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[Raynes]

You used the phrase perfectly correctly, and I'm not offended. I was just explaining its origins, and then got sidetracked into my personal thoughts on free horses. Someone just told me about more free horses. They are all mature and were never broken to ride. I can't understand how people can keep a horse till it's in its teens and never train it, then expect someone else to want it, even if it's free. With the economy like it is now, this is coming up a lot. I think it's irresponsible to breed horses and then just let them languish in the pasture all their life. If, for some reason, you can't afford the horse anymore, then who else would want it? Maybe in some past time when horses were more in demand, it might get an owner, but these days, horses are being given away a lot because their owners can't afford to feed them any longer. What will happen to all these older, untrained horses?

I can answer this and if Blues were here I'm sure he would agree, First of all the problems arises with backyard breeders,then you have people who love horses have no idea how to train and rescue them,they can't afford trainers b/c most of them WORK to take care of the horses.To them its a labor of love. They thought they had job security and the resources to care for them.Some of my friends and neighbors fall in this category. They weren't breeding horses,just trying to save them from being slaughtered.
Bottom line is this-- the reason there are so many unwanted animals is b/c irresponsible animal owners refuse to spay,neuter,and geld.
As to answer your question about older and untrained horses-- they go to the slaughter house along with the other much loved horses that people can no longer take care of UNLESS they can find someone who has room for "just one more" .

 

[Raynes]

I have seen what a Pittbull can do. As big as Bo and my Rotts are I don't want to know what their bites would look like much less experience them. Ugo sometimes helps me tote wood in,its nothing for him to grab a big stick of split wood and carry it in. He thinks its grand.

 

[SandySu]

I can answer this and if Blues were here I'm sure he would agree, First of all the problems arises with backyard breeders,then you have people who love horses have no idea how to train and rescue them,they can't afford trainers b/c most of them WORK to take care of the horses.To them its a labor of love. They thought they had job security and the resources to care for them.Some of my friends and neighbors fall in this category. They weren't breeding horses,just trying to save them from being slaughtered.
Bottom line is this-- the reason there are so many unwanted animals is b/c irresponsible animal owners refuse to spay,neuter,and geld.
As to answer your question about older and untrained horses-- they go to the slaughter house along with the other much loved horses that people can no longer take care of UNLESS they can find someone who has room for "just one more" .

You're right. I've known a few backyard breeders. They are living a delusion -- or they were till the economy woke them up. They bred a few foals every year so they could tell people they were horse breeders, I think. And then they never worked with the foals and so, even if the foals were well-bred, people didn't want to buy them, and the foals grew up, and still the "breeders" didn't work with them, and pretty soon, the horses were old enough to have foals, so they became broodmares, and on and on it went. One of them was the first place I boarded Penny. The barn owner bred Arabians. She used stallions with good bloodlines, but she had a mare there who was 4 and had hardly been handled since she was a foal. I think that mare had been in some halter classes as a foal, because she was panic-stricken at the sight of a whip. For some crazy reason, even though I was working with Penny, which took up plenty of my time, I started working with this young mare. She was not the clean slate Penny was, or maybe her personality was just different and more difficult. I think her sire or grandsire was Bey Shah, and I heard rumors that his offspring were sort of flighty or something. I never did get on her, but I changed her from a semi-wild mare who had to wear a halter all the time because she was impossible to catch to one that you could walk up to in the pasture, that led decently, and that started to know a little round pen stuff. I'd put Penny and this mare in the round pen together, direct Penny, who knew what to do, and the mare would follow. Sort of like a circus act with the 2 horses going around together. I had no specific experience training horses, though I trained Penny from scratch, but I just used common sense and kindness, and the mare finally was friendly enough that the owner sold her. I did this all the while I earned a living. Granted, I was a freelancer, so I had days free when the weather was nice, but still, I think a person who has a job can find the time to work with their horses if they are motivated enough.

After all, Lizzie is not a pro, and she works cleaning houses and does a lot of stuff at home besides, and she still finds time to work with Wiseguy. Most horses that haven't been abused or scared a lot (like the mare who was afraid of whips, probably from her early showing experience, where they want Arabians to be sort of crazed so they look spirited enough) are really eager to please and will work hard for praise and maybe some treats here and there. I'm amazed all the time at how accommodating horses are in general.

