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billherbst

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Today I finished my batch of five Cornell & Diehl pipe tobacco blends after a 2-day heat-assisted maceration using all VG as the solvent, followed by an entire day of filtering. (Yes, I know, this is the cold-maceration thread, but we're all family here, right?)

Here's the list:

Cornell & Diehl Autumn Evening (Aromatic Pipe Blend)
A red Virginia Cavendish cased with a delicate maple/vanilla flavor.
This is one of those rare aromatics that actually tastes the same as it smells.
The three day process that’s used to make the blend is what insures the flavor and aroma.


Cornell & Diehl No. 458 Poplar Camp (Non-Aromatic Pipe Blend)
Poplar Camp is a great example of the Virginia/Perique genre.
Bright and red Virginias have been toasted to develop more depth and a more
caramelized type of sweetness and the Perique brings some zip to the proceedings.


Cornell & Diehl Old Joe Krantz (Non-Aromatic Pipe Blend)
Another Bob Runowski creation for Cornell & Diehl, Old Joe Krantz uses the nuttiness
of cubed Burley, the earthy spice of dark Burley, the toasty sweetness of red Virginia
and the musty/sweet spice of Perique to create a heady, rich smoke.


Cornell & Diehl Oriental Silk (Non-Aromatic Pipe Blend)
Oriental Silk is a different kind of blend made of a healthy dose of sweet Virginias
wedded to some excellent Turkish tobacco and rounded out with Perique, rather than
the expected Latakia. The result is rich and hearty with a nice tang.


Cornell & Diehl Serenity Consolation Vintage (English Pipe Blend)
A true American/English comprised of Virginia, cubed Burley,
toasted black Cavendish, Turkish and Latakia; slightly sweet and smoky.


I wasn't happy with how the French Press performed using the "sandwich" filtering---first the plunger's wire mesh, then the 2.5-micron Ahlstrom filter in the middle, and finally the 5-micron poly felt. The 2.5-micron paper lab filter was held in place perfectly well, but it required a very slow plunger travel, and I wasn't able to "plunge" slowly enough to keep some unfiltered solvent from oozing up around the inside wall of the glass carafe. The French Press method works beautifully using just the plunger's wire mesh and the 5-micron poly felt, but not with the third, finer-pore filter added.

So, I reverted to a two-stage filtering. First I used the French Press with poly felt to take out the solid mass of tobacco and get the solvent filtered down to 5 microns, then I set up a tiny funnel I have that's designed for filling juice bottles into which I placed one layer of the 9 cm 2.5-micron paper lab filters. Each maceration yielded about 75ml of extract, but the funnel holds only about 20ml at one time, so the gravity filtering took three pours for each maceration. No problem, really. Each 75ml volume of VG extract took about two hours to gravity filter into the bottles, so the whole process took about ten hours with a fresh filter for each of the five extracts. I'm pleased to confirm that 100% VG will indeed go through the filters with gravity alone, even if it's not a particularly speedy process.

These all-VG pipe extracts will definitely need steeping time for the flavors to develop fully, but I expect them to be very tasty in a month or so. I'm looking forward to finding out how cleanly the DIY juices made from them perform with the finer filtering. I don't expect any miraculous absence of crusting/gunking, but I'm hopeful that the additional filtering to 2.5 microns will produce a noticeable improvement in their benign effects on coils and wicks by diminishing or at least ......ing the accumulation of carbon.

Since I have all-VG extracts and all-VG ultra-clean VapersTek nic (which is remarkable for allowing flavors to shine through with no adulteration), I can actually make 100% VG NETs from this batch. We'll see how that goes.
 

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That's good to hear Bill. I only ever did a 100% VG soak once and it was hard work filtering (with a syringe and cotton), enough to let someone else work out how to do it. The results were good though. I have been thinking about getting hold of some C & D Joe Krantz, and recently did C & D Habana Daydream and Star of the East, both of which are showing very good promise. I love their Billy Budd too so C & D is certainly getting some interest from me. Be interested to hear your impressions in due course. Its just possible that C & D use extraction-friendly casings and toppings, maybe too early to make a call on that, but I have been impressed so far.
 

