Cloupor Mini Mod 30W

[crxess]

Ok, I'm with you on the first point. usage particulars dictate battery needs. But still, why not maximize your per-battery-vapage? And we both know that not all "2500mah's" are created equal...

Your second point confuses me somewhat. I realize that the IPVmini's input has nothing whatever to do with its output, but you're not suggesting that we can safely use a sub-13 amp battery in them, are you? Because what I know is this :
1) Watts In = Watts Out + Watts Used by Chip .
and
2) All batteries Sag Under Load
so
The IPVmini at times may actually need to draw 13A from its battery in order to output a mere ~7.8A which is why I'm anxiously awaiting the arrival of newer batteries onto the retail market like the mythical Samsung 30Q, which at 3000mah and 15A looks to be a winner for the IPVmini crowd.

Definitely NOT recommending using lower rated batteries for just those reasons. Battery sag increases as the battery is depleted do high Drain is a much safer option.
*that said, My only vapes at 7w/8w on an IPV mini and does use the panasonic CGR18650CH batteries.(Shhh)
I have not been convinced Higher Mah and High drain go together quite yet.
I'm using the Samsung 25R's in 3 of mine and MNKE's in another.

Both Mods in discussion have approx. 93% efficiency and I am hard pressed to believe the low input number on the Cloupor mini as both of mine out perform both of my IVP mini's at 30W and drain the batteries a bit faster.
Just my observation.

 

[siapaya]

What serial number was yours? Did it pass the 15 second test?

Cloupor did provide a way to identify and test these... Did you do that?


Bits scrambled by Tapatalk...

Which part got 'burned' and was it on fire (flame) or just melted? Also, what serial number was it?

My burnt cloupor Serial is 000221xx
I have done the 15sec test a week after purchase and couple times after that.

Siapaya reported in the original thread it was a 2 series, & passed the 15 second test. Read some other reports this 15 sec test is worthless, a false sense of security.

Thank you, Sir!

Your Mod shows exact signs of the circuit failure issue in that batch.
Your Second Photo goes against actual Fire/Flaming - Beyond the common melted hole in the plastic above the faulty circuit the Mod looks pristine.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...241940t-cloupor-mini-caught-fire-cloupor2.jpg
Crackle noise - Drip water on a hot stove - You do not need Flame or fire for water to Crackle off a Hot surface.
You should also NEVER use water on an assumed electrical fire.

Have you contacted Cloupor for a resolution yet?

Yours also clearly failed under quite different conditions than what others reported. Perhaps those conditions came into play in pushing the Mod past its failure point.

1) Owners Manual has no mention of use of Pass through.
2) Actual Mod specs do not mention using in Pass through.
3) Cloupor mini comes with USB dongle only - User mist supply correct power source.

* Cloupor makes one reference to < Passthrough Available> on their advertizing page, with no comments on proper usage.

* Joyetech warned against attempting Pass through on Low Batteries due to excessive current draw and it was only an 11w mod

Not blaming you or anyone else - Passthrough seems to be undocumented as to proper use and precautions by most if not all China manufacturers.

Well, up to you to decide. I can only tell that I saw with my own eyes, the fire-light torched on increasing size and make that hole there, before finally I water it down. I really dont know what were your points by saying I shouldnt use water when I saw ( and hold ) my burn cloupor.. Should I use , sand ?

I dont know why are you against 'fire on cloupor'. The word super-heating that you invented for the cloupor case , is not applicable to mine. Mine caught fire. If others only melt, then lucky them.







Do I hate cloupor for this ? No. They still have the cutest, lightest, tiniest and super affordable box mod for a 18650 replacable battery. So what do I use again now ? Another Cloupor mini.
The changes are :

1. I will not passthrough it
2. I will not use VV mode on it
3. I will charge my battery on separate charger

People can keep buy and loving Cloupor mini as they ( and I ) like, but they need to be seriously warned that their choice can burn their house down if some cautious is neglected.

If they want a cheap box mod and do everything with it, go buy iStick50 .

Have you considered Passthrough in the office to maintain battery for the trip Home?

Just want to add ,
I did passthrough in office when it get burnt. Did that for more than 20-30 times without problem. When it burnt, I'm on VV mode which were the 1st time for me to use VV mode while passthrough.
I wonder if there's any connection.

