Church?

[taukimada]

Believe it or not I am a music director in my church and here is where I stand with the question of vaping in church.

Many churches are large enough to hold offices, meeting spaces etc. In such places I do not see a problem.

In the church itself durring service...Not good. Church goers that go to church every sunday know that for the time that they are there, it's all about their relationship with God and the utmost respect for him and his presence is demanded. Those that are in the "know", know that our addiction to nicotine and e-cigs, analogs, or anything else for that matter is a behavior that needs to be corrected.

Now, of course, we are not perfect so if we do smoke/vape, it's best to be done in designated areas.

Wearing a nicotine patch or vaping an e-cig is in my opinion a way for us to "correct" our addiction to nicotine. However, let's be real, a nicotine patch is more tolerable than someone actually vaping durring a service. A nicotine patch releases nicotine over time to help one with their withdrawal symtoms. An e-cig is there for us to get "our hits" whenever the urge arises, just like an anlog cig.

Now for those who only go to church for weddings and the occassional Easter Sunday, out of respect to all in the Church, and for God, whether or not you believe in him or not, if you need to vape, just get up and go outside. It's ok. No one is going to crucify you for going outside to vape.

For the sound engineer, vaping durring service? Feeling guilty? I think that says it all.

For the jokesters out there, be nice please. There are many people on this forum that are Church members and will find those jokes a little offensive.

For those that claim that they are going to hell, I got news for you. Just repent. Say I'm sorry, and go on with your life. Whatever you did, it shall be forgiven. Don't keep repeating those words to yourself because it may actually happen and I'm sure that is one place you do not want to find yourself in

Now incase some of us think that I'm a religious fanatic, well I'm not. I'm a JESUS fanatic and there is a difference.

very well spoken Knight the voice of a true believer

 

[providence]

but it's only not ok because somebody ELSE'S opinion says it isn't.. which i find to be of the UTMOST offense..

LOL, that's what I'm talking about when I say "teenage thinking." Lots of things in life are determined by social convention. Just realizing that now?

my diety understands the choices i make... understands WHY i choose them... i see no reason to hide them.. but your argument revolves around the ideal that even tho "god" thinks it's ok.. you don't.. so i shouldn't.. who's being childish again?

Sex is ok, but that doesn't mean it should be done in church. And once again, the whole "i do what i want when i want" is the thinking of a teenager not a mature adult.

PS: yes.. you're opinion is valid and valuable... until it becomes an attack on other's beliefs and choices.. i find nothing wrong with your opinion of whether vaping in certain places is ok.. i find OFFENCE in the attack of, just because you disagree..that means your opposite is an idiot and child-minded

An attack on another's beliefs? Do you mean something like saying the Body of Christ makes good stuffing material? I think that was much more offensive than anything I've had to say in this thread.

I never called anyone an idiot. I never once said anyone here was an idiot. What I did say was that I thought vaping in a church was childish and comparable to kids laughing about getting away with chewing gum during church services.

 

[providence]

Believe it or not I am a music director in my church and here is where I stand with the question of vaping in church.

Why would it be so hard to believe? You seem very nice.

Many churches are large enough to hold offices, meeting spaces etc. In such places I do not see a problem.

I agree completely.

In the church itself durring service...Not good. Church goers that go to church every sunday know that for the time that they are there, it's all about their relationship with God and the utmost respect for him and his presence is demanded. Those that are in the "know", know that our addiction to nicotine and e-cigs, analogs, or anything else for that matter is a behavior that needs to be corrected.

Now, of course, we are not perfect so if we do smoke/vape, it's best to be done in designated areas.

Once again, I agree completely.

Wearing a nicotine patch or vaping an e-cig is in my opinion a way for us to "correct" our addiction to nicotine. However, let's be real, a nicotine patch is more tolerable than someone actually vaping durring a service. A nicotine patch releases nicotine over time to help one with their withdrawal symtoms. An e-cig is there for us to get "our hits" whenever the urge arises, just like an anlog cig.

Exactly!

Now for those who only go to church for weddings and the occassional Easter Sunday, out of respect to all in the Church, and for God, whether or not you believe in him or not, if you need to vape, just get up and go outside. It's ok. No one is going to crucify you for going outside to vape.

Couldn't agree more!

I'm not quite so sure what exectly is so hard to grasp in all of this?!

 

[Betty C]

This thread got gooooood in a hurry!

Now where's my nachos?..

 

[ZambucaLu]

I'm not quite so sure what exectly is so hard to grasp in all of this?!

