

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I grew up in the mountains of West Virginia. When winter arrived, Dad would always go up into the attic and retrieve the snow tires for our cars. He would then take a Saturday and drive to the tire shop and have the snow treads mounted for his and my mom's cars.

The local TV stations rarely talked about the storms, unless it caused wrecks or power outages. Normally it was left to the weather forecast. I cannot recall a single time where my mom ran out prior to a storm to stock up on milk and toilet paper.
Tail I never understood the reasoning down here in the south of all the things folks stock up on its bread and milk. Canned meats,beans galore stocked to the roof and you couldn't find a gal.of milk or a loaf of bread if your life depended on it. When I was a kid I asked about it and not even my Grandparents knew,it MUST be a southern tradition.
 
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