My point is, if you rescue an animal, it's only right to train it correctly so it can go to a good home. Think of the dogs Tail had for a short while. They were untrained, so who would want to adopt them? If they had been well-mannered and behaved themselves and were properly housebroken, and if the owner couldn't keep them, it'd be easier to find them a good home. As it was, Tail couldn't wait to get rid of them.

 

[1st Officer]

We have one of those breeders down the road from us. I think they have 15 or so nice looking Quarter Horses not a saddle broke one in the bunch, the Lady of the farm told me they were her pets. They pay so much attention to them that one day last summer one of the older horses accidentally slipped and fell off the Dam of their pond and was so old and blind he eventually succumbed and drowned. We saw the horse floating on a Saturday and I drove up to tell them and they sure didn't seem overly concerned. Later I was talking to my neighbor and he told me he had called them 4 days before to tell them the same thing. Finally on the following Tuesday they paid a couple of Migrant Workers to drag the poor animal out of the pond. A month ago the SPCA came and took all of the horses (yes) and charged the both of them with animal cruelty and it turns out they had something like 35 cats living in the 4 room farm house with them. They need to put both of them under the jail!

 

[awsum140]

I like animals, but I also know my own limitations with them. Taking care of a dog the size of Bo is enough for both my wife and I to handle. I'd love a horse, but know nothing about them other they that is an expensive hobby that takes a lot of time and knowledge. Usually, once a month or so there's a story on the local news about the SPCA and Animal Control having to go into some house, usually in evirohazard suits just so they can breath, and taking out a large number of cats, dogs and other small animals living in total filth and the property ends up condemned and torn down. I understand people feeling sorry for abandoned animals, I do, but having more than you can take care of properly is worse, in my mind anyway, than letting them wander free. Sometimes, maybe, the person wanting company has something to do with it, but still, there is a limit.

 

[Renolizzie]

How terrible, 1st officer. Poor animals.

It is actually quite the responsibility to take on animals. We have a two dog limit at our house because I can only afford so much in vet bills and we have to pay the rest of our bills. We don't even actually own our house. It would just be irresponsible to take on more animals than we can reasonably afford to take care of. On top of the food and the vet bills and proper shelter, there is the time involved. I have to clean the goat pen at least a couple of times a week. Pick up road apples from Wiseguy's pen almost every day. I am a realist. I would say everyday but once in awhile I skip a day if I don't feel well. That is one day not a week or two. Then, there is washing out the water troughs. And I make sure everyone gets food and check on the water twice a day, every day.

I am not complaining but it is surely something to bear in mind if you want a pet.

We don't have any animals that can have babies because babies are cute for a few months and then they grow up. That means if you want to play with baby animals you have to have more next spring. Just liking how cute baby animals are is not a good reason to have babies. You have to actually like and want to care for the adults that are created from having babies.

Of course, anyone reading this on our little thread would understand that and I haven't got a clue as to how to get irresponsible people to stop with the animals they can't afford and/or don't want to take care of. Jail is certainly a good place for people that refuse to understand that animals are not to be treated cruelly.

 

[Konstantine]

All that makes me feel bad, i once found a dead cockroach in the middle of my house, died from the cold and most probably couldn't find anything to eat...


Roland i started this Battery testing project | Indiegogo Maybe you guys can share the link?

 

[SandySu]

Today's weather was a real mixed bag. One minute it felt like spring might be on its way, and the next minute, it was snowing. In between snow flurries, it was sunny and warmer than it's been recently, hovering just a little above freezing. Then the sun would go behind a cloud, and snowflakes would fall, even sticking to the grass a little. Then the sun would return and melt the snow.

I went to the library today to discuss me being a volunteer there. I adopted a shelf. Actually several shelves -- the children's book section. I can pick my own hours to work, which is nice, since it means I can just go whenever there's nothing else on my schedule -- not that I have such a busy schedule anyway these days. I was advised to avoid the times that there are children's activities, like story hour, but other than that, I can just go and make sure all the books are on the shelves alphabetically and neat looking.

Here's another photo of the local landscape now -- no leaves on the trees yet, the grass isn't real green, but no snow on the ground, either.