It all depends on who says it Providence

Lu

 

[Nuck]

My God thinks you're all ridiculous. He also vapes and has decided religion is a brilliantly designed means of oppression. My God is also quite clever.

 

[brandeeashlynn]

I have been a smoker for years. I also believe that God has led me on to ecigs. I was praying for an alternative. I agree with Blue knight on everything. I am a christian but i dont believe that vaping in church is appropiate. I wouldnt smoke an analog in any other non smoking area why would you vape in church? My church has smokers they just smoke outside. Maybe I need to let them know about vaping. They are always looking for a excuse to still smoke lol. There are people on this forum that are bible believing christians. If you dont agree with us fine, but please respect pur believes. If we where bashing that athiest we would never hear the end of it.

 

[providence]

It all depends on who says it Providence

Lu

Oh well, some people can dish it out but boy oh boy they can't take it.

 

[taukimada]

It all depends on who says it Providence

Lu

not WHO.. but HOW it is said...

notice when knight said almost the same thing as providence i wholeheartedly agreed that his point was both valid and good...

on the other hand.. being called "teenage-minded" for being oneself os not going to get providence far in life

i dont have time right now..as i have ADULT things to do.. but mayhaps when i get back i'll go ahead and find some nice christian literature to back my argument??

 

[Wildsky]

Sex is ok, but that doesn't mean it should be done in church.

Yeah, its the screaming/yelling and moaning that kinda puts a damper on the service.

 

[Blue Knight Max]

OK Everyone, let's all take a time out here for a minute.

We are all members of this e-cig community/forum and as e-cig smokers what we all have in common is the fact that we are willing to give up our analog smoking days for this new alternative and hopefully one day, off of vaping as well.

We are all one of a kind individuals but also at the same time, as a group, we are unique.

Yes, we might not always agree on certain things, yes we'll have people who joke around alot, yes we have others that take offense to these jokes, yes we have others who just want to stir things up etc etc, (I am not implying about anyone here by the way) but the bottom line here is that we are all members of this community. As a communtiy, it would be to the best interest of all that we kind of, sort of, try to get along.

Sooner or later, the FDA is going to come down hard on our supply and many of us will probably end up going back to analogs. For those that are still in the fight, this forum will be one place for many of us to find support to stay away from the analogs once and for all.

Now with that said, I'm sure that everyone has made thier point and opinions made.

Let's try to let it go, and move on to the topic of this thread.

I'm sure many people would like to know everyone's opinion on whether or not vaping in Church is appropriate or not since it is after all a "public place", but at the same time a Church is a "Place of Worship".

I expect that every now and then, you'll get someone cracking a joke that some will find funny and others will not. That's expected.

For those Bible believing Christians that are surfing through this thread and finds a comment that is not to their liking, just remember what Jesus went through before he died on the cross. One living a Christian life, will be made fun out of, mocked and criticized just like Jesus was, even after he performed all the miracles. Bible also says for us not to get offended. The enemy just want to stir us up and make us behave in a way that would not be expected of a Christian thus allowing those that have anything against our beliefs a reason to talk.

So, let's let by-gones be by-gones and move on. Let's let no one take offense to any of the comments made and get back to vaping happily along.

 

[taukimada]

OK Everyone, let's all take a time out here for a minute.

We are all members of this e-cig community/forum and as e-cig smokers what we all have in common is the fact that we are willing to give up our analog smoking days for this new alternative and hopefully one day, off of vaping as well.

We are all one of a kind individuals but also at the same time, as a group, we are unique.

Yes, we might not always agree on certain things, yes we'll have people who joke around alot, yes we have others that take offense to these jokes, yes we have others who just want to stir things up etc etc, (I am not implying about anyone here by the way) but the bottom line here is that we are all members of this community. As a communtiy, it would be to the best interest of all that we kind of, sort of, try to get along.

Sooner or later, the FDA is going to come down hard on our supply and many of us will probably end up going back to analogs. For those that are still in the fight, this forum will be one place for many of us to find support to stay away from the analogs once and for all.

Now with that said, I'm sure that everyone has made thier point and opinions made.

Let's try to let it go, and move on to the topic of this thread.

I'm sure many people would like to know everyone's opinion on whether or not vaping in Church is appropriate or not since it is after all a "public place", but at the same time a Church is a "Place of Worship".

I expect that every now and then, you'll get someone cracking a joke that some will find funny and others will not. That's expected.