 

[Fergie]

Tks for the update siapaya

 

[crxess]

siapaya

Ok, I'd like to explain My opinion and understanding and I am not trying to call any particular user on the damage.

No one has stated they Saw Flames and found the mod on fire. I don't believe you did either siapaya.
Each report that included fire in the description seemed to include - when I opened it.
This is a very small unit with tightly fitted components leaving little to no room for an open flame.
When a component reaches a critical heat point surrounding materials start to Decompose or melt.
Organics decompose
Synthetics melt
In a Closed containment with little available oxygen this may continue, with off gassing of synthetics(Hot Glue/Plastic), until the circuit burns out.(component or trace) and power feed stops.
Opening any containment area and increasing oxygenated air can cause a Flair up, a flame.<which was not previously present>
Much like blowing over hot coals or opening a fire box door.

So, do I believe some have seen flame - Yes I do
Do I believe the mod Was actually burning before opening - not in consideration of design and materials

As to the water question. I can only speak from safety training in my country. Electrical fire and water do not play well.
Sand or other dry chemicals. Halon was the best extinguisher but has been banned.

I hope this makes a bit more sense on the subject. If not I really can't explain what 61yrs of learning has shown me.

Best wishes with your new replacement.

 

[Mactavish]

I'm considering the Clouper Mini because, according to the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...40761-little-itty-bitty-mods-under-100-a.html thread, it's the smallest mini mod with a replaceable 18650.

But...I'm hesitating because of its "firing delay from Sleep".

Is this firing delay something one gets "used to" over time (or even "forget about")...or is it a real PIA that you just "put up with" because you like the other qualities (size, magnetic cover) of the CM???

Answered your question in the "caught fire thread":
Its not a major issue to me, though if you are an iStick 30 owner it does take a bit of adjusting to. I just try and to remember to click the button on the way up to my mouth. This wakes the Clouper up, then it's ready to fire. It wakes up quick and does seem to stay awake for a decent amount of time, forget the exact time. If you change tops a lot a more inconvenient issue would be the screw adjusted firing pin, instead of a spring type.

 

[KenD]

I'm considering the Clouper Mini because, according to the http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...40761-little-itty-bitty-mods-under-100-a.html thread, it's the smallest mini mod with a replaceable 18650.

But...I'm hesitating because of its "firing delay from Sleep".

Is this firing delay something one gets "used to" over time (or even "forget about")...or is it a real PIA that you just "put up with" because you like the other qualities (size, magnetic cover) of the CM???

It's definitely not a big deal. I have two Cloupor zna50's that fire without any delay and I hardly notice any difference with my Cloupor Minis. The delay on my Hana clone is really annoying though.

 

[KenD]

Here's a thought:

Get a real-deal reputable battery with a higher mah rating that is still safely above the CPmini's max input current spec of 8 Amps and you'll have a device that will last a lot longer between battery swaps.

For devices like the IPVmini that spec 13 amps max input, there is currently no battery on the market that has a higher than 2500 mah and a Continuous Discharge rating to match the device (eg, ~15amps), so we're stuck using slightly over-powered low-capacity batteries for it, like HE4's and 25r's.

Not so with this here CPmini. The Panasonic NCR 18650BD is 10Amp and 3200mah and will last me a good two days of pretty heavy vaping (in a two device rotation). And so far, after those two days, it's still reading ~3.8V when I finally pull the BD out to recharge. The upshot is that with this battery I never feel the need to use passthrough (or usb charging for that matter) even on a long car trip. However, if i really wanted passthrough, I think it best not rely on any battery device's supposed capability and simply purchase a decent dedicated 12V passthrough system thingy (like that big Innokin round deal).

At high amp draws though batteries such as the LG he2 and 4 have more mAh in the useful voltage scope.

 

[gerrymi]

Took me no time to adapt.
a quick bump when picking the mod up and .8 seconds later it is on lips and firing.

Its not a major issue to me, though if you are an iStick 30 owner it does take a bit of adjusting to. I just try and to remember to click the button on the way up to my mouth. This wakes the Clouper up, then it's ready to fire. It wakes up quick and does seem to stay awake for a decent amount of time,

It's definitely not a big deal. I have two Cloupor zna50's that fire without any delay and I hardly notice any difference with my Cloupor Minis. The delay on my Hana clone is really annoying though.

