Clone Versus Authentic Discussion

[roxynoodle]

I was very disappointed in the EHPro Billow I got..The threads were shoddy and the screws for the posts were wonky as hell..I used their authentic a couple of times and it now sits in a box somewhere..I think maybe they should just stick to clones..They really do a good job on their Atomics.

Oh, my Billow was actually nicely made, but the flavor was terrible, lol! I did sand the bottoms of the post screws before I built it, but I do that with authentics, too. The Mini Buddha is well made. The airhole layouts are odd though, but I'm getting good flavor. I definitely want to experiment with it.

I definitely want to see more single coil affordable authentics. The dual coil, low resistance, big air tanks aren't for me.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I have another question for folks here. Are you still upset if its a clone (no logos/writing) or is it just the counterfits (fake logo, etc).

And for those who have bought clones/counterfeits, would you still buy them if they had no logo? I sure would, and wish I always could. When I suggested things like the cutout design on a Stingray X could be changed to another nice looking design for a clone, a friend told me no one would buy them, but I don't think that's true.

personally I wouldn't care if it didn't have logo's; but, I buy clones as a test drive for an authentic. the clone logos can almost always be pointed out anyway.
nowadays, with the price of quality authentic gear.
the erlkoenigin that I mentioned earlier. That one really gets my yoyo's twisted. Erlkonigin released the eralprinze as a more affordable option for someone who wants an erlkoenigin but can't afford it. flrl 40-45$ you can buy the authentic erlprinze. I have both, the vape is nearly identicle. to go buy a clone for the sole purpose of vaping an erlkoenigin is quite frankly ridiculous. My other favorite RTA is the Aqua V2, there are several more affordable RTA's that offer a similar vape experience for far less money, I believe. I don't own them but they appear to use the same general idea of airflow and and chimney size, but the Kaiser and Billow are both under 40$ in those cases, going clone makes my head explode. -by explode I mean for myself to do it, i stand by my attitude of not caring what someone else does for themselves, so long as they are giving there money to a vale purveyor not a big tobacco one. I still don't like the miltant attitudes of the ACC and PCC(Anti-Clone Coalition and Pro-Clone Coalition). How many of those do they sell and how many people on here are beating their chest and keyboard. I don't see it changing.
but so much great stuff is out there as affordable authentics, LEMO, GOBLIN, CLT1,2,&3, MAKO, FREAKSHOW, MUTATIONX... there are options out here and available. And all of the ones I listed ROCK IMHO. far better performers than the kayfun, in my humble opinon, but that's a matter of personal taste.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

no, of course not . You've always been polite, and can discuss things like adults should. You don't call people names or insinuate they are mentally deficient.

I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me. Each of us has the right to have our own mind. Its what makes us who we are. Its rude and childish behavior that i object to most of all.

^^^^amen^^^^^^^

 

[USMCotaku]

Nobody is answering my question about whether generic/rebranded cereal, plastic wrap or pharmeceuticals are ok.

Verizon gave me my Samsung free. I didn't realize they were expensive phones ? You could have the previous model iphone free, too.

Go ahead and try to get that "old model" iPhone without the contract and see what they charge you for it, or leave the contract early..... Those phones aren't really free

 

[USMCotaku]

As far as logos, I think I mentioned earlier I would prefer them to be logoless (that would be a great name for a mod that was fantasy themed but without a logo ).
My kayfun lite clone is logo free, and I like the clean look of it.
Sent with one hand, the other is busy vaping.

 

[jhhollier]

I would certainly buy a logo-less clone but then again I don't really buy attys for their looks. I don't really pay attention to the markings on my authentics or clones, I just vape them. Sure, some are more aesthetically pleasing than others but that has nothing to do with the markings and everything to do with the shape, finish, height, width, etc. I wish more companies would produce their attys in a wide variety of colors instead of silver, black, copper and brass. I'm sure that is due to keeping costs down and not having a million SKUs but I'd love more green attys. Oh yes.

 

[Rodicle]

The only reason I bought a clone was because of the price. Authentics are way too pricy for what they are. When a clone manufacturer makes an authentic they sell regularly about 20-40 bucks, and thats worth it. The best price for authentic gear is 80-120 bucks and thats the most I would pay. If authentic's were cheaper I would never buy clones. Authentics are mostly for class and showing off from what ive seen. Examples are glas mech mod. Most stuff nowadays are getting lower and lower in price which im glad.

 

[Pinggolfer]

Go ahead and try to get that "old model" iPhone without the contract and see what they charge you for it, or leave the contract early..... Those phones aren't really free

Why would you think a iPhone is free whether new or old? Leave the contract early? Do you expect the carrier to give you the phone free? I read the fees before I sign a contract.

 

[ErnieKim]

You are not making sense at all. I should have realized that with your first post. If you are thinking Ping clubs are cloned you haven't a clue. Before you put down the K4 check how many who have posted here own a K4 clone. Ricks owns one.

Let China make their own products if they can.

You lost this debate a long time ago, face it. These things are simply "generics" as someone mentioned; good analogy there by the way. I'm sure you are going to continue with your snotty little quips and digs. It's become obvious that this is how you get your jollies.

