What are you doing in regards to the recent legal issues?

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Lethalp

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At first I wasn't worried since they didn't take anything away. How ever after reading a bit and then looking at what ignorance is still out there has made me think stocking up on nic is a good idea. I hear what some of u are saying concerning vaping no nic or just stopping. But just like when I quit smoking, I'll do it when I am ready not when everyone else thinks I should.
 

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I'm at 0 nic now, so that is one less worry. I have one mech mod and several regulated devices, and my old cigalikes with about 40 blank cartos. I am learning about DIY juices and coil building. My one concern is that I'm not sure of the shelf like of the juices I already have. Anyone know if they can be refrigerated? Frozen?
 

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I'm having a vape... I think people are blowing this out of proportion. This reminds me last year of when everyone thought assault weapons were going to get banned. Prices went up, people bought tons of guns and magazines and ammo. There was lots of anti government talk. Rebellion talk. Lots of hand wringing and knee shaking... what happen? Nothing. Would BT love to see us not have this as an option to avoid cigarettes? Sure. Does regulating mean banning? No. Does a warning label ruin the eliquid? No. Does a company having to submit an application to sell a product mean they aren't going to be available? No. Anytime the government gets involved people start QQing and think the world is going to end. My advice... Calm your T*ts and have a vape :vapor:
 

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Vaping and relaxing. I'm also doing my research, formulating well thought out responses and going to let my voice be heard on things when I have everything in order. I tend to not jump into things immediately because I like having all of ducks in a row. I'm not going crazy and stockpiling or anything, but I keep my ear to the news and make sure I know everything that is going on. I've always been proactive when it comes to subjects I care about and I'm just going to make sure to stay proactive.
 

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I'm at 0 nic now, so that is one less worry. I have one mech mod and several regulated devices, and my old cigalikes with about 40 blank cartos. I am learning about DIY juices and coil building. My one concern is that I'm not sure of the shelf like of the juices I already have. Anyone know if they can be refrigerated? Frozen?

Don't do that. Flavorings in pre-mixed liquids don't survive freezing. All you will end up with is a boat load of really odd tasting liquids. This has been discussed in the DIY forum more than once.

Fridge isn't much better unless you are committed to transferring all those liquids into glass bottles with air tight caps. Plastic bottles or glass bottles with rubber topped droppers don't count. Otherwise give it a few weeks/months and two words: flavor transfer. Blueberry cinnamon vape - with hints of onion, the leftover pizza you had two months ago, garlic pesto sauce from New Years Eve and subtle undertones of the Easter dinner...
 

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I'm having a vape... I think people are blowing this out of proportion. This reminds me last year of when everyone thought assault weapons were going to get banned. Prices went up, people bought tons of guns and magazines and ammo. There was lots of anti government talk. Rebellion talk. Lots of hand wringing and knee shaking... what happen? Nothing. Would BT love to see us not have this as an option to avoid cigarettes? Sure. Does regulating mean banning? No. Does a warning label ruin the eliquid? No. Does a company having to submit an application to sell a product mean they aren't going to be available? No. Anytime the government gets involved people start QQing and think the world is going to end. My advice... Calm your T*ts and have a vape :vapor:

Then it is obvious you have not comprehended the impact of the regulations as now proposed. When your average vaping company has to submit anywhere from 20 - 80 applications (FDA numbers) at a cost of $6.6M - $26M (FDA numbers, again), then the only game left will be what BT provides. Encouraging everyone to just "don't worry, be happy" is not realistic.
 

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- Joining CASAA

- Donating to CASAA

- Discussing the issue & game-plan over at ECF's FDA Regulation forum

- Formulating my FDA comment submission

- Writing to law-makers

- Spreading the good word & educating non-vapers about vaping


I really don't care about my vaping self at this point.. My battle with cigs is long gone, and at 2mg, I could probably quit vaping tomorrow..

My concern is the millions of smokers still out there, who have yet to switch to vaping...

