Concerned Newbie

[genoxy]

Hello All,

I'm Rob from regional Western Australia in the Kimberley region. The outback basically...

Well after many weeks of searching online and developing new skills in assessing e cigarette types and brands, I finally decided to purchase my first e cig, the Ego-T (I think...) E-cigarette Melbourne Shop

I am in Australia and after reviewing our import laws (sigh) I also decided to purchase some nicotine e liquid from http://www.niceliquid.co.nz/ which is based in New Zealand but mails from Europe and as long as its 3 months supply then Customs should let it through (fingers crossed or its $45 down the drain)

My main concern is this new study Electronic Cigarettes Contain Higher Levels of Toxic Metal I'm sure most of you have seen it by now...

And here I am thinking, great, I've finally decided to try a smoking alternative after having tried patches, gum and various other methods to quit smoking and some smart science people have to make me worried about e cigs too!!!

Now the questions... come on you knew they were coming...

Is the e cig type I bought a good first one? If not are there any recommendations for other types? I had thought about the cig-a-likes but decided against them because I don't want to be reminded of cigarettes every time I use it.

Although the study doesn't really specify what delivery method was used, can I assume my purchase of the CE4 clearomisers are safer to use than cartomisers?

I've searched online and found surprisingly little on cigarette-type filters being used on e cigs to catch any nasties before they go into our bodies, maybe we will hear more about it now this study has been released.

Regardless I would like to use a filter from the get go when I receive my e cig in the next few days, do you think normal cigarette type filters cut down to size would work at stopping and metal particles getting into the smoke?

Sorry for the long introduction! And thanks in advance to any replys.

Rob.

 

[Blix]

That "study" have been torn to shreds elsewhere on this forum, so disregard it completely, it's BS.

Your starter kit is fine, but remember backup clearos.

 

[genoxy]

That "study" have been torn to shreds elsewhere on this forum, so disregard it completely, it's BS.

Your starter kit is fine, but remember backup clearos.

Hi Blix,

Thank you, I believe my kit only came with 2 but I'll be sure to buy more for each e liquid flavour I try.

I've read some posts about it but can you post links to the ones you mentioned?

 

[DuckysBooBoo]

Hi Rob!! Welcome to the forum!

 

[SupplyDaddy]

My personal opinion only...

The system you chose would be a great starter for you. eGo batteries and CE4 clearomizers are a good combo.

The testing that you are referring to were on "cig-a-like" type pv's, and done most likely in a way that Would show scary info. Someone on here has already shown that some, if not all, of the numbers were again proof that it was almost safer to breathe through a pv than walking outside.. (LOL)

IF filtering is something you think you want to do, I don't see much of an issue if you fill your driptips with polyfill or aquarium air filter foam, both available almost anywhere. I don't see the need myself, especially if you are inhaling correctly (bringing the vapor into your mouth, then inhaling), and it will most likely get messy due to condensation collecting in the fill you use. But you can try it!

Just remember next time you're standing beside a running vehicle, you're breathing more toxic metals every minute, than you would in weeks, months, maybe even years of using a pv!

 

[Oktyabr]

Hi Rob and welcome!

Your kit is a better investment than many others as you won't have cartridges to dispose of. Spare parts of all kinds are good to have on hand, especially if you are limited to waiting on the post for replacements. One of the first steps up the ladder, so to speak, many new to e-cigs make, is investing in a "variable voltage" battery ("VV") such as the Ego "Twist" or Vision "Spinner". This allows you to adjust the power output of the device and thereby allow you to personalize the experience some to better suit your needs. The Ego-T you have purchased does not allow this is but is still a popular product... for a reason... and will provide excellent "back up" if you decide to move into VV. The tanks and even the charger you get with that kit will work on at least the "Twist" and "Spinner" models as well.

The tanks you have purchased are VERY popular, especially for beginners. Note that if you tire of one flavor after awhile you can disassemble the tank and clean it, preparing it for a different flavor. Maintenance of these is fairly easy and only needs to be done after several tank fulls of liquid (depending on how often you use it, what sort of liquid you put in it, etc.) They are even "rebuild-able" to an extent but this is definitely NOT for the beginner.

I wouldn't worry about that study, as others have said. If nothing else an e-cig is preventing the other 4,000+ chemicals from reaching your body that are found in tobacco smoke not to mention the tar and carbon monoxide, both terrible components of cigarette smoke that are not found in e-cig vapor.

Likewise I don't think I'd worry about using an additional filter with your e-cig. I don't know anyone that does and even have my doubts as to how well it would work in the first place because I believe the droplets in the vapor, as small as they may be, are still larger than many of the molecules found in cigarette smoke that the filter is intended to alleviate (and we know how well that works, right?)

PLENTY of information on this forum and MANY helpful people here to answer any other questions you may have. Please share on your experiences! (I'm personally interested in the customs issue with nicotine liquid there... let me know how that goes?)

 

[jfalbanese]

you have more carcinogenic chemicals coming from your carpet, than you are going to find in an e cig. don't live in fear., or if you choose to do so?, use the e-cigs to quit smoking and then quit vaping. and make sure the tobacco addict is not just telling you that as an excuse to keep smoking those oh so healthy, and delicious analogs.