 

[Renolizzie]

How fun, SandySu, your very own bookshelves to organize

 

[abracadebra]

You used the phrase perfectly correctly, and I'm not offended. I was just explaining its origins, and then got sidetracked into my personal thoughts on free horses. Someone just told me about more free horses. They are all mature and were never broken to ride. I can't understand how people can keep a horse till it's in its teens and never train it, then expect someone else to want it, even if it's free. With the economy like it is now, this is coming up a lot. I think it's irresponsible to breed horses and then just let them languish in the pasture all their life. If, for some reason, you can't afford the horse anymore, then who else would want it? Maybe in some past time when horses were more in demand, it might get an owner, but these days, horses are being given away a lot because their owners can't afford to feed them any longer. What will happen to all these older, untrained horses?

cool sandy....I should have said,.. don't look a gift banana in the face lol.......but on a serious note......old mate has 40 acres about 5hrs from here...and his so called friend...has left animals on his land...aimlessly roaming...a bull a donkey 2 horses...no care at all...old mate goes up every 2mths or so...his mate was meant to get the animals off over a year ago...I told old mate to call animal rescue....but he wont...cause he dosnt want bad blood between them...so it makes me very angry...also where im living...the neighbour with the big cats who attack alice...also has 2 dogs...one never stops barking...always escapes under her front fence.....craps in our yard on the walk ways....she even had the nerve to steal our rocks from garden beds...to fix up the holes in the fence...

 

[Raynes]

You're right. I've known a few backyard breeders. They are living a delusion -- or they were till the economy woke them up. They bred a few foals every year so they could tell people they were horse breeders, I think. And then they never worked with the foals and so, even if the foals were well-bred, people didn't want to buy them, and the foals grew up, and still the "breeders" didn't work with them, and pretty soon, the horses were old enough to have foals, so they became broodmares, and on and on it went. One of them was the first place I boarded Penny. The barn owner bred Arabians. She used stallions with good bloodlines, but she had a mare there who was 4 and had hardly been handled since she was a foal. I think that mare had been in some halter classes as a foal, because she was panic-stricken at the sight of a whip. For some crazy reason, even though I was working with Penny, which took up plenty of my time, I started working with this young mare. She was not the clean slate Penny was, or maybe her personality was just different and more difficult. I think her sire or grandsire was Bey Shah, and I heard rumors that his offspring were sort of flighty or something. I never did get on her, but I changed her from a semi-wild mare who had to wear a halter all the time because she was impossible to catch to one that you could walk up to in the pasture, that led decently, and that started to know a little round pen stuff. I'd put Penny and this mare in the round pen together, direct Penny, who knew what to do, and the mare would follow. Sort of like a circus act with the 2 horses going around together. I had no specific experience training horses, though I trained Penny from scratch, but I just used common sense and kindness, and the mare finally was friendly enough that the owner sold her. I did this all the while I earned a living. Granted, I was a freelancer, so I had days free when the weather was nice, but still, I think a person who has a job can find the time to work with their horses if they are motivated enough.

After all, Lizzie is not a pro, and she works cleaning houses and does a lot of stuff at home besides, and she still finds time to work with Wiseguy. Most horses that haven't been abused or scared a lot (like the mare who was afraid of whips, probably from her early showing experience, where they want Arabians to be sort of crazed so they look spirited enough) are really eager to please and will work hard for praise and maybe some treats here and there. I'm amazed all the time at how accommodating horses are in general.
My point is, if you rescue an animal, it's only right to train it correctly so it can go to a good home. Think of the dogs Tail had for a short while. They were untrained, so who would want to adopt them? If they had been well-mannered and behaved themselves and were properly housebroken, and if the owner couldn't keep them, it'd be easier to find them a good home. As it was, Tail couldn't wait to get rid of them.

My point is that MOST people that do rescue do their best to train these animals,they WANT them to go to good homes. Then you have rescuers like myself that take horses that are more difficult. Still things happen beyond a person's control like the economy. Its not fair to say that all people who rescue do not try to train their animals. Point in case,I have a good friend that leased a Thoroughbred facility just so she could rescue foals. Someone bought the place so she had to sale out. She had 25 foals and 6 PMU broodmares and a month to try to find homes for them and she couldn't. That was not her fault. There are a lot of people finding themselves in that situation.

