Concern Over Regulation Killing Vaping

[realcleverscience]

Over at reddit, there's a lot of discussion about proposed legislation that is steadily heading toward regulations that would really harm the vape world, like 95% taxes, thousands of dollars to test every juice formulation, etc etc.

I'm kinda freaking out about it. And it's also really pissing me off considering what a boon vapes are to us ex-smokers. And the vast majority of the research thus far indicates that it is relatively safe, and yet congressmen and regulators are talking about it like it's huffing bath salts.

Are you guys ...... off? Concerned?
I think we should try to organize. I really liked the #VapingSavedMyLife slogan from that facebook campaign. Maybe we could build on that? T-Shirts? Demonstrations? social media?

 

[Vermonster13]

Smokers make up 20% of the population and are an easy minority for politicians to bleed and provide billions of dollars for the government. We are an even smaller group and a threat to those billions plus vaping has life extending potential. They want us smoking, lining the coffers and dying young enough that they don't need to hold up their end when we reach social security/ Medicare age.

 

[inswva]

Over at reddit, there's a lot of discussion about proposed legislation that is steadily heading toward regulations that would really harm the vape world, like 95% taxes, thousands of dollars to test every juice formulation, etc etc.

I'm kinda freaking out about it. And it's also really pissing me off considering what a boon vapes are to us ex-smokers. And the vast majority of the research thus far indicates that it is relatively safe, and yet congressmen and regulators are talking about it like it's huffing bath salts.

Are you guys ...... off? Concerned?
I think we should try to organize. I really liked the #VapingSavedMyLife slogan from that facebook campaign. Maybe we could build on that? T-Shirts? Demonstrations? social media?

If you haven't already, join CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association.

 

[NancyR]

I am not freaked out about it, but I do take part in CASAA, as well as attend things in my state when I can, but the testing is something I feel every juice maker SHOULD be doing anyways, and any vendor I buy from has already had their juices tested.

 

[DC2]

Over at reddit, there's a lot of discussion about proposed legislation that is steadily heading toward regulations that would really harm the vape world, like 95% taxes, thousands of dollars to test every juice formulation, etc etc.

I'm kinda freaking out about it. And it's also really pissing me off considering what a boon vapes are to us ex-smokers. And the vast majority of the research thus far indicates that it is relatively safe, and yet congressmen and regulators are talking about it like it's huffing bath salts.

Are you guys ...... off? Concerned?
I think we should try to organize. I really liked the #VapingSavedMyLife slogan from that facebook campaign. Maybe we could build on that? T-Shirts? Demonstrations? social media?

Some of us have been concerned for years, because this has been going on for years.
And yes, some of us are very much ...... off, or even beyond ...... off.


You might want to visit some of these subforums...
FDA Regulations
Legislation News
Media and General News


As for organizing efforts, that has been going on for years as well.

Here are some organizations to consider joining and/or supporting...
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
Become a CASAA Member

We Are The Vaping Militia
Become A Militia Member | The Vaping Militia

SFATA | Vapor Products Association
SFATA | Electronic Cigarette Association Membership Application

American Vaping Association | Vaping to Quit Smoking


Anybody that is not ...... off at what is going on just doesn't know what is going on.
Or else they just don't care, for some reason that will forever escape me.

 

[cinetrope]

Some of us have been concerned for years, because this has been going on for years.
And yes, some of us are very much ...... off, or even beyond ...... off.


You might want to visit some of these subforums...
FDA Regulations
Legislation News
Media and General News


As for organizing efforts, that has been going on for years as well.

Here are some organizations to consider joining and/or supporting...
CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
Become a CASAA Member

We Are The Vaping Militia
Become A Militia Member | The Vaping Militia

SFATA | Vapor Products Association
SFATA | Electronic Cigarette Association Membership Application

American Vaping Association | Vaping to Quit Smoking


Anybody that is not ...... off at what is going on just doesn't know what is going on.
Or else they just don't care, for some reason that will forever escape me.

During the comment period for the FDA "Deeming Regs" less than 80,000 comments were submitted. Approximately 5,500 of these included the word "vaping". Regulations.gov This is a pitiful showing for a community which probably numbers in the millions. The best time to protect your rights is before they are restricted. It's never to late to make a difference and it will be much easier to contribute to the dialogue that will result in rules that strike an equitable balance between rights and safety. Regulations are inevitable but to be fairly enacted, the voice of the community must be heard. Take some time to find out what's going on and see what you can do to help.