Good advice. Everyone who vapes should be a member of CASAA and now we all need to start donating and supporting CASAA or they will not be able to effectively represent our rights.
 

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I would suggest people interested join us down in the FDA regulation section down below. As the FDA proposal is getting further analyzed it is not comforting at all.

FDA Regulations

Can you quote something thats got you worried? Cuz everything I'm reading so far doesn't bother me in the slightest. What matters to me and how the regulations will effect it:

1: Can I buy liquid - YES
2: Can I choose my vendor and get a flavor I want - YES
3: Can I buy hardware - YES
4: Will prices go up? - MAYBE. Prices increase, its called inflation, its caused by numerous factors. It's called "Economics"

Let the FDA swing something were all we can use is cigalikes from a company owned by BT and then I'll get angry.

Again, relax people.


EDIT: I found this. https://www.electroniccigarettesrev...n-proposal-ignites-controversy-ecig-community
 
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Can you quote something thats got you worried? Cuz everything I'm reading so far doesn't bother me in the slightest. What matters to me and how the regulations will effect it:

1: Can I buy liquid - YES
2: Can I choose my vendor and get a flavor I want - YES
3: Can I buy hardware - YES
4: Will prices go up? - MAYBE. Prices increase, its called inflation, its caused by numerous factors. It's called "Economics"

Let the FDA swing something were all we can use is cigalikes from a company owned by BT and then I'll get angry.

Again, relax people.

You could start with this tread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/fda-regulations/557605-economic-impact-analysis.html

Then you could read the last 2 or 3 pages of this tread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/fda-regulations/556080-fda-deeming-regulation-proposals.html

I don't think many believe that most juice vendors are going to survive. It appears that the hardware is going to brought under the same proposal and will devastate that market. I believe that the vaping world as we know it will be turned upside down with few survivors. I just recommend that everyone do research and make your own decisions based on your own comfort level.
 

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You could start with this tread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/fda-regulations/557605-economic-impact-analysis.html

Then you could read the last 2 or 3 pages of this tread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/fda-regulations/556080-fda-deeming-regulation-proposals.html

I don't think many believe that most juice vendors are going to survive. It appears that the hardware is going to brought under the same proposal and will devastate that market. I believe that the vaping world as we know it will be turned upside down with few survivors. I just recommend that everyone do research and make your own decisions based on your own comfort level.

I'm still not worried about any of this hehe. It's not going to be as bad as people think. Again people are just scared because vaping is under attack and they dont want to not be allowed to do it.

You think any of this will stop us? I mean seriously? Look at this community. Look at the different vendors and the followings they have as well as all the motivated responses to all of this. You really think that a solution won't be found or a happy medium wont be reached? You underestimate the vaping community I say then. Again. relax and take it day at a time.
 

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I'm at 0 nic now, so that is one less worry. I have one mech mod and several regulated devices, and my old cigalikes with about 40 blank cartos. I am learning about DIY juices and coil building. My one concern is that I'm not sure of the shelf like of the juices I already have. Anyone know if they can be refrigerated? Frozen?

Don't do that. Flavorings in pre-mixed liquids don't survive freezing. All you will end up with is a boat load of really odd tasting liquids. This has been discussed in the DIY forum more than once.

Fridge isn't much better unless you are committed to transferring all those liquids into glass bottles with air tight caps. Plastic bottles or glass bottles with rubber topped droppers don't count. Otherwise give it a few weeks/months and two words: flavor transfer. Blueberry cinnamon vape - with hints of onion, the leftover pizza you had two months ago, garlic pesto sauce from New Years Eve and subtle undertones of the Easter dinner...

Rick gave you a very good answer Tempesta. Just wanted to add that since you're learning about DIY juice making already you are well on your way to not needing to stock up on pre-mixed juice. I really don't think PG and VG are going to be controlled any time soon. AFAIK both are used for mixing essential oils, soaps and skin lotions among other things. I think PG is used in farming for animal care. I buy both at Shoppers Drug up here in Canada in the skin care/first aid area, off the shelf. Sometimes I have to ask for PG to be ordered for me. It's never been a problem.

