Cold maceration of tobacco

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Ian444

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The filters seem to be doing a great job. I cut each large filter paper into 3 smaller circles for these little 30ml jars. I recovered about 10 to 13ml extract per jar, starting with 14.4ml of solvent and about 1/6 oz of tobacco, and each extract will make around 80 to 100ml mixed juice. The Star of the East came out really dark, looks like used motor oil from a diesel truck ;) can't wait to sample it (its the one in the middle).

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Close-up of the rum twist.

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Ian, your stuff looks great! Glad the filters are working for you. Let us know more when you start mixing.

I'm really happy with my last batch of three tobaccos. Two are going to replace some others that I was already pleased with.

Well if you are sending them to the round file, I volunteer to recycle them. lol

I'll be shipping you some extract to sample when I get a couple more empty bottles.
 

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Wow. I just read thru this whole thread and I must say I'm impressed! I'm still getting off the ground with DIY, but I'll deffinitely use this thread for refference. Good thing I have a very good cigar/tobacco shop near me!

Welcome! If you have any questions, ask away.
 

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Took over a week to accomplish but I finally finished re-filtering all of my stored NETs using the 2 micron filter paper. I sampled many of them after re-filtering and believe they continue to improve with age, several were a year old and tasted quite wonderful. The 1 micron poly felt will be in this week so I get to experiment with higher levels of filtration and If I like the results 0.5 micron is available at a reasonable price. To assist in such endeavors I'm rigging up a "hodgepodge" micro 12v vacuum filtration system that uses common canning jars in place of a filtration flask and a mechanically sealed filter assembly in place of a Buchner funnel. Odd looking (laughable), as I just used items I had on hand but if higher levels of filtration prove to be advantageous I will set out to fabricate a "serious" setup.

I currently have 10 room temperature macerations going and two of them reached the 4 week mark today. I used PG/PGA blended solvents in all 10 and thus far am very satisfied with the results. The blended solvent was able to extract an expanded range of flavor nuances which is exactly what I had sought, however, I will withhold final judgment until they have been filtered and well steeped. In the near future I plan to experiment with additional solvent blends incorporating PG, PGA, deionized water and VG. I have been reluctant to use deionized water as both PG and PGA are hygroscopic.
 

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I received the 1 micron poly filter felt in the mail and set out to try it on a batch of "Billy Bud" that was ready and waiting. Expecting considerable flow resistance, I set up the vacuum filtration system and poured the flavor saturated solvent in but what happened next surprised me. I never got to turn the vacuum system on because the PG drizzled through the 1 micron filter felt just as fast as it does through 5 micron felt. With gravity alone 60ml took maybe 5 minutes to filter through. At first I thought the mechanical seal holding the felt was somehow allowing solvent to bypass the filter. I re-seated/checked everything and repeated the process but ended up with the same results. I decided to use a larger piece of the 1 micron felt folded into a cone and set inside the mouth of a large canning jar, but as I poured the solvent in it began drizzling right through. I could be wrong but seriously doubt this felt is retaining particles anywhere near 1 micron in diameter. Having lost confidence in the felt's retention rating/efficiency, I mounted a 2 micron qualitative filter paper in the vacuum system and poured the same solvent in but this time no drip. I turned the system on and under vacuum it took about 5 minutes to filter the batch. Even after all the solvent had processed through, the now dry filter paper was still so "tight" I was able to maintain a respectable vacuum against it. While the 1 micron filter felt was a complete bust, the Billy Bud turned out quite delicious!
 

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I received the 1 micron poly filter felt in the mail and set out to try it on a batch of "Billy Bud" that was ready and waiting. Expecting considerable flow resistance, I set up the vacuum filtration system and poured the flavor saturated solvent in but what happened next surprised me. I never got to turn the vacuum system on because the PG drizzled through the 1 micron filter felt just as fast as it does through 5 micron felt. With gravity alone 60ml took maybe 5 minutes to filter through. At first I thought the mechanical seal holding the felt was somehow allowing solvent to bypass the filter. I re-seated/checked everything and repeated the process but ended up with the same results. I decided to use a larger piece of the 1 micron felt folded into a cone and set inside the mouth of a large canning jar, but as I poured the solvent in it began drizzling right through. I could be wrong but seriously doubt this felt is retaining particles anywhere near 1 micron in diameter. Having lost confidence in the felt's retention rating/efficiency, I mounted a 2 micron qualitative filter paper in the vacuum system and poured the same solvent in but this time no drip. I turned the system on and under vacuum it took about 5 minutes to filter the batch. Even after all the solvent had processed through, the now dry filter paper was still so "tight" I was able to maintain a respectable vacuum against it. While the 1 micron filter felt was a complete bust, the Billy Bud turned out quite delicious!
I was hoping you were on to something with the one micron felt. As with about everything to do with extraction, trial and error remains the primary way we push the envelope. Anyway, performance is still pretty darn good with 2 micron filtration.:)
 