 

[Oktyabr]

you have more carcinogenic chemicals coming from your carpet, than you are going to find in an e cig. don't live in fear., or if you choose to do so?, use the e-cigs to quit smoking and then quit vaping. and make sure the tobacco addict is not just telling you that as an excuse to keep smoking those oh so healthy, and delicious analogs.

Well said!

 

[genoxy]

Thank you so much for your replies, its great to hear your opinions about the study and I'm glad to know my purchase is a good option for beignners! Very keen for it to arrive and start vaping (been checking my PO Box every day!)

I guess there is an element of fear mongering with the picture of the filter with black metals and the microscopic pictures but you're right about the toxins we are exposed to in everyday life and I guess I shouldn't be too concerned about it. I will give it a try without filter and see if I'm getting any metallic taste people have been posting about.

Our import laws are ridiculous... Get this right... This website Electronic Cigarettes Australia & NZ Pty Ltd - Aussie Blue® Nicotine E-Liquids for Ecigs - The Best E cig E-Liquid makes their e liquids in Australia, sends them to New Zealand then posts them back to customers in Australia to get around out import laws, crazy right... That's legal but if I was to buy directly from them in Australia its illegal even though its the exact same product... I will be buying from them in future though as its 3 - 5 business days for delivery from NZ as opposed to 4 weeks from Europe for the other site.

Great to meet you all!

 

[Oktyabr]

Our import laws are ridiculous... Get this right... This website Electronic Cigarettes Australia & NZ Pty Ltd - Aussie Blue® Nicotine E-Liquids for Ecigs - The Best E cig E-Liquid makes their e liquids in Australia, sends them to New Zealand then posts them back to customers in Australia to get around out import laws, crazy right... That's legal but if I was to buy directly from them in Australia its illegal even though its the exact same product... I will be buying from them in future though as its 3 - 5 business days for delivery from NZ as opposed to 4 weeks from Europe for the other site.

They are trying to make it much more difficult *everywhere* to enjoy our chosen alternative. One link for you: CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

 

[mkbilbo]

And here I am thinking, great, I've finally decided to try a smoking alternative after having tried patches, gum and various other methods to quit smoking and some smart science people have to make me worried about e cigs too!!!

Well... considering the tons of seriously harmful chemicals in cigarettes (among other common tobacco products), I'll still take those odds. As in, there are over 50 known cancer causing agents in cigarettes verses there's one study that maybe e-cig vapor might or might not have some tiny metal particles in it. We think. Or not. Kinda.

Also, far as inhaling dangerous particles...

When they shut every coal fired plant on planet earth then they can talk to me about it.

Not before.

 

[genoxy]

Seems like anything other than smoking gets a bad wrap...

 

[genoxy]

Well... considering the tons of seriously harmful chemicals in cigarettes (among other common tobacco products), I'll still take those odds. As in, there are over 50 known cancer causing agents in cigarettes verses there's one study that maybe e-cig vapor might or might not have some tiny metal particles in it. We think. Or not. Kinda.

Also, far as inhaling dangerous particles...

When they shut every coal fired plant on planet earth then they can talk to me about it.

Not before.

That is a really good way of looking at it and basically got rid of my worries, thank you! I guess they try the scare tactics with METAL NANO PARTICLES to make it really scary but forget to mention all the more terrible things in cigarettes like arsenic and other crap...

 

[klynnn]

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/

 

[mkbilbo]

That is a really good way of looking at it and basically got rid of my worries, thank you! I guess they try the scare tactics with METAL NANO PARTICLES to make it really scary but forget to mention all the more terrible things in cigarettes like arsenic and other crap...

Well, when you're selling ads, fear gets viewers! And, yeah, nano particles! Sounds sciency!!!

There probably are some risks in vaping. The question is which risks are worse? Cigarettes? Oh boy. Vaping would have to go a looooong way to match it. I mean, even after smoking for years and years, when I read that the gas they used to use in gas chambers to execute criminals was in my cigs... that was... erm... startling? It's about harm reduction. Thinking about it, one day, it hit me that, yeah, maybe twenty something years from now, a doctor will tell me, "It's because you vaped".

Thing is, I'm probably more likely to be alive to be told that than if I kept smoking...

 

[Katya]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ronic-cigarette-cartomizer-fluid-aerosol.html

Yes, vapor from burned cartomizers contains more harmful particles than fresh mountain air (after a gentle rain).

Happy vaping, mate, and welcome to ECF!

 

[santacruzslick]

Hmm....I wonder if any of these studies about e-cigs being "harmful" are somehow created by big tobacco.

 

[Katya]

Hmm....I wonder if any of these studies about e-cigs being "harmful" are somehow created by big tobacco.

Perish the thought!

 

[genoxy]

In regards to the wicks in the CE4, the ones I purchased have oil-sorbent cotton wicks, would this be "safer" than the other type? Can't remember what its called, mesh I think?

 

[Talyon]

Damn that would mean that I've been ingesting those nasty metal fragments Everytime I ate TOAST from my toaster, or when I boiled a cup of coffee, oh no please help me, lmao.

Welcome to ECF Cobber.