Once you have those sourced all you need are flavorings. Even if what we use now for e-cig use get controlled, I suspect we would learn how to make our own or modify cooking/baking flavorings pretty quick.

Vape on :)
 

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I'm still not worried about any of this hehe. It's not going to be as bad as people think. Again people are just scared because vaping is under attack and they dont want to not be allowed to do it.

You think any of this will stop us? I mean seriously? Look at this community. Look at the different vendors and the followings they have as well as all the motivated responses to all of this. You really think that a solution won't be found or a happy medium wont be reached? You underestimate the vaping community I say then. Again. relax and take it day at a time.

Well, not worrying about it doesn't mean it won't happen. Funny thing is, The head of the FDA has already stated live that these regulations are so they can get ecigs established as a tobacco product because they can't ban flavorings in ejuice until they do. Plus... If a single ejuice Costs more in fees to get approved than most businesses gross in a year, then how would a vendor get just one product approved, let alone multiple flavored ejuices?

I wish you were right, but if you actually read through the entire deeming regulations, and also actually listen to what's coming out of the head of FDAs mouth then you might get your eyes opened. We need to work together and stop it before it goes through, not ignore it like its not going to happen.

When this actually gets going, BT will be the only business with the kind of money needed to pay for the fees associated with getting a new product to the market. The only product that will be available will be cigalikes. If you read the actual regulations you'd know this.

What am I doing? I've been a member of CASAA for a while now. I'm waiting on their guidance, plus I'm writing up some things to be ready. I am also educations those around me to help fight.

I make my own juice already, but I also buy juices too, I've always kept a couple of gallons of nic handy, but I plan on stocking more. I don't plan on ignoring the issue though. Just stocking for myself isn't going to help anything but prolong the inevitable. Eventually a person will either run out of stock or nic will degrade. If stored properly it can last a few years, but then what? I make juice for me, my husband, my mom, and my nephew. I go through nic fast. Theres no way i could store enough nic juice to last over a year or so with us vaping the amounts we do. I think we have to fight for vaping as a whole.

Btw: ignoring a problem or making it less than it is, doesn't make it go away. It's just one less person fighting that should be.
 

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I have read it. Just because you're scared and want to assume the worst doesn't mean I have to. You know what they say about assumptions....

It's not an assumption when you've actually heard the head of the FDA say what they are going to do once these "regulations" go through. Plus, its not assuming when it clearly states the costs of getting a new product approved. It doesn't take a genius to actually just read it as is.

Go back to the regulations you say you've read and check out the fees associated with an application for a new product. The only ones who could afford those are BT. So, go on with life as nothing is going to happen, while others fight for your right to Vape. One more fighting for the cause could make a difference.
 

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Plus educate yourself on the FDA. You'd get a rude awakening. If you want to ignore the costs of applications for new products, Just how many new products do you think they've actually approved over the past few years? They denied one application because it simply added a flavor. You are in for a rude awakening.
 

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I have read it. Just because you're scared and want to assume the worst doesn't mean I have to. You know what they say about assumptions....

:blink: You must be really out of touch with how our gubbermint functions. It's "who has the most money, who gets the most money" that wins. Us little peons - aka "consumers" - matter squat. Go here and read just the first two pages of posts, containing excerpts from this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/fda-regulations/557605-economic-impact-analysis.html

That, the FDA coming at this from the view point of economic impact is far more sobering than any "we want to save you from yourselves" morality play in the deeming proposals.

Signing poorly worded/conceived petitions be damned, I'm contributing to CASAA "in regards to the recent legal issues" because that's the only legal dog we may have in this fight as a peon - cough, cough - consumer in anything can be challenged when the actual regulations drop.
 
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