CHIT CHAT in VOLTVILLE
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This makes me madder beyond comprehension. Not only is SteelJan choosing to leave (her choice) but someone else is telling everyone. Alot of respect has been lost.
http://youtu.be/jpT5FBN4Cso
It's not gonna happen. However, another vid:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
has another reviewer standing up for SteelJan and against the stupidity.
It's not exactly eloquent, but I think he's nailed the problem
I hope to see more reviewers do this. Unfortunately, it's really up to the subscribers to not put up with that kind of behavior.
Disclaimer: The vid is a bit crude at times, but the guy's heart is in the right place.
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I do not blame her one bit for leaving in this manner. Been there, done that, and I know what she is feeling at this time.
Jan has given so much through her videos to me, that I will very much miss her. This entire situation was bad, and people just don't get it. The internet is not the place for anonymous bashing. It is not the place for bullying. Cyber bullying has killed in the past, just as personal bullying has. It's wrong, and the hurt can't be taken back. Agree to disagree, but hateful, spiteful, and downright vulgar bashing is truly disgusting to me, and I only wish I had the means to make these people understand just how wrong they are, and not because of any original "subject" or "review." This became personal, and threatening.
I hope she'll be ok. I will miss her, and I believe the community has lost a good friend. I'm hoping that perhaps an organization for the advancement and safety of vaping or a well-known, respected company (SI, hint) will offer to host her as a consultant, so we may once again benefit from her insights and help push vaping into the real eye of the public as a viable and perhaps life-saving alternative to smoking tobacco products.
/salute Jan
/hug Jan
Jan has given so much through her videos to me, that I will very much miss her. This entire situation was bad, and people just don't get it. The internet is not the place for anonymous bashing. It is not the place for bullying. Cyber bullying has killed in the past, just as personal bullying has. It's wrong, and the hurt can't be taken back. Agree to disagree, but hateful, spiteful, and downright vulgar bashing is truly disgusting to me, and I only wish I had the means to make these people understand just how wrong they are, and not because of any original "subject" or "review." This became personal, and threatening.
I hope she'll be ok. I will miss her, and I believe the community has lost a good friend. I'm hoping that perhaps an organization for the advancement and safety of vaping or a well-known, respected company (SI, hint) will offer to host her as a consultant, so we may once again benefit from her insights and help push vaping into the real eye of the public as a viable and perhaps life-saving alternative to smoking tobacco products.
/salute Jan
/hug Jan
No, no - Don't be angry about this. She is Jan's close friend and is doing this for her.
Because they can be. The Internet allows us to be anonymous, should we choose. For some people that is an invitation to "act out". Probably something they could not do in Real Life. Talk like that in Real Life and someone will eventually (if not repeatedly) hand you your ....
These people have the desire to show others how 'tough' they are or that they are 'smarter' than someone else.
It boils down to lack of consequences. This is the kind of behavior you get from some people who know that they can not be held responsible for any of their actions online.
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I tend to agree that people pick on someone thinking it makes them stronger somehow. It's a very twisted way to think, but it seems fairly widespread.
Another related question is why people gang up on someone. I think when someone who their cohorts respect or who they consider powerful is offended by something, then those cohorts just follow along without question. People tend to not think for themselves but just follow the herd. So once someone objected to her video, others just jumped on the bandwagon without giving it a lot of thought. They may not have even noticed any offense if that one person didn't bring it up to them.
Think how we'd behave if someone got on this list and then started putting down the Volts we love so much or questioning the accuracy of the info Imagine gives us about the products. We'd jump on that person without hesitation out of loyalty. Maybe something like that happened when someone brought up that she was referring to a certain other reviewer, not making a general statement.
The moral of the story is, before you get worked up about something someone else you consider a friend is worked up about, give the issue some independent thought. Don't defend someone you know and like or identify with until you are sure you independently believe in the issue, too.
I think you won't see one. They may feel perfectly justified and think SteelJan is just a hysterical old lady or something of the sort. I bet they are justifying themselves somehow, anyway.
I think the reason her friend spoke for her is because she didn't want to break down like she did in the last video. It probably hurts too much, but she and her friend and maybe others felt her fans needed an explanation. I don't lose respect for her that her friend was the one to tell us. I think it shows us how much she's hurting.
Holy smokes! (no pun intended) I clicked the link to SteelJan channel and there's a new video that says Goodbye, and her friend is on it explaining why. Just posted a few minutes ago and I haven't yet finished watching it.
This is the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard of. The people that pushed this reaction from her should be ashamed. They have pushed out a person that truly cared about being helpful. And did it in a most informative way... This is really sad...
Nice rule of thumb: Before you post something, pretend that your parents were going to read it too (and know it came from you).
--If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, don't post it either. [That's a really good rule for emails too]
--I can say whatever I want. That doesn't mean that I should say whatever I want.
*the squirrel scampers off the soapbox*
--If you wouldn't say something to someone's face, don't post it either. [That's a really good rule for emails too]
--I can say whatever I want. That doesn't mean that I should say whatever I want.
*the squirrel scampers off the soapbox*
He was a bit crude, but his heart's in the right place. He's not PC about it, but I agree with him in substance.
today is a very sad day
You're right. And the weather is in accord. It's a cold rain, and I have to go to the barn with some stuff -- medication Penny has run out of -- and I'm not looking forward to going out in the weather. I'll probably just drop off the stuff and turn around and come home. Then, tomorrow, which is supposed to be nicer weather, I'll go back to the barn. The hoof trimmer said I can start riding Penny now, and I'm eager to see how it goes. So tomorrow will be a better day.
You are not that anonymous like you think you are. If you press charges on that one youtube is forced by the authorities to give up IP adresses of those users. Then the police get's adresses and names of those users (by the net operators etc) and they are ....ed up.
Everything is logged anyway. Same goes for emails.
The smart hackers know how to hide and i'm pretty sure those idiots have a lower IQ from my toaster.
Yes, but you'd have to prove a criminal charge before anyone could get at your records. If there were physical threats (and SteelJan wanted to pursue it) she might be able to get the identity of the person. Might.
TK - that is an excellent soapbox to stand on. You should lend it out to others so they can get that perspective...
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