clone of ggts !!!and ufs

[imeothanasis]

This "UFS copy guy" saw my post on ecf about the holes on his connector and he changed them now . He made only one change on UFS (the position of the holes)and he did it the wrong way


A message to the copier: Please dont change anything on UFS, keep as it is because you will mess up with it.

 

[Painfreak]

A copy will forever be a copy no matter what. It will never replace the creativity and the worksmanship of the original UFS.

 

[imeothanasis]

Giulio, if I know well this Zeus has the same external appearance with GGTS (and thats make it a copy for sure), it has the same mechanism for air control, same telescope, he just changed the way button locks with maybe parts that can fail easier, and it looks like it uses the same feeding system, it has the same connector with o-rings inside and even the polygonal nut is the same . If it has lower quality too as you said then what is the point of this mod? Also buying from someone that makes copies is not very interesting. Its like buying the old model of a car and at almost the same price as the new model of the original. Also I dont think that this copy has something more to add to GG capabilities

I am sure that Iatty1 or the upcoming new mult-i-atty will be copied too with some changes maybe. But thats doesnt bothers me

 

[Dream]

you come on! is not cheap shot is interesting mod copy something already exists

not so interesting, really.
not a cheap shot? ok, cheap clone..

 

[imeothanasis]

Zu and Pain and Dream, what is happening is really a shame but we will see more of GG capabilities in the market. We saw telescopes, we saw UFS, we saw mechanical devices, we saw buttons like the GG has, we saw engravings, we will see 4 in 1 connector soon, we saw same air control, we will see hidden venting holes like GG has etc. But we have to feel nice about those copies because they confirm that you made the best choise by buying your GGTS.

 

[Giulio]

Giulio, if I know well this Zeus has the same external appearance with GGTS (and thats make it a copy for sure), it has the same mechanism for air control, same telescope, he just changed the way button locks with maybe parts that can fail easier, and it looks like it uses the same feeding system. If it has lower quality too as you said then what is the point of this mod? Also buying from someone that makes copies is not very interesting. Its like buying the old model of a car and at almost the same price as the new model of the original. Also I dont think that this copy has something more to add to GG capabilities

I am sure that Iatty1 or the upcoming new mult-i-atty will be copied too with some changes maybe. But thats doesnt bothers me

I don't know the mechanism for air control of the zeus. The feeding system uses the principle of the AVS not the UFS but it hasn't had positive feedback.
However, if you copy, it means that you do many good products

 

[imeothanasis]

I am glad about copies Giulio and we totally agree with what you said. The more the copies, the better my customers and I feel. As Lee said: "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery". I hope that you are proud that you are one of the first Italian guys that you had a GGTS


ps.... keep in mind that GGTS is a construction that is made after my GG friends's requests and GG friends's ideas. You have given me ideas even if you dont really know it. Your videos for example inspired me to make the rethreater of the new Stealth cap. When I saw you making transformations with your GGTS this idea came to my mind!. To make GGTS even more flexible than it is already

 

[alvinado]

that clone from korea is disgusting, it is a blatant rip off, is there a patent protection or something like that?

 

[imeothanasis]

There is no patent protection my friend alv. I tried once to patent GGGrant but its useless. If someone makes 3 or more changes on a mod then its not yours any more. You have to patent every single piece of your work to have a real protection but it costs so much that is not worth it.

ps.... there are already many mods on market that copied my mechanical thought of a mod with a tube and 2 caps. One of them has a pin that screws and unscrews inside a plastic insulator like GGTB. Who cares any more. Soon a telescopic battery like GGTB has will come to market as I see it

 

[alvinado]

There is no patent protection my friend alv. I tried once to patent GGGrant but its useless. If someone makes 3 or more changes on a mod then its not yours any more. You have to patent every single piece of your work to have a real protection but it costs so much that is not worth it.

ps.... there are already many mods on market that copied my mechanical thought of a mod with a tube and 2 caps. One of them has a pin that screws and unscrews inside a plastic insulator like GGTB. Who cares any more. Soon a telescopic battery like GGTB has will come to market as I see it

Imeo I understand your point but the korean tank is a direct copy.. hmm.. but i guess if people copy you work, it is because you are good. but what i cannot stand is taking the entire piece and copying, this is conterfeiting.