 

[jseah]

During the comment period for the FDA "Deeming Regs" less than 80,000 comments were submitted. Approximately 5,500 of these included the word "vaping". Regulations.gov This is a pitiful showing for a community which probably numbers in the millions. The best time to protect your rights is before they are restricted. It's never to late to make a difference and it will be much easier to contribute to the dialogue that will result in rules that strike an equitable balance between rights and safety. Regulations are inevitable but to be fairly enacted, the voice of the community must be heard. Take some time to find out what's going on and see what you can do to help.

It is like with the BATF's plan to ban the M855/SS109 round. They had so many responses opposing it that they dropped the plan to include it in the definition of armor piercing ammo.

 

[skoony]

I am not freaked out about it, but I do take part in CASAA, as well as attendthings in my state when I can, but the testing is something I feel every juice maker SHOULD be doing anyways, and any vendor I buy from has already had their juices tested.

be careful what you wish for. The testing that the fda will require will cost tens of thousands per flaver,blend and,nic level. Regards mike

 

[VHRB2014]

Vaping really is simple. This is what scares the crap out of big brother, its simple beyond most vapors understanding.
Consider this, vaping was perfected in China of all places. Because its a very simple process. You don`t need suicide bunny or five pawns to make a really good vape. All you need is liquid nicotine and some high quality flavorings.

Learn how to make your own juice, stock up on nic, and tell big brother he can KYA!
We`re looking to buy 5 liters of nic in the next 6 months and then WE wont care in the least bit what big brother does or thinks.

We should organize a massive "vape out" of our respective capital buildings to prove the point!

 

[DC2]

We should organize a massive "vape out" of our respective capital buildings to prove the point!

I've long hoped for something like this.

The perfect time seems to be after the final deeming regulations are proposed.
But still leaving time for Congress to reject them.

 

[VHRB2014]

I've long hoped for something like this.

The perfect time seems to be after the final deeming regulations are proposed.
But still leaving time for Congress to reject them.

Ya, we seriously need to take this off the net and into the streets, right into the halls of our legislatures. Overwhelming opposition I think they call it.
Hell, they bow to everyone else wishes using this method, we vapors should take notice and not let them get away with the BS anymore. Vape Out!

 

[crxess]

Not one bit concerned with the FDA - Their supposed Massive campaigns to stop Smoking related Deaths have netted government Billions of TAX DOLLARS.
This Charade is no different. They intend to Milk Vapors the same as Smokers and will not agree to any less.

I personally have become self sufficient and self stocked. I fully intend to fight to the end and Honker down for the long run!

GOVERNMENT - Local, State, Federal has only concern for GOVERNMENTS best interest.
People keep trying to say it is the interest of BT or BP but TRUTH be told, only if Government gets its FULL share of the Pie.

 

[realcleverscience]

seriously, even if we just got vapers to wear a button that said, "#VapingSavedMyLife" - make it a public campaign. let the public learn about the nonsense that's going on. even if they're not into vaping, if they can see the health and personal liberties issues, I think a lot of people would be interested.

 

[realcleverscience]

p.s. a "vape-out" is probably a bad idea. huge billowing clouds are one thing that gives us bad PR... last thing we need is to use that as our weapon.
We need smart, sensible arguments that grab attention. which is why I like 'vapingsavedmylife' - to the point, hopefully makes people second guess their negative opinions of vaping, and places those who are anti-vaping into the pro-cancer camp.

 

[OldBatty]

seriously, even if we just got vapers to wear a button that said, "#VapingSavedMyLife" - make it a public campaign. let the public learn about the nonsense that's going on. even if they're not into vaping, if they can see the health and personal liberties issues, I think a lot of people would be interested.

Not just vapers almost every one has lost a loved one to smoking so include non smokers! "#VapingSavedMy(FillInTheBlanks)Life"

 

[Robino1]

Oh most definitely we are ....... Many of us are trying to fight back. They didn't get much opposition when they were pushing us, as smokers, around. Many of us believed the crap they were spewing. We know the truth that vaping is multitudes safer than smoking, that it CAN help those of us that were hard core smokers to stop smoking or to drastically cut back on how many cigarettes we intake.

Our eyes have been forced open and now we cannot go back to where they want us to be....invisible.

Many links have been provided for you should you accept the challenge. You may get even more ...... off when you read some of the idiotic legislation that is trying to get passed in many states.

CASAA is free to join and we need as many voices as we can get to help in the fight.

 

[skoony]

p.s. a "vape-out" is probably a bad idea. huge billowing clouds are one thing that gives us bad PR... last thing we need is to use that as our weapon.
We need smart, sensible arguments that grab attention. which is why I like 'vapingsavedmylife' - to the point, hopefully makes people second guess their negative opinions of vaping, and places those who are anti-vaping into the pro-cancer camp.

the smart sensible argument approach got thrown out
with the bath water.
regards
mike