class action against the FDA and Health Canada

[StormFinch]

Google "sue FDA", plenty of people are doing it. Consumers over raw milk, right to lifers over the morning after pill. If nothing else it gets you front page headlines.

I'm in for $10, and a monthly stipend if you can find a good lawyer willing to take it.

 

[CES]

Wonder if this money would be better spent for legal fees or for some sort of support in the SE v. FDA case.

 

[v1John]

Wonder if this money would be better spent for legal fees or for some sort of support in the SE v. FDA case.

Can SE merge with other suppliers, restructure their product line, and fight with more umph?

 

[kristin]

Guys, this is all good, but, wrong. I can post in this thread that I support this, and pledge $100, but I'm not held to it. I can also NOT post in this thread because this is simply a discussion that will never go anywhere.

If you are serious about this, find the lawyer first. I'm sure a fund can be set up that people donate to, with a refund option should nothing come of it.

Maybe a lawyer that had a 'high five' with the CASAA? Seriously. If there was a lawyer that you could actually call to verify he/she was a lawyer, and was on the case, that would generate a bigger following. Not so sure the phone call would eat up the donation. It probably would.

You guys already heard from a lawyer. Yvilla is the CASAA legal director (and a practicing attorney) and has already told you - this CAN'T be done in the US.

You're not getting pledges because you don't have a case and you haven't shown that there are any proven grounds to place a case on.

You guys have your hearts in the right place, but it's a waste of time and effort.

How about donating to Vaper's International instead, to help fund the ecig research study that can finally prove the FDA and all of the antis WRONG?

You can contribute through CASAA or directly to Vapers International.

 

[AJMoore]

Why can't we start a fund so someone (Puresmoker, V4L, NHaler...oh, I don't care), can had their product tested in a real lab that would suffuce for the FDA. It's a win/win for us, if it's bad, we needed to know, if it's good, it's ammo against the Feds. I'm in, I have a trust account or anyone else that does I'm still in.

We (I) have got to have these legal and afforable, I can't and won't go back.

 

[v1John]

Why can't we start a fund so someone (Puresmoker, V4L, NHaler...oh, I don't care), can had their product tested in a real lab that would suffuce for the FDA. It's a win/win for us, if it's bad, we needed to know, if it's good, it's ammo against the Feds. I'm in, I have a trust account or anyone else that does I'm still in.

We (I) have got to have these legal and afforable, I can't and won't go back.

I think the FDA already put some in a lab (by their questionable rules). If so, maybe we just need to hire pro-ecig lab professionals witnessing and co-directing a new FDA test in real time?

I think there was also a (pro tobacco) refusal to label ecigs as reduced harm alternatives. If so, why? Whoever refused could have been bribed or corrupt?

What is needed is simply to turn as many smokers into vaporers and as quickly as possible. I think big tobacco is trying to outlaw ecigs before too many people enjoy and benefit from it. I bet the number of U.S. vaporers registered to vote and who write or visit their state representatives is a very, very extremely small fraction of a million people.

Turning smokers away from tobacco is not only healthy, but it helps weaken the opposition that vaporers face. You see, big tobacco, one of the largest lobbyists in the U.S., gets their money from people who smoke. It's people who smoke who are paying lawyers, lawmakers, the FDA, and government officials who oppose electronic cigarettes.

 

[Jude1123]

Me too. $10 is a small price to pay to get this rolling and draw some attention.

 

[dk2]

You guys already heard from a lawyer. Yvilla is the CASAA legal director (and a practicing attorney) and has already told you - this CAN'T be done in the US.

You're not getting pledges because you don't have a case and you haven't shown that there are any proven grounds to place a case on.

You guys have your hearts in the right place, but it's a waste of time and effort.

How about donating to Vaper's International instead, to help fund the ecig research study that can finally prove the FDA and all of the antis WRONG?

You can contribute through CASAA or directly to Vapers International.

@Kristin quit hijacking my thread! We've heard this negativity before in another thread, just because a representative from CASAA says it can't be done doesn't mean it can't. Waste of time and effort... that's your opinion, a case of this magnitude hasn't been heard of by the American/Canadian people since Watergate. There is a huge cover up by governments of the western world to protect tax revenue at the expensive of killing their people by hundreds of thousands ever year. Filing this class/action will create the waves we need to get the real facts out to the public, so far CASSA's only created ripples nothing of note that the FDA and governments don't already know, more studies please, it doesn't matter how many studies you get proving ecigs are safe when the people reading them who are in power don't care about the results. Look CASSA's a good group one of many, but CASSA is not proactive enough. FDA ASH are moving a lightspeed, individual states are banning ecigs for fear of lost revenue, what we need is large mass public support and attention of those news agencies not under the governments foot. The way to achieve this is through the same method the FDA is using, the legal system. Now CASSA reps if your reading this thread pledge your $10.00 and continue with your studies if that's your path.

 

[JustJulie]

Well, this may be a hijack as well, but . . .