 

[BWhare]

Thanks BWhare, I have been watching video's of the China GG or KTS Telescope same device. I also have found that the tubes are very thin brass, chrome plated and gold colored. The battery spring again seems to be a problem area. It is very small and the fire button sometimes heats up. Why manufacturers can't develop a MOD that just WORKS I do not know. Test, retest and retest, then build and sell. Even the ProVari has it little quirks. The price seems right and it is a good looking MOD. I am just toy shopping right now.

Hi Rabbit, I'm back again....

Not to beat a dead horse (sorry - oops, sorry everyone) Hoosier Vapes has the China GG/KTS Telescope back in stock. The one you were looking at is still high pricewise but the plain old ordinary chrome (which is brass covered by copper plated chrome and easily sandable back down to brass) is on sale via Vapor Joe's:
http://.........blogspot.com/2013/03/on-fire-china-gg-2699.html

I know, yer just browsing but I just had to letcha know ;-)

and there's a whole thread covering the thing:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/369007-ggts-clone-ccst-chi-chi-show-tell.html

 

[abracadebra]

I can answer this and if Blues were here I'm sure he would agree, First of all the problems arises with backyard breeders,then you have people who love horses have no idea how to train and rescue them,they can't afford trainers b/c most of them WORK to take care of the horses.To them its a labor of love. They thought they had job security and the resources to care for them.Some of my friends and neighbors fall in this category. They weren't breeding horses,just trying to save them from being slaughtered.
Bottom line is this-- the reason there are so many unwanted animals is b/c irresponsible animal owners refuse to spay,neuter,and geld.
As to answer your question about older and untrained horses-- they go to the slaughter house along with the other much loved horses that people can no longer take care of UNLESS they can find someone who has room for "just one more" .

hi raynes...backyard breeders...this woman I know...well put it this way...we don't talk no more...she breeds maltese pups...from home.so she can make Quick $s to fund her ship cruises..her poor female has had 4 litters back to back...aussies love this maltese breed...so At $400 to $500 for a pup.....that's all she sees is the $s........sick low life

 

[Renolizzie]

My point is that MOST people that do rescue do their best to train these animals,they WANT them to go to good homes. Then you have rescuers like myself that take horses that are more difficult. Still things happen beyond a person's control like the economy. Its not fair to say that all people who rescue do not try to train their animals. Point in case,I have a good friend that leased a Thoroughbred facility just so she could rescue foals. Someone bought the place so she had to sale out. She had 25 foals and 6 PMU broodmares and a month to try to find homes for them and she couldn't. That was not her fault. There are a lot of people finding themselves in that situation.

That is true. There simply aren't enough homes for all the horses people can't afford anymore. Even nice horses are going to the auction. There are some very dedicated people that try to help but around here we have had three different "rescue" organizations that were really people scamming to get money. One guy was trying to get old people to sign their homes over to him when they died on the promise that he would take care of their pets. He got free dog food and then charged seniors for the free dog food given to his organization to supposedly take care of rescued dogs. He finally got in trouble for all his doings.

Again, there really are some nice people trying to help.

 

[SandySu]

My point is that MOST people that do rescue do their best to train these animals,they WANT them to go to good homes. Then you have rescuers like myself that take horses that are more difficult. Still things happen beyond a person's control like the economy. Its not fair to say that all people who rescue do not try to train their animals. Point in case,I have a good friend that leased a Thoroughbred facility just so she could rescue foals. Someone bought the place so she had to sale out. She had 25 foals and 6 PMU broodmares and a month to try to find homes for them and she couldn't. That was not her fault. There are a lot of people finding themselves in that situation.

I'm sorry it worked out that way for your friend. My gripe wasn't with her as much as people who keep horses in their own pastures and never work with them, year after year. 16 years later, something goes wrong and they have to give away horses they bred and never trained. If you have a horse from birth to age 16, there must have been time to train it at least for the rudiments of riding. I'm not saying they all should be show horses, but that horse could have done trail rides and gotten used to various things so it was safe to ride at least. That's a scenario I see all too often, and it upsets me, since I think the lack of training is the owner's laziness and is to the horse's detriment.

However, if a person rescues horses, she should have a plan in place for training them so people want them. Unforeseen circumstances may come up and make that impossible, but the plan to work with the horses that she rescues should have been part of the idea. I'm not saying your friend didn't have a plan like this. I'm just saying people should.