For those Bible believing Christians that are surfing through this thread and finds a comment that is not to their liking, just remember what Jesus went through before he died on the cross. One living a Christian life, will be made fun out of, mocked and criticized just like Jesus was, even after he performed all the miracles. Bible also says for us not to get offended. The enemy just want to stir us up and make us behave in a way that would not be expected of a Christian thus allowing those that have anything against our beliefs a reason to talk.

So, let's let by-gones be by-gones and move on. Let's let no one take offense to any of the comments made and get back to vaping happily along.

i like you knight... sriously.. a rare breed
.. i would explain in detail..but it couldnt be done without offending others.. (not you) and believe it or not... where religion is concerned..i care not the religion... i try to not offend based on it

 

[Lika]

Is there anything such as Separation of Church and ECF? Nope, guess not. Carry on...

 

[Blue Knight Max]

I have decided to start a new Off-topic thread for those interested in talking about God.

Here it is..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-discussion/12944-god-jesus-church-vapors.html

Everyone interested in talking about God and knowing more about him are invited to join.

 

[jjbough]

I had a few draws on Easter Sunday. I was back in town to visit my parents and was forced into going. Catholic masses are stressful man!! anyway, I did it using my sport coat's sleeve to hide it.

 

[Lithium1330]

Is it ok to bring beer to church? even if you put it in a starbucks coffe cup? or in a can of soda? there is a time and a palce for everything...

 

[ZambucaLu]

I really think a lot of it boils down to respect (which really seems to be sorely lacking with some people here). Yes, church is a public place....but as with any other public place, it carries certain expectations.

You wouldn't go into a library and start screaming at the top of your lungs, would you? No, because that is not expected there. People go there to quietly read and learn or research or whatever.

So why would you consider sitting next to someone and exposing them to your vape....when that is the last thing they would expect to be exposed to there?

Outside? OK! A bar? OK! People expect things like that.

So here's a good one....why not ask the clergy there if it's okay first? People said they have done that in other places....so why not ask first? Or ask the people who are sitting next to you with their kids. Is is okay with them? Is that something they expected to endure when they come to a place to worship?

So what's your point in going to church? To disregard your neighbor?

Why bother?

Lu

 

[taukimada]

I really think a lot of it boils down to respect (which really seems to be sorely lacking with some people here). Yes, church is a public place....but as with any other public place, it carries certain expectations.

You wouldn't go into a library and start screaming at the top of your lungs, would you? No, because that is not expected there. People go there to quietly read and learn or research or whatever.

So why would you consider sitting next to someone and exposing them to your vape....when that is the last thing they would expect to be exposed to there?

Outside? OK! A bar? OK! People expect things like that.

So here's a good one....why not ask the clergy there if it's okay first? People said they have done that in other places....so why not ask first? Or ask the people who are sitting next to you with their kids. Is is okay with them? Is that something they expected to endure when they come to a place to worship?

So what's your point in going to church? To disregard your neighbor?

Why bother?

Lu

actually i hold a church to a higher standard... maybe this is my problem??

here's an example.. you're in church during services...

some demented crack addict strolls into the service walking right down the middle aisle whilst smoking his crackpipe...

the attitude i've seen thus far says the people posting here would simply walk up and chuck him out the door...

im not even a christian and i know what Jesus would do... to me it's an obvious cry for help (whether said crack smoker realizes it or not) and PERSONALLY i would offer said help... clear as day to me.. but some people seem to think it's ok to just demean and ostrasize because one doesn't fit THIER mold of whom one SHOULD be in THIER eyes

 

[taukimada]

Is it ok to bring beer to church? even if you put it in a starbucks coffe cup? or in a can of soda? there is a time and a palce for everything...

isit okay to bring wine to church... the priest does it

 

[ZambucaLu]

actually i hold a church to a higher standard... maybe this is my problem??

here's an example.. you're in church during services...

some demented crack addict strolls into the service walking right down the middle aisle whilst smoking his crackpipe...

the attitude i've seen thus far says the people posting here would simply walk up and chuck him out the door...

im not even a christian and i know what Jesus would do... to me it's an obvious cry for help (whether said crack smoker realizes it or not) and PERSONALLY i would offer said help... clear as day to me.. but some people seem to think it's ok to just demean and ostrasize because one doesn't fit THIER mold of whom one SHOULD be in THIER eyes

So someone vaping in church is a cry for help?

If a crackhead walked into church, I imagine he would at least be escorted to some private or non-invasive area...not just plunked down in the middle of members there and their families.

Sorry, I don't see the comparison.

Lu