 

[Stinky Uncle Ed]

They can make all the copies they want, but the quality is not there. And for the people that buy them, it's like the old saying; you buy cheap, you buy twice.

 

[imeothanasis]

I understand your frastuation alv. I was feeling exactly like you 1 year or more ago. But I like better to enjoy the fact that we all here are the best makers, modders and customers than bothering myself about silly people. And as stikny said, "you buy cheap, you buy twice".

I had an e-mail the other day from this person I think. He asked me if his design was ok because he didnt want to lose money from his investment . These people are not only copiers that dont even know how to copy something in the right way but they have nerve too. Its a silly silly situation.

Imeo I understand your point but the korean tank is a direct copy.. hmm.. but i guess if people copy you work, it is because you are good. but what i cannot stand is taking the entire piece and copying, this is conterfeiting.

 

[RippleInStillWater]

I understand your frastuation alv. I was feeling exactly like you 1 year or more ago. But I like better to enjoy the fact that we all here are the best makers, modders and customers than bothering myself about silly people. And as stikny said, "you buy cheap, you buy twice".

I had an e-mail the other day from this person I think. He asked me if his design was ok because he didnt want to lose money from his investment . These people are not only copiers that dont even know how to copy something in the right way but they have nerve too. Its a silly silly situation.

Man, the balls and complete lack of class and perspective are shocking and atricious. I swear parents have stopped teaching class and values to their children, the complete lack of awareness of being a self-centered ..... has obviously afflicted that knucklehead, and the others internationally. Soory, my friend Imeo, they know not what they do, and what they do they do badly!

Do you think the Ferengis were patterned after the chinese?!?!?!

 

[alvinado]

Man, the balls and complete lack of class and perspective are shocking and atricious. I swear parents have stopped teaching class and values to their children, the complete lack of awareness of being a self-centered ..... has obviously afflicted that knucklehead, and the others internationally. Soory, my friend Imeo, they know not what they do, and what they do they do badly!

Do you think the Ferengis were patterned after the chinese?!?!?!

lol, its not a chinese, it a korean. but not all people are the same. There are good and bad people in every race and society.

 

[Torqueguy]

The problem with Asian knock-off's is self correcting. As their economy heat's up (and it is), their standard of living will grow, equalizing the payscale and their costs will rise to more global levels.
What bothers me though is their lack of respect towards other people's designs. When knock-off's first came into my industry, we were worried and lost million's to them. Fortunately, after several bad experiences, the users of our machines came back to us and now, we regularly get a 40% premium over the junk. If you think about it, any good machinist with a CNC can replicate an original design, that's not the point. The point is respecting the one that creates the original design. It's a cultural problem more than a technical one. Not to mention that materials also come into play. For all one knows, these knock-offs could be made from melted down soda cans.

 

[imeothanasis]

But it makes me feel very strange when I see opeople like this Ripple. Are they people that live between us? Are they real or they came from Mars? Of course parents are guilty for the behavior of their children but children also live in this earth so they had to learn something here!

Man, the balls and complete lack of class and perspective are shocking and atricious. I swear parents have stopped teaching class and values to their children, the complete lack of awareness of being a self-centered ..... has obviously afflicted that knucklehead, and the others internationally. Soory, my friend Imeo, they know not what they do, and what they do they do badly!

Do you think the Ferengis were patterned after the chinese?!?!?!

