I ask this question for a few reasons.
Mainly cause I think it makes for very interesting discussion. It removes all that FDA and really ANTZ is up to with regard to (current proposed) regulations. Just double checked the "misconceptions" thread and this isn't specifically addressed, so we ought to be good on that front.
Also because of what I just read on another thread, which I didn't feel like hijacking for this sort of discussion, and didn't see a thread on p.1 of all posts in "FDA Regulations" sub-forum that is making this topic front and center. The other thread is the one dealing with big (and wonderful) news from scientists to WHO. In there, post #10 reads (in part):
I'd like to have that explained. Pretty sure anyone can do so, but the "almost assuredly stop" language is of high interest. I think anyone reading this thread (the one you are reading now) would readily conclude "well theoretically they can," followed by, "the questions is if they will?" According to this quote, it is nearly guaranteed.
And third reason is because I think while we are in waiting period from CASAA on guidance for how to respond to FDA Regulations, then I think this discussion is good. If for no other reason then it offers hope and new way to mobilize, which I currently feel is being downplayed on ECF. Not ignored as the quote above is about the 8th time I've read something similar to that sentiment from various posters, including myself.
If we are all so certain that FDA can't be moved from the current proposed framework, then I often wonder why we would spend our entire time discussing what to do with regards to FDA, when we could, rather easily go over their head and deal directly with those who wrote FSPTCA, and who do give marching orders to FDA. Clearly our opposition is doing this (asking Dem Senators to urge FDA to not extend comments, not delay on imposing harsh regulations).
Inherent in the quote from above is idea that constantly occurs to me which is Congress that wrote FSCPTA is not the same Congress today, and likely won't be same Congress in say December 2014. That quote is saying a new Congress likely will undo what Congress in 2009 felt was best course of action.
Finally, I know of no way to not make this type of thread bring up partisan politics. But do request that people not make this about Obama and all other instances of his agenda that do not pertain to FSPTCA. Please don't bash those who chime in and wish to express that Dems could do something about this, especially if they cite reasons for that assertion. While I see no way around the partisan stuff, I do see ways in which this thread doesn't need to be heated / obnoxiously partisan. Thread is truly about what Congress could do to legitimately change the proposed regulations.
If using this thread simply to beat up on Dems and/or Obama, please take that Outside. As OP, I may agree with general political ideas that are being presented, but if ignoring what I wrote here in OP, I may just ask moderator to remove it from the discussion. I'll leave moderators to determine if it is type of comment that is better made Outside rather than here in Reality.
Mainly cause I think it makes for very interesting discussion. It removes all that FDA and really ANTZ is up to with regard to (current proposed) regulations. Just double checked the "misconceptions" thread and this isn't specifically addressed, so we ought to be good on that front.
Also because of what I just read on another thread, which I didn't feel like hijacking for this sort of discussion, and didn't see a thread on p.1 of all posts in "FDA Regulations" sub-forum that is making this topic front and center. The other thread is the one dealing with big (and wonderful) news from scientists to WHO. In there, post #10 reads (in part):
a change in the majority in the US senate would almost assuredly stop the FDA's Deeming Regulations
I'd like to have that explained. Pretty sure anyone can do so, but the "almost assuredly stop" language is of high interest. I think anyone reading this thread (the one you are reading now) would readily conclude "well theoretically they can," followed by, "the questions is if they will?" According to this quote, it is nearly guaranteed.
And third reason is because I think while we are in waiting period from CASAA on guidance for how to respond to FDA Regulations, then I think this discussion is good. If for no other reason then it offers hope and new way to mobilize, which I currently feel is being downplayed on ECF. Not ignored as the quote above is about the 8th time I've read something similar to that sentiment from various posters, including myself.
If we are all so certain that FDA can't be moved from the current proposed framework, then I often wonder why we would spend our entire time discussing what to do with regards to FDA, when we could, rather easily go over their head and deal directly with those who wrote FSPTCA, and who do give marching orders to FDA. Clearly our opposition is doing this (asking Dem Senators to urge FDA to not extend comments, not delay on imposing harsh regulations).
Inherent in the quote from above is idea that constantly occurs to me which is Congress that wrote FSCPTA is not the same Congress today, and likely won't be same Congress in say December 2014. That quote is saying a new Congress likely will undo what Congress in 2009 felt was best course of action.
Finally, I know of no way to not make this type of thread bring up partisan politics. But do request that people not make this about Obama and all other instances of his agenda that do not pertain to FSPTCA. Please don't bash those who chime in and wish to express that Dems could do something about this, especially if they cite reasons for that assertion. While I see no way around the partisan stuff, I do see ways in which this thread doesn't need to be heated / obnoxiously partisan. Thread is truly about what Congress could do to legitimately change the proposed regulations.
If using this thread simply to beat up on Dems and/or Obama, please take that Outside. As OP, I may agree with general political ideas that are being presented, but if ignoring what I wrote here in OP, I may just ask moderator to remove it from the discussion. I'll leave moderators to determine if it is type of comment that is better made Outside rather than here in Reality.
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