Co-Worker Upset about Secondhand Vapor

[cigarbabe]

When I see these posts, I often wonder whether it's the anti-smoking, anti-vaping crowd looking to see how many of us are willing to honor their freedom and personal space. I stand by my beliefs that even though it may be nearly harmless, vaping can invade other people's freedom. My freedom stops where other's freedom begins. It's not really that difficult to excuse myself and stealth vape in the bathroom, or (horror) go outside and get some fresh air while vaping. Taking a belligerent attitude toward vaping being a right isn't going to help the movement go forward. All it really does is give them ammunition to use against us when it really matters. Some "anti" is going to step in front of a hearing and talk about how a vaper refused to not vape in an enclosed area, and we'll be dead in the water.

There isn't anything we can do as a group or individuals to counteract ignorance
and the unwillingness to look at the facts on vaping such as they are now.
That is what makes us "dead in the water" imo.
We can be as polite as pie and still we won't make any headway because of the spin on facts the FDA,news organizations and the ANTZ continually repeat as "truth", like there being "antifreeze" in our juices or nicotine alone causes cancer and heart disease.
I wonder how many here even know that the "second hand smoke scam" according to actual studies only affects the top layer of skin and it does not cause lung cancer?
You cannot breathe in 2 seconds or two years of smoke and get any of the myriad diseases they would have you believe nicotine causes.
This is why I will not vape outdoors unless the place {where I am} has a "no vaping policy" on the wall or the manager asks me politely to refrain.
I mean really how far have the "niceties" gotten us so far?
As Rolygate has stated in my signature
"Beliefs are impervious to fact"!
C.B.

 

[zoiDman]

There isn't anything we can do as a group or individuals to counteract ignorance
and the unwillingness to look at the facts on vaping such as they are now.
...

What "Facts" are you referring to?

 

[juicejunky]

You do bring up a good point. Some people are sensitive to PG and they would have a valid complaint in this case. I know there's even certain juices that i don't want to be around because I can't stand the smell.

I'm allergic to pet dander, yet I have to fly with pets in the cabin. People with severe peanut allergies can't fly at all without masks and wiping down their entire seats and tray tables.

I don't like body odor , bad breath or flatulence, but I don't think there should be policies or laws that people have to wear deodorant, use mouthwash, or not fart in public. I cope. Tolerance is a virtue that was left behind in the last century.

Face it people hate smoking period and even the smell or visual of smoking makes them go into self-righteous mode. Back in the days people smoked everywhere, everyone smelled like smoke and didn't give it a second thought. Hoards of people haven't developed cancer from the constant second hand smoke they inhaled. There wouldn't be many flight attendants or bartenders alive over 70 if it gave you cancer like the propaganda has us believe.

 

[cigarbabe]

What "Facts" are you referring to?

There isn't one study out there that says there is "DANGER, DANGER WILL ROBINSON"! in the exhale or in vaping as far as it has been tested. Should you choose to believe otherwise that is your choice.
C.B.

 

[zoiDman]

But by the same token, there aren’t any studies out there that say that vaporized Nicotine, Flavorings, Sweeteners and or Colorants are safe either.

So I guess there are No Real facts about e-Cigs yet.

 

[zoiDman]

BTW – It would be nice to know why the OP chose to omit a Major portion of post #46?

 

[SharonCC]

Well, I have to say that I wonder about that "view" of second hand smoke. My sister is a pediatric OR nurse. While assisting surgery on a child, she asked the doctor what were the dark spots on the child's lungs. The doctor replied...smoking parents. I didn't smoke inside after that.

There isn't anything we can do as a group or individuals to counteract ignorance
and the unwillingness to look at the facts on vaping such as they are now.
That is what makes us "dead in the water" imo.
We can be as polite as pie and still we won't make any headway because of the spin on facts the FDA,news organizations and the ANTZ continually repeat as "truth", like there being "antifreeze" in our juices or nicotine alone causes cancer and heart disease.
I wonder how many here even know that the "second hand smoke scam" according to actual studies only affects the top layer of skin and it does not cause lung cancer?
You cannot breathe in 2 seconds or two years of smoke and get any of the myriad diseases they would have you believe nicotine causes.
This is why I will not vape outdoors unless the place {where I am} has a "no vaping policy" on the wall or the manager asks me politely to refrain.
I mean really how far have the "niceties" gotten us so far?
As Rolygate has stated in my signature
"Beliefs are impervious to fact"!
C.B.

 

[caged]

I'm allergic to pet dander, yet I have to fly with pets in the cabin. People with severe peanut allergies can't fly at all without masks and wiping down their entire seats and tray tables.

I don't like body odor , bad breath or flatulence, but I don't think there should be policies or laws that people have to wear deodorant, use mouthwash, or not fart in public. I cope. Tolerance is a virtue that was left behind in the last century.

