FDA Congress can stop this thing?

[zoiDman]

The FDA doesn't pass bills, they just write regulations.

...

Winner Winner. Chicken Dinner.

Yeah... The FDA Doesn't Make or Pass Laws. That is why I was Kinda Confused with Jman8 making references to "Kill the Bill".

No Bill to Kill. The Bill is Now Law.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm not sure where you are getting this. I said urge Congress to get involved, to kill the bill. FDA didn't come up with FSPTCA and has admitted they don't have any input in changing its legality.

Bill Godshall and many others have said that a change in Congress or involvement by Congress could eliminate what FDA is up to with regards to eCigs. I'm curious if you have posed similar inquiry to Bill G, and if not, why not?

I'm not firmly in this camp of kill the bill as I see regulations of eCigs as inevitable, and have already stated what I would advocate for with regards to getting Congress involved.

If not addressing the only question I asked in this post, please refrain from addressing me on this thread given recent dialogue we've had where you dismissed what I had to say. Thank you.

How Exactly is Congress Supposed to "Kill the Bill"?

The Same Basic Congress BTW that Passed the Laws that the FDA is Now going to Regulate with.

 

[Jman8]

The FDA doesn't pass bills, they just write regulations.

Congress would have to propose a bill to negate the regulations and pass it with a big enough majority to override a presidential veto. Tough road to hoe as most in congress have no idea or care what the FDA is even proposing. We're going to have a whole lot of contacting and convincing of congress to pull it off.

Yeah, I fully realize FDA doesn't pass bills, and "kill the bill" isn't anything but short slogan for what amounts to ending FDA authority to regulate eCigs.

Congress can exempt eCigs from the regulations. Do I think they will? Nope. But there are some on our side who think if we get the right people in there (in 2014) it could lead to exemption or undoing any regulations FDA imposes on vaping industry.

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah, I fully realize FDA doesn't pass bills, and "kill the bill" isn't anything but short slogan for what amounts to ending FDA authority to regulate eCigs.

Congress can exempt eCigs from the regulations. Do I think they will? Nope. But there are some on our side who think if we get the right people in there (in 2014) it could lead to exemption or undoing any regulations FDA imposes on vaping industry.

OK... I can Go with Talking about Changing the Majority of the Senate. Because that would have Far Reaching Effects that go Way Beyond e-Cigarettes.

But I think at This Point, we had Come Up with Something Else as well as Changing who is Sitting in a Senate Seat at the End of November. Because the Majority in the Senate may Not Change

 

[Jman8]

This thread has come up with something else. And is found in other threads as well.

 

[zoiDman]

This thread has come up with something else. And is found in other threads as well.

Yes... It Has. And I think it is Great. In Fact, I even Commented on it about 65 Posts ago.

Are you Talking about Contacting Republican Reps. and asking them to Speak out in Favor of e-Cigarette use?

And asking Democratic Reps to Consider that e-Cigarettes are More Beneficial then they are problematic?

Because People should have Done That Already.

 

[Stosh]

So we only need to have congress rewrite the FSPTCA, and exempt e-cigs. While half of them believe the antifreeze, heavy metal, carcinogenic nicotine, and targeting children propaganda.

 

[zoiDman]

So we only need to have congress rewrite the FSPTCA, and exempt e-cigs. While half of them believe the antifreeze, heavy metal, carcinogenic nicotine, and targeting children propaganda.

Yeah... This Who Thread is Confusing to Me.

 

[Kent C]

So we only need to have congress rewrite the FSPTCA, and exempt e-cigs. While half of them believe the antifreeze, heavy metal, carcinogenic nicotine, and targeting children propaganda.

Likely less than half... and all they need to do is allow Regulation Alternative 3 - ie. change grandfather date to when the final rule is reached, rather than a date that at the time had no consideration on what they are ending up regulating - ecigs.

 

[Kent C]

Yeah... This Who Thread is Confusing to Me.

That sentence is confusing.

 

[Jman8]

Yes... It Has. And I think it is Great. In Fact, I even Commented on it about 65 Posts ago.

And that post missed the "something else" I am referring to.

 

[zoiDman]

That sentence is confusing.

That was a Good Typo.

 

[Jman8]

So we only need to have congress rewrite the FSPTCA, and exempt e-cigs. While half of them believe the antifreeze, heavy metal, carcinogenic nicotine, and targeting children propaganda.

I'd ask this question to likes of Bill G. if it is something you really are interested in getting a response to.

I'd rather use this sort of strategy as a ploy for the other thing that makes most sense to me going forward.

 

[zoiDman]

And that post missed the "something else" I am referring to.

Why all the Cloak and Dagger Jman8?

Fill those of us in who might Not have Gotten the "something Else".

 

[Jman8]

Why all the Cloak and Dagger Jman8?

Fill those of us in who might Not have Gotten the "something Else".

I'd rather not for you. Sorry.

Thread has stated the "something else" about 10 times now, and was last done on p.13.

 

[zoiDman]

I'd rather not for you. Sorry.

Thread has stated the "something else" about 10 times now, and was last done on p.13.

OK...

But did that Something Else have something to Do with Robert A. Heinlein?

 

[Stosh]

Likely less than half... and all they need to do is allow Regulation Alternative 3 - ie. change grandfather date to when the final rule is reached, rather than a date that at the time had no consideration on what they are ending up regulating - ecigs.

For that aren't we back to convincing the FDA to change? Congress just getting a Yea or Nay vote on the regulation as presented by the FDA

 

[Jman8]

For that aren't we back to convincing the FDA to change?

FDA doesn't have the legal authority to make this sort of change, and thus need not be involved in what work we may wish to do in this direction.

Though it would benefit FDA (and tax payers) by greatly reducing paperwork and freeing up around 2 trillion hours to catch up with current products.

 

[Stosh]

FDA doesn't have the legal authority to make this sort of change, and thus need not be involved in what work we may wish to do in this direction......

Then we only need to have congress rewrite the FSPTCA in their spare time to our liking. Congress doesn't write any regulations, the bureaucrats do...

 

[Kent C]

For that aren't we back to convincing the FDA to change? Congress just getting a Yea or Nay vote on the regulation as presented by the FDA

I think that since the FDA has 'requested comments' on that and a bunch of other things, that if there's a preponderance of comments regarding changing the grandfather date, that is something they could bring to Congress' attention. Not counting on it, but it's a possibility. In the light of some 'easing' we are seeing abroad - not 'ideal', I agree, and there seems to be some slowing in the all out attack by the media - again 'some' (not all), this might be an 'out' for them if they want one.

And the latest figures that are available for 'percentage smokers' is 2012. I'm wondering if they've peeked at the more recent results yet. I can't imagine it not being down 2 or more percentage points due to the trend since 2010 and a bit before even. That could be a factor - that, along with the decreasing cig sales. Again, 'something' has changed and it isn't Chantix, gum or patches which have all been around before 2010. The only real 'culprit' is ecigarettes.