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I stumbled through soaking some ten year aged Dunhill Nightcap in drugstore VG. No nicotine. This sat at a warm room temp for several days before straining through coffee filters. Another rest and noticed sediment in the bottle.

End result, with a careful pour to another bottle some/most of the sediment stayed in the steep bottle and I enjoyed the vape even if it did gunk up the coils of my dripper rather fast. Now, I am shopping for a French Press and better filter material.
 

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C & D have peaked my interest as well after I tried Billy Budd. Haven't tried Autumn Evening but it sounds very "in season" now. Instead I'm mixing small amounts of Ahlusion Maple Wild Wood with various home extracts. Ever since I started home extraction, I've been interested less and less in commercial juices. Even classics like Smooth Criminal, they just dont grab me anymore.

I recently extracted pure Latakia and I love it. Its a lot like w2v Paris Blend, except my home brewed version vapes much cleaner. Diluted at 20% I can go through 5-10mils before needing to dry burn or re-coil. Maybe its closer to 5mls.

I'm noticing Latakia heavy blends tend to take longer to gravity filter. And they stain the lab paper funnels in a thicker, grainier way. And they tend to gunk a little faster than other extracts, even though they are all filtered to 3 micron. Personally I think its well worth it. The smokiness inherent in Latakia makes vaping extracts of it the closest thing to actually smoking IMO. But I suspect the "smokey" particles infused into the tobacco during the curing process are an element that contributes to high gunking for vapers.
 

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Ever since I started home extraction, I've been interested less and less in commercial juices. Even classics like Smooth Criminal, they just dont grab me anymore.

Yes, home extracting has pretty much ruined retail NETs for me (or ruined me for them). With a precious few exceptions for old favorites I still vape daily (Ahl Caramel Wild Wood) or continue to want to have around for when the mood strikes (GeJ Vita Bella), I no longer buy any retail NETs or extracts and don't even keep up with what's available from vendors.

I'm not suggesting that my homemade extracts and those of my compatriot home extractors are better than retail NETs across the board. Sometimes they are, other times not. That's a case by case assessment. Just as in retail NETs, my own personal bell curve in judging homemade extracts covers a wide range of personal reactions, from Wow! and Yummy through OK to Meh and So What? In general, though, I feel that the overall quality of my extracts and those of my friends here can easily hold their own against comparable retail offerings.

Now that I have 50 extracts of my own and a similar number received from swaps with my friends, very few open slots remain on my vaping NET dance card.

The same shift has occurred for me with non-tobacco flavored juices. Except for the occasional old retail fave, I DIY most juices I vape at this point. My days of scanning the deal threads for vendor juice sales are long gone. I wish vendors well, but I am no longer a retail juice customer.
 

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I love this thread, I finally took the plunge and have my first NET's going. I chose mostly Black Cav. tobaccos to start with and I am on day 10 with 4 of them. I opted to do the cold method first as it seems almost to easy lol.

It really is dead simple to get very good results. If you'd like to try a couple of my extractions while yours soak, give me a shout next time you're in Columbia.
 

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Hi Extract Family, I have a few questions.
After filtering is done what is everyone storing extracts that is not being used in?
Glass bottles, jars or plastic bottles?
And where?
Dark place , box, closet or the fridge?

Boston clear glass bottles with glass dropper tops, 2 oz. and 4 oz., mostly, except when I run out of them, in which case I use whatever plastic juice bottles I have that are large enough to hold a couple ounces. My preference is glass, however.

Stored in the drawer of a cabinet with a translucent door, so it's not totally dark. I don't store any extracts in the fridge---with 50 extracts, my fridge isn't close to large enough for food and extracts too. Heck, my freezer is already crowded with 6 liters of liquid nic, and another liter in the fridge door.

