Cleveland Clinic researcher says vaping THC causes lung damage

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Lot of missing controls. There seems to be an assumption in the article that the difference between a THC vape and an e-cigarette is only the THC or nicotine. This generally make up only a tiny percentage of the actual juice. A majority of the juice is other things, and those other things often vary widely in THC vapes. E-cigarettes are controlled by the deeming. THC vapes arent.
 

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So apparently a brain is no longer required to be a "scientist". All you need is a computer, an imaging program, a microscope, and a white coat. Having a pulse is probably optional.
The problem IMHO is one that was created in the 1980s by the Regan administration. A “study” is only marginally science and lacks the rigor that makes it useful. The irony is that while many of what were considered softer sciences have been getting a lot harder since the 80’s, medical science has gotten a lot softer due to marketer interference and a lack of funding. There is massive pressure to get maximum opinion modification from minimum actual research. The result is all too commonly garbage.
 
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Lot of missing controls. There seems to be an assumption in the article that the difference between a THC vape and an e-cigarette is only the THC or nicotine. This generally make up only a tiny percentage of the actual juice. A majority of the juice is other things, and those other things often vary widely in THC vapes. E-cigarettes are controlled by the deeming. THC vapes arent.
I don't think that's necessarily true. My understanding with THC "carts" is that the good ones can be 80-90% THC.

Now of course with nicotine, 5-6% is about the maximum.
 

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I don't think that's necessarily true. My understanding with THC "carts" is that the good ones can be 80-90% THC.

Now of course with nicotine, 5-6% is about the maximum.
. That’s a really large volume. May also explain why there are so many problems with them. “Up to” is one of those variable phrases though. There has been much discussion of fillers and their various dangers.
 
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Wish they’d test my lungs. I vape thc regularly and I haven’t fallen over dead.
What exactly is in your juice though? I’m suspecting very different stuff than what hurt those people (I was going to say kids, but apparently very few of them are actually kids) I’d be supportive of you getting that test too.
 
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What exactly is in your juice though? I’m suspecting very different stuff than what hurt those people (I was going to say kids, but apparently very few of them are actually kids) I’d be supportive of you getting that test too.

Mine are distillate and terpenes. If it’s a free test I’d do it...and I got to see the results first.

Also, he’ll mix your cart however you’d like so if you want 100% distillate he’ll do it but you gotta clear out your afternoon.


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Mine are distillate and terpenes. If it’s a free test I’d do it...and I got to see the results first.

Also, he’ll mix your cart however you’d like so if you want 100% distillate he’ll do it but you gotta clear out your afternoon.


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“Terpenes” are generally flavoring chemicals. It’s a big family too. “Distillates” refers to a process of extraction not content. Motor oil is a distillate. It’s a petroleum distillate.
 

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“Terpenes” are generally flavoring chemicals. It’s a big family too. “Distillates” refers to a process of extraction not content. Motor oil is a distillate. It’s a petroleum distillate.

Alrighty. I’ve always referred to it as thc distillate and that’s been good enough for me. As for the terpenes I know the brand and trust it. Do you partake?


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THC is not the cause. People have been vaping THC as far back as the late 80’s – which predates the modern e-cig. If one cares to research, they will find THC vaping devices, that have been on the market a good 5 to 6 years which resemble, almost to a T, the current modern e-cig pods. Makes you wonder who is borrowing who’s technology.

There are other methods of consuming THC (not eating) that also does not involve combusting which dates back decades. The current outbreak is due to a contaminate that has been recently, and only introduced to the US – otherwise millions of THC users worldwide would also be getting sick. In reference to @ScottP post, it doesn’t take a computer, an imaging program and microscope or even a white coat to figure this out.
 

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How about other forms?

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you seem quite interested in this branch of thought. My only interest in THC stuff one way or the other is how it affects e-cigarette legislation. The question I asked was to point out that there are likely big differences between the contents of the stuff that is hurting people and the stuff that wasn’t. My second statement was that from the answer you gave you know very little about what is in the thing either. You put your trust in this other person who does.
 

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you seem quite interested in this branch of thought. My only interest in THC stuff one way or the other is how it affects e-cigarette legislation. The question I asked was to point out that there are likely big differences between the contents of the stuff that is hurting people and the stuff that wasn’t. My second statement was that from the answer you gave you know very little about what is in the thing either. You put your trust in this other person who does.

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In reference to @ScottP post, it doesn’t take a computer, an imaging program and microscope or even a white coat to figure this out.

That was my point. If people have been vaping THC products for years, and now suddenly people are getting lung injuries from short term use, then obviously it isn't the fault of the THC but with other stuff in the liquid that has changed recently. Yet these wannabe "scientists" are claiming that it is the THC causing the issue. Indicating to me that they are lacking in the brains department and are only "scientists" because they possess the aforementioned list of "sciencey" items so they can look the part even though they can't think the part.
 

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That was my point. If people have been vaping THC products for years, and now suddenly people are getting lung injuries from short term use, then obviously it isn't the fault of the THC but with other stuff in the liquid that has changed recently. Yet these wannabe "scientists" are claiming that it is the THC causing the issue. Indicating to me that they are lacking in the brains department and are only "scientists" because they possess the aforementioned list of "sciencey" items so they can look the part even though they can't think the part.
It’s a societal problem. Privatization, lack of funding and generous regulation loopholes, have been a gold mine for mountebanks while crippling actual science. Real scientists are being overwhelmed and drawn to compromise their ethics by the economics of the whole thing.

The fundamentalists that claim science is a fraud are only mostly wrong. Science is having fraud stuffed down its throat, and fraud is putting on the trappings of science to enrich itself.
 

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That was my point. If people have been vaping THC products for years, and now suddenly people are getting lung injuries from short term use, then obviously it isn't the fault of the THC but with other stuff in the liquid that has changed recently. Yet these wannabe "scientists" are claiming that it is the THC causing the issue. Indicating to me that they are lacking in the brains department and are only "scientists" because they possess the aforementioned list of "sciencey" items so they can look the part even though they can't think the part.

Fully agree – my response was in support of your comment and thought I would give you credit by tagging you.
 

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All I know is Dumb and Dumber should be the only available media for at least 3 months before a presidential election (and I hate that movie.)

Now, to be a scientist, you should have to watch THIS sucker:

weird science movie - Bing video

One hundred times, and write up a summary, errors in research, difficulties in plot continuity, and answer the question "Was Bill Murray EVER funny" and there is only ONE right answer. I would give it to the science ......s but I want to weed the REALLY dumb ones out.

Also listen to the song, "My name is Science" or whatever it's called, and rewrite the lyrics so that they match the song vocal beat, and also like, rhymes, and also, incorporate every element of the periodic table but only in a manner which a) tells a story and b) makes scientific sense.

I'm a Renaissance woman nowadays and by that, I mean everyone better freaking be.

Sword swallowing HERE I come.

Anna
 
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