Cloupor Mini Mod 30W
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Yeah, one of mine is from the 0002 batch, 2 months old and no melt downs. Doubt it will at this point.
Your Mod shows exact signs of the circuit failure issue in that batch.
Your Second Photo goes against actual Fire/Flaming - Beyond the common melted hole in the plastic above the faulty circuit the Mod looks pristine.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...241940t-cloupor-mini-caught-fire-cloupor2.jpg
Crackle noise - Drip water on a hot stove - You do not need Flame or fire for water to Crackle off a Hot surface.
You should also NEVER use water on an assumed electrical fire.
Have you contacted Cloupor for a resolution yet?
Yours also clearly failed under quite different conditions than what others reported. Perhaps those conditions came into play in pushing the Mod past its failure point.
1) Owners Manual has no mention of use of Pass through.
2) Actual Mod specs do not mention using in Pass through.
3) Cloupor mini comes with USB dongle only - User mist supply correct power source.
* Cloupor makes one reference to < Passthrough Available> on their advertizing page, with no comments on proper usage.
* Joyetech warned against attempting Pass through on Low Batteries due to excessive current draw and it was only an 11w mod
Not blaming you or anyone else - Passthrough seems to be undocumented as to proper use and precautions by most if not all China manufacturers.
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Clouper makes a reference on their product web page, and is hosting a 'review' on their website from some UK b&m that mentions it several times. Further, their FB page, linked on their website, has quite a few glossy marketing mentions of 'USB passthru available', distinguishing it from the Istick.
It seems the only mentions of not using usb passthru is various user forums....basic opinion imho. Nothing from Clouper. And to my knowledge, they never specifically said what was the core issue, a real shame. I for 1 would like to know if the meltdowns were due to the usb charging circuitry.
Will I use usb passhru on my mini-clouper? Too much speculation at this point to do so unfortunately. [emoji17]
I did not say you cannot use Passthrough. I said there is no proper documentation for use. This applies to most manufacturers claiming Passthrough availability.
I also pointed out the Feature is not Documented in the Owners manual AT ALL.
What may or may not effect using Passthrough can be things such as:
Actual Wattage used
Coil Build type - i.e. heavy wire coils need more power for a longer period to heat creating more stress
Available input power - i.e. 500mah charger vs. 2.5a charger and the ability of the USB to handle available input.
Does passthrough work - yes
I have 2 original EGO 900 passthrough batteried that work fine........... with 1.8-2.8ohm coils.
Can passthrough be misused - Possibly, without proper specifications available.
Personal opinion only:
I feel passthrough should only be used with a reasonably charged battery to minimize risk of overloading the circuitry.(acceptable available battery power)
Passthrough should Never be used when demanding high wattage output through a micro circuit on a depleted battery.
Passthrough likely cannot keep up with high wattage demand and depending on vaping habits the battery can be depleted while in use even while charging. Maximum output far exceeds charging input.
Knowing what we are attempting to do and understanding helps, but better information from the manufactures would be a Plus.
Most (USB) charging circuits are likely not able to properly monitor output demand and to fragile to maintain high current flow.
Board circuits keep attempting to Draw, seeing supply voltage, until they end up super heating and burn out.
It seems most 002 Cloupor Failures are the Board super heating failures, with a few reporting charge port failure.(possibly due to passthrough)
Still the issues seem to be limited to Batch 002xx so far.
I really don't understand why somebody would need pass through ? I have 4 18650 battery's and just pop in a fresh one when I see the battery at half full. The whole point of a mod like the mini is the ability of an easy battery change. A mod like the Istick you need 2 so you can charge one and vape on the other.
When at home, fully agree. I wanted passthru for that 1-1.5 hour drive home.... Battery is usually just about gone, car has a usb port in it. I have several juices at my office, didn't want to keep lugging batteries back & forth.
Have you considered Passthrough in the office to maintain battery for the trip Home?
I believe most experienced Vapors looking for higher power Mods actually are not concerned with passthrough. This leave a minority and those less experienced jumping on a feature designed for much lower power consumption. This is a poor selling tactic since no disclosure.
The problem is perpetuated by Sellers claiming features in the same manor or simply making untrue statements.
The DNA passthrough has been a topic of much debate.
This Mod uses a DNA cloned chip design.
Then I must be in the minority, an experienced vapor that has no interest in hi power mods, but passthru for my lower power flavor builds [emoji1]
My 1.8Ω kayfun is pulling 2.6amps at 4.7volts & 12.5w, so a 2.1 amp usb passthru would be quite acceptable in a pinch. You're absolutely correct, be foolish to run sub ohm/hi power on a passthru! Not too sure this is a poor selling tactic by not disclosing it, actually, I'm sure many have been sold on this feature that don't understand good old ohms law [emoji1]
Not knocking anyone vaping preferences. I still use an Ego/Carto setup quite often.