Thanx crxess, Mactavish and KenD for the reassurances regarding my "preoccupation" with the CM's firing delay from sleep.

Guess I'm now off to GearBest to score a CM!

Get a real-deal reputable battery with a higher mah rating that is still safely above the CPmini's max input current spec of 8 Amps and you'll have a device that will last a lot longer between battery swaps.

Not so with this here CPmini. The Panasonic NCR 18650BD is 10Amp and 3200mah and will last me a good two days of pretty heavy vaping (in a two device rotation). And so far, after those two days, it's still reading ~3.8V when I finally pull the BD out to recharge.

Definitely NOT recommending using lower rated batteries for just those reasons. Battery sag increases as the battery is depleted do high Drain is a much safer option.
I have not been convinced Higher Mah and High drain go together quite yet.
I'm using the Samsung 25R's in 3 of mine and MNKE's in another.

I'm a little CORNfused...

I have a bunch of these that I use in my VAMO V5's:

Panasonic NCR18650B 3.7V 3400mAh

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DHXY72O

And a couple of these that I use in my IPV Mini:

Samsung INR18650-25R 18650 2500mAh 3.6v

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NUI45AU

Which one (or both) (or neither) would be wisest to use in the Clouper Mini???

 

[folkphys]

Thanx crxess and Mactavish for the reassurances regarding my "preoccupation" with the CM's firing delay from sleep.

Guess I'm now off to GearBest to score a CM!





I'm a little CORNfused...

I have a bunch of these that I use in my VAMO V5's:

Panasonic NCR18650B 3.7V 3400mAh

Amazon.com: Two Panasonic NCR18650B 3.7V 3400mAh Rechargeable Li-ion Batteries QTY 2: Electronics

And a couple of these that I use in my IPV Mini:

Samsung INR18650-25R 18650 2500mAh 3.6v

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NUI45AU

Which one (or both) (or neither) would be wisest to use in the Clouper Mini???

Neither in my opinion. The NCR18650B has a max continuous discharge rating of 6.8A. So it's lower --admittedly not by much-- than the CPmini's spec of 8A. Maybe ok. maybe not. why risk it, right? And if, like me you're inclined to believe what crxess suspects about Cloupor's spec falling a hair on the low side of things, I'd use a 10A battery (at least) and that means the Pannys NCR18650BD/NCR18650PF for 3200 and 2900 mah respectively. I get almost twice the usable vapedurations from the BD than I got with a 25r in the CPmini.

 

[KenD]

Thanx crxess, Mactavish and KenD for the reassurances regarding my "preoccupation" with the CM's firing delay from sleep.

Guess I'm now off to GearBest to score a CM!





I'm a little CORNfused...

I have a bunch of these that I use in my VAMO V5's:

Panasonic NCR18650B 3.7V 3400mAh

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DHXY72O

And a couple of these that I use in my IPV Mini:

Samsung INR18650-25R 18650 2500mAh 3.6v

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NUI45AU

Which one (or both) (or neither) would be wisest to use in the Clouper Mini???

If authentic, the Samsung 25r is a really good battery. Among the best available at the moment.

 

[crxess]

Something is askew. Mah specs alone tell little about battery performance.
If you are going to Vape in the 20w/30w range. I only recommend 20a continuous or higher batteries. As battery reserves drain, the battery becomes taxed heavily through the Regulated mods attempt to maintain power output. It is not visible on the Cloupor display but Clear as a bell on the IPV display which is reading available battery during load conditions.
Always good to have a percentage of headroom just in case.

I will not Judge what an individual chooses to use as I also use Panasonic CGR18650CH 10a batteries at times. Those times are when using no more than a 7w-9w Tank on top.
I personally will not sacrifice safe margins for duration. My preference only.

 

[thewomenfolk]

Something is askew. Mah specs alone tell little about battery performance.
If you are going to Vape in the 20w/30w range. I only recommend 20a continuous or higher batteries. As battery reserves drain, the battery becomes taxed heavily through the Regulated mods attempt to maintain power output. It is not visible on the Cloupor display but Clear as a bell on the IPV display which is reading available battery during load conditions.
Always good to have a percentage of headroom just in case.