Face it people hate smoking period and even the smell or visual of smoking makes them go into self-righteous mode. Back in the days people smoked everywhere, everyone smelled like smoke and didn't give it a second thought. Hoards of people haven't developed cancer from the constant second hand smoke they inhaled. There wouldn't be many flight attendants or bartenders alive over 70 if it gave you cancer like the propaganda has us believe.

If something someone is doing can cause sever pain to someone (i.e. eating peanuts next to someone who is allergic), that person is extremely ignorant, especially in a work environment where the person with the allergy can not get away and is forced to put up with it day after day. Having said that, I do not think that is the case in this situation.

And no, I don't like the smell of cigarettes anymore, but I can easily get away from it so it's not a big deal. Also, I've worked with people who had bad body order where people complained about it and said person was asked to do something about it.

 

[cigarbabe]

Well, I have to say that I wonder about that "view" of second hand smoke. My sister is a pediatric OR nurse. While assisting surgery on a child, she asked the doctor what were the dark spots on the child's lungs. The doctor replied...smoking parents. I didn't smoke inside after that.

I have yet to see any studies where second hand smoke has caused cancer in a child or an adult.
I suspect her surgeon pal was doing nothing more than voicing his "feelings" on smoking.
If you think that's enough to move away when you smoke well that is your prerogative.
It would not make me react in the same way.
Both of my parents smoked with six children and none of us had asthma,cancer,heart disease or any of the other foolishness the ACS and WHO claim you can get from second hand smoke.
I always think people have read more and researched things better with the more exposure to the internet, books and studies but apparently this isn't so as evidenced by some of the responses here.
I'm not pointing out anyone in particular but common sense is just that.

But by the same token, there aren’t any studies out there that say that vaporized Nicotine, Flavorings, Sweeteners and or Colorants are safe either.

So I guess there are No Real facts about e-Cigs yet.

What it does prove is that it is not as harmful as you keep saying!
Is it 100% safe?
No and neither is living but I'm willing to accept whatever percentage it turns out to be
as better for me than smoking was! My asthma and bronchitis and alleged COPD has all but disappeared since a month after I started vaping. I stopped using the 4 inhalers I needed to get through every single day and I can now walk my dog again.
I smoked nearly 2 1/2 - 3 packs a day for 37 years and HALLELUIAH I am FREE!

I don't need a government sanctioned study to tell me my health has improved tremendously from not smoking and substituting vaping in it's place.
I think the FDA study did indeed prove that vaping is not harmful even though the FDA lied and twisted it's conclusions. It proved there were nowhere near the level of harmful carcinogens.
As for the vapor you know as well as I do most is absorbed into the buccal mucosa ,lungs.
C.B.

 

[SharonCC]

Please don't insult anyone's intelligence here, because your opinion is not shared.

I read quite a lot, but I'm intelligent enough to realize that all articles are not written by well informed people, especially on the internet. I think you'd find it difficult to find any legitimate study that actually states there is no harm in second hand smoke. BTW, the surgeon was not a "pal", as you put it, but a very well educated professional.
It's not wise to close your eyes to things you don't want to see...Maybe your asthma, bronchitis, and alleged COPD were actually brought on by exposure as a child, and smoking later. I smoked for 36years(no exposure as a child) and didn't develop problems at all....You can choose to believe what you'd like, but don't assume that someone else is somehow "misinformed" because we do not share your views.

I won't be commenting further, as it's rather pointless.

 

[zoiDman]

I have yet to see any studies where second hand smoke has caused cancer in a child or an adult.
I suspect her surgeon pal was doing nothing more than voicing his "feelings" on smoking.
If you think that's enough to move away when you smoke well that is your prerogative.
It would not make me react in the same way.
Both of my parents smoked with six children and none of us had asthma,cancer,heart disease or any of the other foolishness the ACS and WHO claim you can get from second hand smoke.
I always think people have read more and researched things better with the more exposure to the internet, books and studies but apparently this isn't so as evidenced by some of the responses here.
I'm not pointing out anyone in particular but common sense is just that.



What it does prove is that it is not as harmful as you keep saying!
Is it 100% safe?
No and neither is living but I'm willing to accept whatever percentage it turns out to be
as better for me than smoking was! My asthma and bronchitis and alleged COPD has all but disappeared since a month after I started vaping. I stopped using the 4 inhalers I needed to get through every single day and I can now walk my dog again.
I smoked nearly 2 1/2 - 3 packs a day for 37 years and HALLELUIAH I am FREE!