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I received the 1 micron poly filter felt in the mail and set out to try it on a batch of "Billy Bud" that was ready and waiting. Expecting considerable flow resistance, I set up the vacuum filtration system and poured the flavor saturated solvent in but what happened next surprised me. I never got to turn the vacuum system on because the PG drizzled through the 1 micron filter felt just as fast as it does through 5 micron felt. With gravity alone 60ml took maybe 5 minutes to filter through. At first I thought the mechanical seal holding the felt was somehow allowing solvent to bypass the filter. I re-seated/checked everything and repeated the process but ended up with the same results. I decided to use a larger piece of the 1 micron felt folded into a cone and set inside the mouth of a large canning jar, but as I poured the solvent in it began drizzling right through. I could be wrong but seriously doubt this felt is retaining particles anywhere near 1 micron in diameter. Having lost confidence in the felt's retention rating/efficiency, I mounted a 2 micron qualitative filter paper in the vacuum system and poured the same solvent in but this time no drip. I turned the system on and under vacuum it took about 5 minutes to filter the batch. Even after all the solvent had processed through, the now dry filter paper was still so "tight" I was able to maintain a respectable vacuum against it. While the 1 micron filter felt was a complete bust, the Billy Bud turned out quite delicious!

I also used some 5 micron felt and had the same result. It went through it in no time, 10 minutes tops. So I proceeded to go to the next filter stage at 2.5 micron qualitative paper and I think it took 18 hours to run through. Had really good result from that extraction. Finished up a couple more extractions over the last couple of days and all have been good. Staying with paper filtering on them. I gotta tell ya, in the light of any new FDA regulations that may come along, unless they outlaw tobacco and pg/vg I think I'm good to go. Even if nicotine becomes an issue, I think I could get by with 0 nic using these extractions. The flavor is just fantastic and that's really what I'm after. I finally was able to quit smoking after all these years and what do you know, I've found a new obsession with tobacco!
 

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I was hoping you were on to something with the one micron felt. As with about everything to do with extraction, trial and error remains the primary way we push the envelope. Anyway, performance is still pretty darn good with 2 micron filtration.:)

Always a few "speed bumps" on the road to discovery but I really don't mind, the journey itself is quite enjoyable. I've got to agree that even If 2 micron filter papers were as good as it gets, I'm a happy camper!
 

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I also used some 5 micron felt and had the same result. It went through it in no time, 10 minutes tops. So I proceeded to go to the next filter stage at 2.5 micron qualitative paper and I think it took 18 hours to run through. Had really good result from that extraction. Finished up a couple more extractions over the last couple of days and all have been good. Staying with paper filtering on them. I gotta tell ya, in the light of any new FDA regulations that may come along, unless they outlaw tobacco and pg/vg I think I'm good to go. Even if nicotine becomes an issue, I think I could get by with 0 nic using these extractions. The flavor is just fantastic and that's really what I'm after. I finally was able to quit smoking after all these years and what do you know, I've found a new obsession with tobacco!
Awesome!!:thumbs:
 

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I also used some 5 micron felt and had the same result. It went through it in no time, 10 minutes tops. So I proceeded to go to the next filter stage at 2.5 micron qualitative paper and I think it took 18 hours to run through. Had really good result from that extraction. Finished up a couple more extractions over the last couple of days and all have been good. Staying with paper filtering on them. I gotta tell ya, in the light of any new FDA regulations that may come along, unless they outlaw tobacco and pg/vg I think I'm good to go. Even if nicotine becomes an issue, I think I could get by with 0 nic using these extractions. The flavor is just fantastic and that's really what I'm after. I finally was able to quit smoking after all these years and what do you know, I've found a new obsession with tobacco!

Home extraction of tobacco flavor is not only enjoyable and extremely frugal, knowledge of "how to" provides great insurance against the encroaching "Nanny state" theology that increasingly binds/burdens us. Tobacco "flavor" is why I started vaping and subsequently lost interest in smoking the pipes I cherished for so very long. My personal obsession with tobacco has persisted going on half a century and I have no intention of quitting anytime soon. I feel the same way about my coffee too but still prefer drinking it over vaping. :)
 

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Hopefully we will still be able to get nic liquid in some form to mix with our extracts. If not, I hope I am past that point.

Before it's said and done, I believe Liquid nic is going to be a problem for us. It's a lab made product with few domestic manufactures, the perfect vehicle/venue by which to regulate, manipulate, control and ultimately tax the vaping world. I wouldn't even be surprised if they banned its sale to the general public. Having absolutely no faith in my government's ability/willingness to do the right thing for the right reasons, I have planned accordingly and while supply is readily available/cheap.
 

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I received the 1 micron poly filter felt in the mail and set out to try it on a batch of "Billy Bud" that was ready and waiting. Expecting considerable flow resistance, I set up the vacuum filtration system and poured the flavor saturated solvent in but what happened next surprised me. I never got to turn the vacuum system on because the PG drizzled through the 1 micron filter felt just as fast as it does through 5 micron felt. With gravity alone 60ml took maybe 5 minutes to filter through. At first I thought the mechanical seal holding the felt was somehow allowing solvent to bypass the filter. I re-seated/checked everything and repeated the process but ended up with the same results. I decided to use a larger piece of the 1 micron felt folded into a cone and set inside the mouth of a large canning jar, but as I poured the solvent in it began drizzling right through. I could be wrong but seriously doubt this felt is retaining particles anywhere near 1 micron in diameter. Having lost confidence in the felt's retention rating/efficiency, I mounted a 2 micron qualitative filter paper in the vacuum system and poured the same solvent in but this time no drip. I turned the system on and under vacuum it took about 5 minutes to filter the batch. Even after all the solvent had processed through, the now dry filter paper was still so "tight" I was able to maintain a respectable vacuum against it. While the 1 micron filter felt was a complete bust, the Billy Bud turned out quite delicious!