 

[Raynes]

We have one of those breeders down the road from us. I think they have 15 or so nice looking Quarter Horses not a saddle broke one in the bunch, the Lady of the farm told me they were her pets. They pay so much attention to them that one day last summer one of the older horses accidentally slipped and fell off the Dam of their pond and was so old and blind he eventually succumbed and drowned. We saw the horse floating on a Saturday and I drove up to tell them and they sure didn't seem overly concerned. Later I was talking to my neighbor and he told me he had called them 4 days before to tell them the same thing. Finally on the following Tuesday they paid a couple of Migrant Workers to drag the poor animal out of the pond. A month ago the SPCA came and took all of the horses (yes) and charged the both of them with animal cruelty and it turns out they had something like 35 cats living in the 4 room farm house with them. They need to put both of them under the jail!

UGH I can't stand backyard breeders. Nor can I stand to see an animal suffer,its just not right. If something were to happen to me and I happened to still be conscious I will have these horses euthanized as I can't stand the thoughts of them suffering or being abused if I can't get them trained or placed into loving homes

 

[Raynes]

I'm sorry it worked out that way for your friend. My gripe wasn't with her as much as people who keep horses in their own pastures and never work with them, year after year. 16 years later, something goes wrong and they have to give away horses they bred and never trained. If you have a horse from birth to age 16, there must have been time to train it at least for the rudiments of riding. I'm not saying they all should be show horses, but that horse could have done trail rides and gotten used to various things so it was safe to ride at least. That's a scenario I see all too often, and it upsets me, since I think the lack of training is the owner's laziness and is to the horse's detriment.

However, if a person rescues horses, she should have a plan in place for training them so people want them. Unforeseen circumstances may come up and make that impossible, but the plan to work with the horses that she rescues should have been part of the idea. I'm not saying your friend didn't have a plan like this. I'm just saying people should.

I agree horses do need to be worked with.At the least they need to be able to be led and have excellent ground manners.

 

[White Rabbit]

Hi Rabbit, I'm back again....

Not to beat a dead horse (sorry - oops, sorry everyone) Hoosier Vapes has the China GG/KTS Telescope back in stock. The one you were looking at is still high pricewise but the plain old ordinary chrome (which is brass covered by copper plated chrome and easily sandable back down to brass) is on sale via Vapor Joe's:
http://.........blogspot.com/2013/03/on-fire-china-gg-2699.html

I know, yer just browsing but I just had to letcha know ;-) End Quote]

You are not beating a dead horse (sorry horse fans) with me. I am 90% sold on this MOD even though it is not a controlled vape, but is a pure mechanical. I love the look of the chrome/gold. I am on a waiting list a Delaware Vapors where they are $41.00. I am not going to do anything until after my cruise to Bermuda. Thanks for the follow up. If I don't like it I am sure there will be buyers everywhere since vendors can't keep them in stock, or It does take a Kick, but those little devices are as much as the original cost or more.

 

[Raynes]

That is true. There simply aren't enough homes for all the horses people can't afford anymore. Even nice horses are going to the auction. There are some very dedicated people that try to help but around here we have had three different "rescue" organizations that were really people scamming to get money. One guy was trying to get old people to sign their homes over to him when they died on the promise that he would take care of their pets. He got free dog food and then charged seniors for the free dog food given to his organization to supposedly take care of rescued dogs. He finally got in trouble for all his doings.

Again, there really are some nice people trying to help.

They really are Lizzie. Your absolutely right there aren't enough homes for all the unwanted animals period and people still keep breeding them. It has never made sense and it never will. I guess what irks me is you can ask a person why they don't have their pets altered and the response always is "I can't afford it". Yet they don't have a problem having surplus animals to dump on someone else or seeing their animals running around half starved to death.
Maybe the solution is that all rescuers need to stop rescuing or fine the people who are doing this backyard breeding.

 

[Raynes]

hi raynes...backyard breeders...this woman I know...well put it this way...we don't talk no more...she breeds maltese pups...from home.so she can make Quick $s to fund her ship cruises..her poor female has had 4 litters back to back...aussies love this maltese breed...so At $400 to $500 for a pup.....that's all she sees is the $s........sick low life

Debra with your tender heart its a wonder that woman doesn't have a gator with her name written on it.