Cloud9vaping pulls Five Pawns and other liquids from the shelf after testing.

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There is just Something Wrong when Retailers/3rd Parties are afraid of Testing an e-liquid to ascertain its Ingredients.

It Doesn't Speak well to the way that five pawns does Business. Or the Level of Transparency the e-Cigarette market has when it comes to what Consumers are Putting into their Lungs.

I agree.

Even on something as simple as VG/PG ratios, there is a huge lack of transparency. It seems like most "premium" vendors won't even disclose a simple VG/PG ratio. Then we have 5P claiming 50/50 and C9 testing showing it's really 70/30. I'm so glad I DIY now.
 

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I did a lot of digging on lung tissue affected by diacetyl.
You look back at post about Diacetyl in ecig industry it has been knowledge since ~2009 and this information is just regurgitated again and again.. So is it gonna take a person to suffer BO before anything happens?

"Five Pawns does not feel there is any concern with diacetyl or AP in our e-liquids at current levels. "

They pick and choose what lab sheet they want to use in that statement, when quite a few other labs have found the numbers to be lower than the first labs that pop up in a search query, you have to dig for them using different search strings.
Ticking time bomb you ask me when it most certainly can be avoided.. Flavor may not be the same, it probably wont be but insuring the health and lifestyle of your customer is priority.. :confused: Their numbers were higher than any other juice tested is the rumor:closedeyes:

"Some risky jobs were associated with short-term peak flavoring exposures, and average 8-h diacetyl exposures as low as 0.02 parts per million were measured in a work area where disease occurred in workers mixing butter flavorings with heated oil."
Flavoring-related bronchiolitis obliterans. - PubMed - NCBI

Thats not all, foreign studies and other search query turn up horrible information..
"Spirometry Testing diacetyl"

Their numbers across a whole flavor factory were lower than some juices @ 5P D/AP but just about every worker was affected across time, even people in administration offices with lowest ppm in the factories tested..

2004-2007 long term testing results
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/2008-0155-3131.pdf


I vape all day everyday perhaps more exposure than an 8 hour job exposure.. :-x

"Further, we feel that efforts to translate industrial exposure limits to vaping exposure limits are flawed. It is clearly not the same. (One example of many, in an industrial setting, every inhale 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week contains constant airborne particles. With vaping, fresh air is taken in between puffs.) If the industrial comparison were true, one would expect a population of individuals becoming sick from vaping, but this is not the case. We are not aware of any publicly documented cases of respiratory issues specifically related to vaping AP or diacetyl at the levels currently in e-liquids. "


Met a police officer yesterday while he and I were buying some ejuice at local neighborhood store; he was happy to see a fellow vaper, he had no idea about forums, that his mod was called a mech, his tank was an atlantis and all he knew was ya fill it, vape it, when the vape starts to diminish you change the coil.. I hooked him up with fasttech/joes and ecf he is happy man..
So many who just vape and have no idea about any of this... I didn't say anything but ya its horrible what can be happening..
Cigarettes bad enough with BIg T previous lies about exposure now we have ecig companies doing a colorizing spin on it :ohmy:
 

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This is very interesting as ECTA shows Castle long as having no DA and 80 AP under the limits while Cloud 9 shows Castle long as having 70 ppm DA and 900 AP. Five Pawns shows Castle long as have no DA and 75.7 AP. 3 tests by 3 labs and 3 different results. I did email Dr F and in his words. Well, there is some acetyl propionyl in there. Not extremely high for someone consuming average amounts (3-4ml per day).

The numbers given in the chart ARE 5 Pawns test results. For AP, ECTA has a limit of <5,ND to sell freely, Levels from there to 100 require disclosure. At 80 AP based on 5 pawns OWN 2014 test results, they are certainly in "disclosure" range, and 80% of the way to ban.

A word of advice. You're breaking your elbow too much in the swing, your chin needs to be down in your shoulder, and your eyes should be on the ball. Not sure what's diverting your attention from the game.
 

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I dont understand, this thread is jam packed with people crying about how theyre gonna keel over if they vape one more mil of any of these cyanide laced devil juices??? But the classies are completely bare of any of them?? How could this be??? :lol:

Maybe people don't think it would be Right to Sell Five Pawns e-Liquids?
 

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Hey Al,
This ones for you!!!
Take Care, Jim

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I'll let you know.

In the mean time...

Anyone with any Castle Long that they no longer want...

PM me for my address, I'll dispose of it for you!

Jim

PS Due to the twisted nature of humans, only sealed bottles will be accepted. Thanks again, and Have a Nice Day!!!
 
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One more time: The problem many of us have with 5P is not that they sell some juices with high levels of diketones, it's that they misrepresented their juice as being diketone-free whenever anyone asked, despite knowing about the high levels for well over a year.
 

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I'll let you know.
In the mean time...
Anyone with any Castle Long that they no longer want...
PM me for my address, I'll dispose of it for you!
Jim
PS Due to the twisted nature of humans, only sealed bottles will be accepted. Thanks again, and Have a Nice Day!!!

Not to be a master of the obvious, but if you are worried that someone might put something in there, possibly harmful, and not tell you about it? The seal is too late bro.
 

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Not to be a master of the obvious, but if you are worried that someone might put something in there, possibly harmful, and not tell you about it? The seal is too late bro.
Ah, Good Point...

Guess I better stick with the Five Pawns WebSite for my juice then.

Thanks for the heads up!
 

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I find it strange .
A coupon on this type post and some wanting to vape others throw-away, then having the gall to say:
PS Due to the twisted nature of humans, only sealed bottles will be accepted. Thanks again, and Have a Nice Day!!!

That's exactly what this post was about. They havevery bad and very high amount of ingredients in their ejuice they put there and knew that was there..
Lied about it in your face because you do forum etc..

Then says,

Guess I better stick with the Five Pawns WebSite for my juice then.

Thanks for the heads up!

You cannot make this stuff up...
There's 10k in California alone ejuice makers out there, had no idea 5P had diehard fanboyism..

Then again hydra may have been on to something.. :lol:
 
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