I'm not so sure knowing ohms law would help many when they have no Data on the Mods passthrough capabilities.
Don't think I'd have an issue Vaping my Kayfuns at my typical 11w on the Cloupor mini, but I know better than to try it power vaping my Orchid .46ohm or my .5ohm magma's. Battery swaps are fast and reliable there.
I often wonder if the Manufacturers even understand what they are building or how it will be used. Not to many in China seem to understand Vaping in general.
Well, meant ohms law in just basic figuring amps & power needs. A 0.5Ω coil draws over 8amps. Most usb charging circuits are maxed either at 2.1a or .5a, 4 or 16 times less than needed .....just ain't gonna work [emoji1]
Daughter has a friend with a hi end car audio system .... Complete with a dedicated battery and large caps for powering his subs. EXACTLY what's needed for a passthru for your Orchid, or any sub ohm multi-coil atomizer for car travel! [emoji12] [emoji1]
Know only to well. My CRX Demo car before closing my shop after 23yrs. (I'm getting to old for all that, 61yrs)
I'm considering the Clouper Mini because, according to the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...40761-little-itty-bitty-mods-under-100-a.html thread, it's the smallest mini mod with a replaceable 18650.
But...I'm hesitating because of its "firing delay from Sleep".
Is this firing delay something one gets "used to" over time (or even "forget about")...or is it a real PIA that you just "put up with" because you like the other qualities (size, magnetic cover) of the CM???
Took me no time to adapt.
a quick bump when picking the mod up and .8 seconds later it is on lips and firing.
Here's a thought:
Get a real-deal reputable battery with a higher mah rating that is still safely above the CPmini's max input current spec of 8 Amps and you'll have a device that will last a lot longer between battery swaps.
For devices like the IPVmini that spec 13 amps max input, there is currently no battery on the market that has a higher than 2500 mah and a Continuous Discharge rating to match the device (eg, ~15amps), so we're stuck using slightly over-powered low-capacity batteries for it, like HE4's and 25r's.
Not so with this here CPmini. The Panasonic NCR 18650BD is 10Amp and 3200mah and will last me a good two days of pretty heavy vaping (in a two device rotation). And so far, after those two days, it's still reading ~3.8V when I finally pull the BD out to recharge. The upshot is that with this battery I never feel the need to use passthrough (or usb charging for that matter) even on a long car trip. However, if i really wanted passthrough, I think it best not rely on any battery device's supposed capability and simply purchase a decent dedicated 12V passthrough system thingy (like that big Innokin round deal).
Get a real-deal reputable battery with a higher mah rating that is still safely above the CPmini's max input current spec of 8 Amps and you'll have a device that will last a lot longer between battery swaps.
For devices like the IPVmini that spec 13 amps max input, there is currently no battery on the market that has a higher than 2500 mah and a Continuous Discharge rating to match the device (eg, ~15amps), so we're stuck using slightly over-powered low-capacity batteries for it, like HE4's and 25r's.
Not so with this here CPmini. The Panasonic NCR 18650BD is 10Amp and 3200mah and will last me a good two days of pretty heavy vaping (in a two device rotation). And so far, after those two days, it's still reading ~3.8V when I finally pull the BD out to recharge. The upshot is that with this battery I never feel the need to use passthrough (or usb charging for that matter) even on a long car trip. However, if i really wanted passthrough, I think it best not rely on any battery device's supposed capability and simply purchase a decent dedicated 12V passthrough system thingy (like that big Innokin round deal).
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I think it has more to do with vaping habits.
I go through (3) 2500mah a day on the mini using a RDA, so the Pani will not gain me extra days.
IPV mini's higher input is simply overhead and has nothing to do with output as the mod is limited to 30w/.5ohm = 7.8approx. amps
Ok, I'm with you on the first point. usage particulars dictate battery needs. But still, why not maximize your per-battery-vapage? And we both know that not all "2500mah's" are created equal...
Your second point confuses me somewhat. I realize that the IPVmini's input has nothing whatever to do with its output, but you're not suggesting that we can safely use a sub-13 amp battery in them, are you? Because what I know is this :
1) Watts In = Watts Out + Watts Used by Chip .
and
2) All Batteries Sag Under Load
so
The IPVmini at times may actually need to draw 13A from its battery in order to output a mere ~7.8A which is why I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of newer batteries onto the retail market like the mythical Samsung 30Q, which at 3000mah and 15A looks to be a winner for the IPVmini crowd.
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