I haven't noticed any deterioration of flavor or potency even with extracts that are now 18 months old.
 

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Hi Extract Family, I have a few questions.
After filtering is done what is everyone storing extracts that is not being used in?
Glass bottles, jars or plastic bottles?
And where?
Dark place , box, closet or the fridge?
Thank in advance,
Judi
Happy Vaping!!

I only store in glass containers. Mine are cobalt blue glass dropper bottles (droppers are glass too), so light isn't a problem no matter where they are stored. I have "several" dozen 30ml (1 oz), and 60ml (2 oz), with dropper tops and two dozen 120ml (4 oz) with phenolic caps. I bought mine in bulk from Amazon but several on-line vape suppliers also carry them (Heartland, RTS, Wizard labs). I store all my extracts at room temperature in drawers, 100mg nicotine is the only thing I store in the freezer.
 

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Hi Extract Family, I have a few questions.
After filtering is done what is everyone storing extracts that is not being used in?
Glass bottles, jars or plastic bottles?
And where?
Dark place , box, closet or the fridge?
Thank in advance,
Judi
Happy Vaping!!


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I store my extracts in brown Boston Round glass bottles. They are in an open top box in the closet. I have some rolled up plastic over them to diffuse and reduce the light that gets to them.
 

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Hi Extract Family, I have a few questions.
After filtering is done what is everyone storing extracts that is not being used in?
Glass bottles, jars or plastic bottles?
And where?
Dark place , box, closet or the fridge?
Thank in advance,
Judi
Happy Vaping!!


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1/2 pint canning jars, they sell them on Amazon.com
 

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Vaping my first very very crude extraction. Cold macerated five weeks, filtered through coffee filter . Mixed at 20 %, no steeping. It's not a tobacco mind, it's a spiced black tea ( cinnamon, cardamom, black pepper ). I am very encouraged. Encouraged enough to give macerations an honest try. Even if this doesn't improve, it's thoroughly vapeable. No mistaking it for anything other than a spiced black tea, with no sweetener. Will be filtering this extract and letting it steep to see how it changes in taste.

I need to buy some filter paper, order a couple more teas and a few tobacco's. I want to filter down to 2 microns. Is there a need for an intermediate filter, or can i go straight from coffee filter paper to 2 microns ?

I will report back on the gunking after i am done with the 2 ml i loaded in my kfl.

I want to thank everyone on this thread for the inspiration to try !
 

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......... Is there a need for an intermediate filter, or can i go straight from coffee filter paper to 2 microns ?


I don't know about tea but for tobacco macerations, I think the size (surface area), of the filter paper being used, its retention rating (microns), and the amount of extract to be filtered are important to determining if pre-filtering is necessary. The higher the filter's retention rating the faster it will load up and slow the filtering process. If you were using a 12-15cm diameter 2 micron paper filter and processing less than 100ml through it I really doubt you'd need to pre-filter. My setup is a different story. I filter 30-60ml of extract through a 4cm section of 2 micron paper and in this setup pre-filtering is necessary due to the small surface area of the filter I use. I pre-filter through reusable (cleanable), 5 micron felt.

I've yet to try extracting flavor from tea but have thought about processing a batch of "Constant Comment", I really enjoy that stuff on a cold Winter day!
 

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this is what my voil and wick looked like after about 1.5 ml vaped. any suggestions for reasonably priced 2 micron and possibly 5 or 6 micron filter paper. with cheap or free shipping ?

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this is what my voil and wick looked like after about 1.5 ml vaped. any suggestions for reasonably priced 2 micron and possibly 5 or 6 micron filter paper. with cheap or free shipping ?

Here are the filters I use for final filtering: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006H8WOQC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

ETA: Looks like they're out of stock in that size right now. Click on "see all 17 products" and it will show you other sizes (diameter) and pricing.
 
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