I like healthy debates. You are clearly unhealthy and contribute nothing.

 

[Pinggolfer]

That's his debate style. I've been through this with him before..... If you don't feel the way he does about it, you have no morals etc. Same stuff posted ad nauseam

This coming from the person who posted hundreds of negative. Comments about the P3 because he couldn't afford it for one reason and it was underpowered. He defined the role of being a troll.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

Again........ Puberty

 

[roxynoodle]

Go ahead and try to get that "old model" iPhone without the contract and see what they charge you for it, or leave the contract early..... Those phones aren't really free

I have a contract. I live in the boonies. Verizon is the only cell service that works well here.

 

[roxynoodle]

Why would you think a iPhone is free whether new or old? Leave the contract early? Do you expect the carrier to give you the phone free? I read the fees before I sign a contract.

Everyone should thoroughly read contracts before signing them, yes

 

[roxynoodle]

As for items like the Glas or P3, I certainly have no problem with others liking and buying them. I'm just not comfortable buying them at those price ranges. Well, more so the Glas. I don't particularly care for tube mods with electronics because I prefer using 18650s, and they are just too tall for me. I've never told anyone else not to buy one. Some people hate box mods and love their Provaris. They are well made, and you can get them repaired. There's no reason not to buy one if you like them.

I've never understood that either. People criticizing others for their choice in vape gear. Back in 05 I bought a Mustang. My goal was better gas mileage than my truck. I bought a used, but nice v6 with a stick shift, and could pull over 30mpg. So that put it on par with a Honda Accord or Dodge Neon, etc. One of my friends went off on me for it. Kept going on about how I should've bought a four door sedan, blah, blah. I said, why? I'm single and have no children. Its a great commuter, and has a huge trunk for grocery shopping. And the insurance was a lot lower for some reason than some of the compact cars I looked at. My insurance company told me not to buy a Chevy Cavalier (what my friend had and thought I should buy as well). She grumbled and muttered, "Yeah, we didn't about the insurance until after we bought it."

 

[KY_Rob]

http://youtu.be/dN8gxZBJFuc

 

[Pinggolfer]

I'm not gonna get sucked into it. Especially when his behavior is to ignorant to find out that all the hardware I use are authentic. Hence, the statement that 'there is a difference.'. I just don't see pushing my personal feelings onto someone else as worthwhile.

If someone isn't smoking and they happy that's all that matters. I used clones to figure out what I like. I don't know a single vapor that has never bought or used a couple. People who say that are either liars or have stuck to the same type of vaping since they started.


That militant attitude is exactly what's wrong with "the community."


Lets bash everyone, so that outsiders see us as cranky exsmokers that need to go back to big tobacco, so that they get along.

You're sucked in and I don't appreciate your ignorant comments about me. I don't care what you buy or what you pay. I have a moral obligation which prevents me for supporting any company which steals designs and logos.

 

[Fir3b1rd]

You're sucked in and I don't appreciate your ignorant comments about me. I don't care what you buy or what you pay. I have a moral obligation which prevents me for supporting any company which steals designs and logos.

We've had this argument before... And it resulted in me getting a nice 6 week all expenses paid vacation from ecf. The bottom line is it's no ones place to tell anyone else what to do with there money. No one crowned you the moral police.



The only moral obligation you have as an experienced vapor is to help and advise the new vapors how to do things safely. If all that vile, anger were directed at stressing battery safety and build safety, maybe it would be productive. But blindly bashing someone for making personal economic decisions based on their own monetary situation is not being responsible. No one is judging you as a person but rather what and how you say things.



Me buying a clone to test drive an atomizer before dropping over 120$ on the authentic is not ignorant at all, its called microeconomics.



I won't speak to anyone else's decisions, I am not them. But you bashing me for that is not only insulting but it shows a level of ignorance that is quite frankly inexplicable. No one took money from you when they buy a clone, why so serious. It's still a step up from donating to RJ Reynolds. Don't we as vapors have enough enemies ? Do we need the infighting? Why is it so hard to be supportive of others in the same major fight?

 

[WillyZee]

I don't have very high morals ... for me it is simple.

I want my gear to last ... true fact, cheap chinese clones are made with cheap sub par material.

They all flake, tarnish, seize, and show their true value in due time.

you get what you pay for applies to all cheap counterfeit products.

 

[stevegmu]

I just don't understand why supporting theft and counterfeiting is not only accepted, but encouraged in the vape world. It isn't in any other industry. People talk about the greed of the genuine manufacturers, yet it is those who propagate the theft for profit and those who drive it are the ones who should be taking a look in the mirror. Perhaps the 'need' to have dozens of branded counterfeits speaks of a larger issue...

 

[ricks]

I don't have very high morals ... for me it is simple.

I want my gear to last ... true fact, cheap chinese clones are made with cheap sub par material.

They all flake, tarnish, seize, and show their true value in due time.

you get what you pay for applies to all cheap counterfeit products.

The clones that I buy are not "cheap Chinese clones that are made with cheap sub par material". I'll bet they will last just as long as an authentic one.