Cloud9vaping pulls Five Pawns and other liquids from the shelf after testing.

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The problem is no doctor is going to do a lung biopsy on an at-risk patient (like a smoker). He is just going to say "COPD" and send them home with an oxygen tank and some Spiriva. If every smoker with COPD had a lung biopsy done, I suspect we would see at least a few cases of B.O. in the wild.
there are more than enough biopsies done when treating
lung disease in the course of determining the proper treatment
for an individual patient to have indicated to what extent popcorn
lung is a problem at the population level.the ANTZ would have jumped
all over it if they could have linked it to smoking in the past and
vaping in the present.
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This all happened before my time and I know there a lot of UK vapers who take exactly this position and although I don't know the details from what I do know I get it. However the person involved is no longer running the company and TW are legally challenging the EU directive (which will benefit all vapers if they win) so they are a company I will give a second chance.
And if I remember correctly, this episode is exactly why he is no longer leading the company.
I seem to remember this fiasco resulted in the Board kicking him out.
 

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I believe I have over the last year been careful to purchase e-juice I thought was safe to vape. In May the last week of I got a bottle of 5 Pawn Castle Long Reserve. I have seen emails others that copied and pasted then had posted from 5 Pawn stating their e-juice was free from D/A's and safe. This was the first time I been able to try it, really enjoyed the flavor and due to the cost of CLR I wanted to make it last as long as I could until the next batch was made and available. Well just a few days before this all came out I almost and I mean almost ordered another bottle of CLR, had it in the cart ready to click pay. But then I didn't click because something a thought said better hold off and just make this bottle last.

Well now I have this bottle of 5 Pawns CLR that I only filled one protank 2 mini (believe it or not it still about 1/3 left in it) as I said I wanted it to last as long as I could. I know I won't be vaping the rest of the bottle nor will I give it to someone else to danger their health. So I think I will hang onto the bottles cause I believe it maybe a collector item in the future, but then again 5 Pawns seems to be at this time a pretty good job of hiding the truth if you read their Facebook page.

I can't prove it now since the post were deleted in the English forum and I'm sure it was from Cloud9 getting the notice from 5 Pawns lawyers, but I had read on there That Dr F posted/said telling Cloud9 the test were way over being safe (the worst he has seen) and it was up to Cloud9 but he thought the information should be put out there to protect and for vapors to know.
 

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I wouldn't keep a perishable item as a collectors item. It's a lot like wine. You can keep awhile until it's more valuable, or longer till it's worthless. Castle Long was one of the lesser offensive of the offerings. What all exactly did they do to make the Reserve worth the extra 35%? God only knows. It may be higher in AP/Da, but it was never tested.

Not judging at all. If I were you, and it was worth $38 to me in the first place? I'd probably get a 510 drip atty, and enjoy a taste now and then. I don't think a ml or 2 over the course of a week is going to kill you. I wouldn't RE-order though.

Now anyone who has an older retail bottle of Absolute Pin or Bowdens Mate? Wouldn't vape it to save my life. But it SURE might be worth holding on to just in case the veracity of C9's test results are called into question. In fact, I'd vacuum bag it and throw it in the freezer to slow down any possible degradation or chemical changes that might occur between now, and the trial.
 

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I have a question that's probably answered here somewhere but here goes.... The testing done for cloud9, were they testing the liquid or were they vaporizing it? Same question about 5 Pawns test also.

I believe it was tested using GC-MS Gas Chromatography. I believe it is vaporized (converted to a gas anyway) in the process but I have read that Dr. Farsalino has weighed in on this, and believes that the contents of the liquid and the GC-MS results should be near identical. The short answer is, it WAS "vaped" in a sense.

Gas chromatography–mass spectrometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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I have a question that's probably answered here somewhere but here goes.... The testing done for cloud9, were they testing the liquid or were they vaporizing it? Same question about 5 Pawns test also.

Part of Dr. F's original study was checking that the results of analysing the liquid were comparable to analysing the vapour. They were. He only checked two liquids that way but got identical results for the vapour as for the liquid.
 

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Please humor me :)

Can someone please provide a link or links which contain the alleged email answers from 5P where they state NO Diketones in our juice?

Thanks in advance.
:)

BTW - I believe that there was a Lot of Information regarding this on the UKvapers forum. But that thread was taken down.
 
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Five Pawns... they obviously decided that they'd make more money by lying to their customers and hoping not to get caught prior to bringing out their new line of reformulated products which don't contain DA or AP.
i am still lost here.
which customer did 5P lie too?
have they posted here?
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i am still lost here.
which customer did 5P lie too?
have they posted here?
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They lied to me. Even told Gavin directly and he blamed it on their customer service reps not being trained properly.

Gotta say there is very little in your posts that i consider anything other than spin, but i do admire your relentless defense of the industry. You are nothing if not indefatigable.
 

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They lied to me. Even told Gavin directly and he blamed it on their customer service reps not being trained properly.

Gotta say there is very little in your posts that i consider anything other than spin, but i do admire your relentless defense of the industry. You are nothing if not indefatigable.
what exactly was said?
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To people who say traditional cigs have Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl and asking why nobody get popcorn lung from cigs until now. The answer is so simple, when you smoke cigs, DA and AP gets burned about 1.000 celcius. At that high heat, DA and AP loses their harmfull chemical functions before they reach to lungs. But when these chemicals are in ecig, things are changed. There is no burn in ecig and their harmfull chemical functions stay un-damaged due to low heat which can cause popcorn lung in the future. Nobody knows if surely it can or not. But there are cases already recorded, there are people who get popcorn lung because of exposure to Diacetyl too much in the past, although they were eating diacetyl not vaping. I cannot guess what will happen if we continue to vape it into our lungs, as it causes a deadly lung sickness by eating it too much. I guess vaping it, will speed up the process.

One thing about vaping always scares me, when you vape food flavors they go into your lungs and goes into your blood stream in few seconds. But when you eat food flavors, they go into your digestive system and there it gets attacked by acids and enzymes which kills the harmfull chemical functions of food flavors before they go into blood stream. What I'm saying is, it is not only Diacetyl and AP, one flavor has at least 6 - 8 chemicals, nobody knows what will do other chemicals yet, we only know about Diacetyl and AP today.

Many flavor companies are already released their, v2 and DX version flavors. It is possible to make completely Diacetyl and Acetyl Propionyl free liquids today. A reputable liquid company should re-formule their liquids instead of showing 2014 self made lab tests and saying look our diacetyl and AP ratio is lower than cloud9 tests.
cigarettes burn at 1000 C ?
the DP and AP are not that hot when breathed in.
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