 

[MrKrinkle]

there is only one GG its made by Imeo and it works great and I love it.... to those copies and clones out there patooey on you and your copy and if you only had a brain maybe just maybe you could of come up with your own unique idea but no you failed and are a huge disappointment to your mother and I... maybe you can follow the yellow brick road to find the Wizard in Emerald City and he can sell you a brain but you probably spent all you money just making a cheap copy so all I can do is shake my head and walk away from this epic failure...

 

[Major]

I can only say the same things I say already because to me, it is a simple truth. As many have said, the copies are poor quality and all but even if they were exact copies, they would still be lacking the secret ingredient that makes a GG what it is.

The GGTS has "soul" simply put. It shows the passion and care Imeo puts into each one and that makes it something that can't be copied really. Yes I think the GGTS is the best PV made, period. But even so, when you look at it against these copies, every piece means something and has a little of Imeo in each one.

What do these have in them even if they were perfect copies (which they are laughably are not) they would still be fakes and passionless pieces of metal. I live the GG experience for the whole deal and the best any copy will ever be is just as stated. An empty, soul-less piece of metal.

 

[Papa Hoyt]

Why is it a surprise that others copy others work. It is human nature to some to copy others work when there is a gain to be made. Businessmen since the beginning of time have copied ideas and mimicked others invention.

Do you think that the fork was not copied? Really? What about the doghouse? someone invented that and now you can go to a pet store and buy premade doghouses of several varieties.

It was only a matter of time that someone just did not take one aspect and integrate it into their mod design but take the whole thing and replicate it.

Reverse engineering something spawns ideas to others and that spark of an idea makes it to where someone takes a rock wheel and over time makes it into a tubeless rubber radial tire and alloy wheel.

For those that thinks this is shameful and an atrocity to do this really must open their eyes to the bigger picture that it was going to happen and will continue to happen and hopefully some good will come from it.

More than half the things you use on a daily basis was a copy and rendition of something else and made better by this process.

Now don't take this the wrong way, I am not saying that the GGTS can be made better by someone else but one day Imeo may run out of ideas and someone else may pick up the torch.

I personally love my GGTS just the way it is but there are "modders" out there that are going to copy and refine what we currently have and try to make better stuff, and that is how we al got here, if there were not modders and hackers and reverse engineers then we would all be sucking on a 510 battery with 100mah of power and dual coils would not have even been made.

 

[MrKrinkle]

Why is it a surprise that others copy others work. It is human nature to some to copy others work when there is a gain to be made. Businessmen since the beginning of time have copied ideas and mimicked others invention.

Do you think that the fork was not copied? Really? What about the doghouse? someone invented that and now you can go to a pet store and buy premade doghouses of several varieties.

It was only a matter of time that someone just did not take one aspect and integrate it into their mod design but take the whole thing and replicate it.

Reverse engineering something spawns ideas to others and that spark of an idea makes it to where someone takes a rock wheel and over time makes it into a tubeless rubber radial tire and alloy wheel.

For those that thinks this is shameful and an atrocity to do this really must open their eyes to the bigger picture that it was going to happen and will continue to happen and hopefully some good will come from it.

More than half the things you use on a daily basis was a copy and rendition of something else and made better by this process.

Now don't take this the wrong way, I am not saying that the GGTS can be made better by someone else but one day Imeo may run out of ideas and someone else may pick up the torch.

I personally love my GGTS just the way it is but there are "modders" out there that are going to copy and refine what we currently have and try to make better stuff, and that is how we al got here, if there were not modders and hackers and reverse engineers then we would all be sucking on a 510 battery with 100mah of power and dual coils would not have even been made.

This is what I said in not so many words just up there... its one thing to take an idea and make it better but to just copy a product with no improvements is a failure... for example if his copy brought to market the VV sooner or hell maybe come up with a blower set up so that the vapor is pushed out the device rather than drawn out would have been something new and exciting but did this happen no it did not... to copy is no better than the kid that looked over your shoulder in school at test time... he may get away with it but in the end hes still just as stupid as he was before...