I don't need a government sanctioned study to tell me my health has improved tremendously from not smoking and substituting vaping in it's place.
I think the FDA study did indeed prove that vaping is not harmful even though the FDA lied and twisted it's conclusions. It proved there were nowhere near the level of harmful carcinogens.
As for the vapor you know as well as I do most is absorbed into the buccal mucosa ,lungs.
C.B.

There just isn’t much you can say to someone who doesn’t believe that Second Hand Smoke presents a Clear and Present Danger.

It is also pointless to discuss a topic with someone if they believe that if something presents a Smaller Risk to their health, that it presents No Risk to the people around them.

 

[pounder]

I suspect that she is a control freak.send her a memo letting her know that you will not vape when she is within 15 feet of you while she is breathing and when she is within 5 feet of you she will not breathe while you are vaping.End of problem.

 

[casualuser]

Hi everyone - Just to update I can now vape regularly in my office bec the health dept said that they cannot issue a citation for it bec its not legislated. I did change the original post somewhat bec on the off chance that she sees this board I didn't wanna give her the satisfaction.

She isn't happy but she can't do much. However - I do keep it to a minimum meaning I really only vape when she's out of the office mostly.

 

[Uma]

Here is an interview with Dr. Brad Rodu discussing NICOTINE and how it is NOT harmful. Might be worth putting on the PA system or a memo from the boss. Dr. Brad Rodu: E-Cigarettes | The Heartland Institute

 

[cigarbabe]

Hi everyone - Just to update I can now vape regularly in my office bec the health dept said that they cannot issue a citation for it bec its not legislated. I did change the original post somewhat bec on the off chance that she sees this board I didn't wanna give her the satisfaction.

She isn't happy but she can't do much. However - I do keep it to a minimum meaning I really only vape when she's out of the office mostly.

I'd call that a win!
I for one am glad you are able to still vape and you do it discretely so no one should have any complaints.
Except the ones who believe they are being somehow "harmed"


SharonCC I should believe a doctor upon opening a child's rib cage happens to see " dark spots" and without doing any further biopsies or studies on said spots makes a conclusive judgement that it is indeed from smoking? Why would anyone take that as fact including your sister?
Please no reply is necessary.

Zoidman if second hand vapor was as dangerous as you and the ANTZ would have folks believe then anyone who has ever been in a room with a smoker should have croaked by now from some kind of cancer, heart disease or nicotine addiction etc. since they claim being in a room for thirty minutes can cause these disease but we haven't seen any of that have we?
Honestly I don't see your point.
I do not believe based on the studies I have read from different sources that second or the the alleged "THS" hand smoke affects anything but the top most layers of the skin after prolonged exposure.
I cannot remember what the time limits were but breathing smoke for half an hour will not give you cancer. Surely all of my family should be dead if that were indeed true.
I don't believe one set of facts can fit every person either. What may happen to some may never happen to others. I am not saying you should by the way but to anyone who is that worried about vaping being more dangerous or just as bad as smoking please stop vaping.
Do you enjoy vaping?
Yes?
Then vape on if not stop and find another distraction or hobby it is so simple.

On second hand smoke exposure;
I don't believe that is true for every single person on earth but for the majority it is probably mostly harmless with no more severe symptoms than eye irritation, coughing and throat irritation not deadly diseases which will cause you to die.
Of course this is my opinion you are free to believe as you wish.
Vaping for me is 99 9/10 % safer than smoking has ever been for me.
C.B.

 

[kinabaloo]

But by the same token, there aren’t any studies out there that say that vaporized Nicotine, Flavorings, Sweeteners and or Colorants are safe either.

So I guess there are No Real facts about e-Cigs yet.

While smoke is loaded with toxins, including radioactive polonium, vaping has very few. While the risk is not zero, it is incredibly small by the time of dilution into the general air.

Nothing can be declared 'safe' - there's no such thing. Even vitamins, which are essential to good heath, are double edged; that's just the way it is. Oxygen is the main cause of aging, leading us eventually to fatality as the body is weakened (repair can never be perfect).

There are emissions from factories, cars, power stations, volcanoes, weapons, kitchens, ... that dwarf the intake of second-hand vapor.

It's just a matter of putting it in perspective.

People also exhale toxins in their respiration and as a result of digestion. Then there are perfumes and deoderants and cosmetics, etc., all releasing stuff into the air. Nobody is blameless.

 

[circuitsucka]

just go on a diet consisting of eggs, beans, cabbage, onion and garlic and let her enjoy the other lovely organic vapours you emit........

 

[rbuck9]

your coworker should be more concerned about the off gassing from her office pc and furniture, than from vaping

 

[G9K]

While smoke is loaded with toxins, including radioactive polonium, ...

Radioactive Polonium?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Yes, tobacco smoke has been found to contain polonium 210. It is also in food. This is the stuff that was famously used to assassinate Alexander Litvinenko in the UK, and is one of the most poisonous substances known.