I will not Judge what an individual chooses to use as I also use Panasonic CGR18650CH 10a batteries at times. Those times are when using no more than a 7w-9w Tank on top.
I personally will not sacrifice safe margins for duration. My preference only.

How do you define a 7 to 9 watt tank?

 

[crxess]

How do you define a 7 to 9 watt tank?

LOL - for me, that's a Protank II with the aerotank AFC base decent air flow and nice vape around 8w
Honestly, I usually use my Orchid's or Magma's at 30w

There are several good mid class clearo tanks on the market. tanks that work well under 10w without falling back to cheap clearomizers.
A kayfun with a decent 1.6-1.7ohm build will also work well around 9w, though better around 11-13w

 

[thewomenfolk]

I'm using a Kayfun now that's old, got it a year ago and just now building it. But it doesn't leak and I've got the Nano parts on it. But...my brand new Kayfun Lite plus V2 clone is leaking all over the place and I don't see finding a fix, tired of switching out O-rings, etc. It's even worse than the Orchid I traded for juice the other day. Sure wish I could find another old Kayfun lite with only one small air hole.

 

[folkphys]

At high amp draws though batteries such as the LG he2 and 4 have more mAh in the useful voltage scope.

You're correct for a 20A draw. But you're wrong for 10A, though I was surprised at how close it was. That is to say: how almost right you were.

For example:
At 10A
the NCR 18650PF gets ~2800mah
and
the HE4 gets ~2500mah

And that is not near as much of a difference as I would have expected, which is why I went ahead and grabbed a pair of HE4's. Because I was impressed. They also appear to outperform the 25r, though only slightly.

 

[KenD]

You're correct for a 20A draw. But you're wrong for 10A, though I was surprised at how close it was. That is to say: how almost right you were.

For example:
At 10A
the NCR 18650PF gets ~2800mah
and
the HE4 gets ~2500mah

And that is not near as much of a difference as I would have expected, which is why I went ahead and grabbed a pair of HE4's. Because I was impressed. They also appear to outperform the 25r, though only slightly.

I don't know. Tests at 5 amps on dampfakkus show the LG he2 having 1050 mAh down to 3.5v and the Panasonic pf having 962 mAh to the same voltage. My Minis cut out at around 3.45-3.6v, depending on the battery (higher drain batteries cut out at a slightly lower voltage, so that's something to keep in mind as well).

 

[crxess]

People seem to forget, or just do not understand battery variances. In RC use we attempt to Match batteries for best performance. Often it can take many batteries to find (2) that match and are of the performance sought.

You cannot judge overall battery performance from a Data sheet or by comparing one Brand (A) battery to one Brand (B) battery. Did you purchase a Best of line cell or was it a long time stored item degrading over time.<Often impossible to know>
There are to many variables in single/limited purchase items to make any fair judgment beyond >>>In my personal Experience<<<

*This is why we use member recommendations and experiences to gather data to support our own next purchase.
**This is also why I get so flustered when people not involved in the actual topic jump into these threads and Post Troll comments clouding Discussions.(i.e. frogina....)

We each have our personal bad, good, best experiences and sharing is what builds the community.

 

[geekmedic]

Looking for a cup holder for both of my mini's, two mod or single mod holder with juice. Anyone have an idea where to find one? I looked at JWrap and they have several different cup holders, but nothing specific for the Cloupor Mini, will something they have work?

 

[ahwest]

question on battery,

is it safe to use panasonic CGR18650CH on the Cloupor Mini with Subtank Mini 0.5Ohm coil? if not, will 1.2ohm coil be better?

 

[crxess]

question on battery,

is it safe to use panasonic CGR18650CH on the Cloupor Mini with Subtank Mini 0.5Ohm coil? if not, will 1.2ohm coil be better?

Safe - Yes / 10a battery - .5ohm/30w/7.7a
1.2ohm - longer between charges
Better overall performance from a higher amp rated battery as recommended.
Samsung INR 25R
LG HE2/HE4
Any Sony VTC available
MNKE - only 1500mah but about equal in vape time to Panasonic.
These are all 20a or more continuous