I'm not going to try to discourage anyone from doing what they feel is right, but I also think it's fair for those who have more than a passing familiarity with the law to chime in so that people can make an informed decision as to how they're spending their money.

And, yes, I believe it's a waste of time, effort, and money . . . but it's not my time, effort, and money. While this particular fundraising drive is going on, though, I'm very much hoping that folks continue to support the other efforts going on out there.

 

[dk2]

Please as said before in numerous posts throughout this thread, only post if your pledging money for this particular cause.

If you'd like to dispute that it's not possible to class action the US or CDN governments start another thread. I'm sure there will be people willing to comment, in your thread but this thread is for pledger's for this particular class action.

 

[JustJulie]

Please as said before in numerous posts throughout this thread, only post if your pledging money for this particular cause.

If you'd like to dispute that it's not possible to class action the US or CDN governments start another thread. I'm sure there will be people willing to comment, in your thread but this thread is for pledger's for this particular class action.

People sharing thoughts about the merits of a class action suit haven't been rude or disruptive. With all due respect, you might have started this thread, but you don't own it. However, I don't want to step on too many toes. Thus, this will be my last post in this thread . . . but If you want to chastise me again, feel free to do so.

This thread has been in existence for two months. What I'm hearing many folks say is that if you get an attorney, they'll chip in. Perhaps now there's enough support for you to move to the next step and actually see if there's an attorney who's willing to talk with you and whether he/she will give a free consult or charge a fee?

I think it would be easier to get financial support from the vaping community if you actually had an honest to God lawyer say that this was a viable lawsuit or that, no, it's not viable, but for $X, the lawyer will file the lawsuit and at the very least, you can get some publicity. Personally, I'd pay $10 for publicity. (And, yes, I'm serious about that.)

 

[dk2]

Just a reminder to everyone this thread is for pledges, refer to the first post for details, if your not up on the issues you can start by reading this blog that has a meta analysis of the FDA's study proving ecigs safer than combustible tobacco http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/...omparison.html

 

[Thulium]

DK2, you're in Canada. How are you going to sue the United States Food & Drug Administration?

 

[dk2]

We just need pledges right now, which gov organization we go after first will be discussed later, my vote would be for the FDA as they hold most of the influence. If CDN's arent able to be on a US class action, I'm sure you'll find that they are willing to donate for the cause which is at this point all this thread is about, pledges.

 

[kristin]

@Kristin



Look CASSA's a good group one of many, but CASSA is not proactive enough. FDA ASH are moving a lightspeed, individual states are banning ecigs for fear of lost revenue, what we need is large mass public support and attention of those news agencies not under the governments foot. The way to achieve this is through the same method the FDA is using, the legal system. Now CASSA reps if your reading this thread pledge your $10.00 and continue with your studies if that's your path.

CASAA and other groups working with CASAA have accomplished more than this thread ever will. You have no idea what you are talking about. Who do you think organized the trip to Illinois that got them to reconsider banning ecigs??

CASAA and Vapers International have so far been funded out-of-pocket by less than a dozen people and could use $10 from every vaper to achieve some incredible results.

Whatever. Spin your wheels and divert attention from real advocacy. Keep up the good work.

Fine. Here is the thread to discuss the merits of trying to sue the FDA: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...37-trying-sue-fda-waste-time.html#post1274886

I apologize and we won't hijack your thread anymore trying to reason with you.

 

[Bobnoxious]

Kristin,

In response to your reply to me earlier, you put me on a bit of the defensive. My original post was not meant to get into any legal stuff, it was only meant to point out that 'pledging' $10 in a post was absurd. What we would do with $1,000,000 if we had it collectively is not my expertise, and I wouldn't even pretend to know where to start.

However, I am very, very impressed with what went on in Illinois. Awesome job.

And I hereby pledge $1,000,000 to this thread. Add it to all the $10's, and see where we are at.

 

[kristin]

Kristin,

In response to your reply to me earlier, you put me on a bit of the defensive. My original post was not meant to get into any legal stuff, it was only meant to point out that 'pledging' $10 in a post was absurd. What we would do with $1,000,000 if we had it collectively is not my expertise, and I wouldn't even pretend to know where to start.

However, I am very, very impressed with what went on in Illinois. Awesome job.

And I hereby pledge $1,000,000 to this thread. Add it to all the $10's, and see where we are at.

Sorry Bob, that wasn't really directed AT you. I just used your post as a jumping off point. I knew what you were saying.

Heck, in respect for the OP, I'll even pledge $10.

If they ever find a lawyer to take the case, it'll be a miracle, though.

 

[Bobnoxious]

Sorry Bob, that wasn't really directed AT you. I just used your post as a jumping off point. I knew what you were saying.

Heck, I'll even pledge $10.

If they ever find a lawyer to take the case, it'll be a miracle, though.

Ah, I kind of got that impression. No problem.

I'm throwing in another $10 myself on that note, for $1,000,010.

 

[kristin]

Just as a disclaimer - I am speaking in this thread as an individual and my opinion is not necessarily official CASAA policy or opinion.

 

[Hagbard Jones]

I am in and pledge $100