I also used some 5 micron felt and had the same result. It went through it in no time, 10 minutes tops. So I proceeded to go to the next filter stage at 2.5 micron qualitative paper and I think it took 18 hours to run through. Had really good result from that extraction. Finished up a couple more extractions over the last couple of days and all have been good. Staying with paper filtering on them. I gotta tell ya, in the light of any new FDA regulations that may come along, unless they outlaw tobacco and pg/vg I think I'm good to go. Even if nicotine becomes an issue, I think I could get by with 0 nic using these extractions. The flavor is just fantastic and that's really what I'm after. I finally was able to quit smoking after all these years and what do you know, I've found a new obsession with tobacco!

Both of your results carry implications that seem to me rooted in common sense, namely, that a difference exists between the polyester felt filter material and lab-quality paper filters. Personally, I've had good results from the 5-micron poly felt used in my French Press---my extracts have clearly improved performance over those I made last year that were filtered with the paper coffee filters (10-30 micron pore size) I used originally. Generally speaking, over the year-and-a-half I've been doing macerations, my extracts haven't been heavy/fast coil crusters and wick gunkers, but they've never been squeaky-clean, either. I guess I'd say that they've been about average for macerated NETs.

Despite the obvious improvement I've achieved with the 5-micron poly felt, however, I wouldn't defend that "5-micron" rating as accurate. I read an article on filtering somewhere online stating that some filter material was more uniform than others. I assume the poly felt to be the less-uniform type, where the particulates removed are spread over a range of sizes, with the rated pore size of the filter material representing an average rather than an absolute. From Str8's experience, it appears that the 1-micron poly felt is a bogus rating. I don't do straight-PG solvent in my heat-assisted macerations, preferring a blend of PG/VG, and I always use two layers of 5-micron poly felt in the French Press, so perhaps the thicker viscosity of my solvents combined with the double-layer filtering provides greater resistance and the accompanying sense that I am indeed filtering more finely. I don't know. The proof is in the pudding, of course, and the various people who have vaped DIY NET juices made from my extracts seem happy with both their flavor and performance.

I have a heat-assisted maceration batch going right now extracting five Cornell & Diehl pipe tobacco blends---one English, one Aromatic, and three Non-Aromatics. Since I'm running low on PG, I used 90% VG thinned with 10% distilled water as solvent for this batch. Diane at MyVapeJuice is the only NET vendor I know of who does in-house macerations using 100% VG, and I've been curious to try that. I'm also using less tobacco (1/2 ounce) with less solvent (80ml).

The cook is at the end of its second day, and the solvents are all nice and dark, so I'll probably end the maceration in one more day and filter the extract, although I'll test sample a bit of solvent from one jar to be sure they're ready. For filtering, I'll use one layer of 2.5-micron Ahlstrom filter paper held in place in the French Press between the plunger's wire mesh and a layer of 5-micron poly felt. The amount of physical resistance I encounter during plunging should tell me something. I'll weigh in about the results.
 

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Before it's said and done, I believe Liquid nic is going to be a problem for us. It's a lab made product with few domestic manufactures, the perfect vehicle/venue by which to regulate, manipulate, control and ultimately tax the vaping world. I wouldn't even be surprised if they banned its sale to the general public. Having absolutely no faith in my government's ability/willingness to do the right thing for the right reasons, I have planned accordingly and while supply is readily available/cheap.

I have a gallon of 100mg/ml liquid nic in the freezer in one-liter bottles from RTS, MFS, and Heartland, with another liter in the fridge from Vaperstek, so I'm stocked to the gills. The only problem for me is that I really prefer the squeaky-clean UK-sourced nic from Vaperstek, so my freezer stash may be relegated to emergency back-up duty if things go south with the powers-that-be. Kevin at Vaperstek is selling what he calls "gamey" nicotine that's slightly below his Grade-A crystal-clear regular nic, but it's almost as good and only $60/liter, so I may end up getting another liter or two of that. Since nicotine is my drug of choice for self-medication and brain stimulus, I'll err on the side of having too much rather than too little, just in case.
 

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I just recently went from 8 mg. to 6 mg. in my own personal juices. I'll be down to 3 mg. hopefully, by the time the new regs come out. My nicotine stash is good for two years, so plenty to get me down to 0 mg. Still, gonna vape till I croak or they outlaw PG/VG. Wouldn't put it passed them. Someone will come up with a Vegan Vape. Sunflower Oil anyone? Jeez, I worry for my grand kids and the horror that this country is going to face in the near future.
 
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