FDA Congress can stop this thing?

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Politicians tend to listen to the largest groups, they see more potential votes in swaying a large group. If 100% of the vapers in the US wrote to their representatives we would still be drowned out by the "jobs groups", "taxes groups", "guns groups", heck even the premium cigars groups....:facepalm:

I kinda disagree on politicians listen to the largest group. Too many minority issues are pet causes for many politicians and almost everyone I know is pro "self defense" but gun rights people are treated as extremist minority, with tens of millions in their camp.

I strongly believe if we had the Burr-Harkin discourse from recent hearing playing out on a national level that eventually (like within a few weeks) it would turn the tide on the politics. It would have non-vapers (who currently are clueless on the topic) sitting up and taking notice at how utterly foolish certain Democratic senators appear on this issue. If there was a vocal and respected Democratic congressperson that came out and said, "hey, I enjoy cotton candy flavor as a vaper," it would turn the opposition's arguments on their collective ear.

The Burr-Harkin discourse doesn't need to be top 10 issue either. Some national political commentators, that we are all familiar with, have taken up the issue, more than once. From the pro-vaper's perspective, twice a day, every day isn't enough for them to be talking about it. But I reckon there's a few non-vapers out there who have been swayed to consider this as yet another issue where government overreach is occurring.

I also believe Pubs could benefit greatly from this issue. They'd get to side with modern science and thus not constantly appear like they are stuck in land of wishful thinking on certain issues, plus if they were only side touting pro-vaper cause, and it becomes partisan issue, and Dems are spouting off nonsense (to pro-vaper ears), they'd likely gain a few thousand voters by simply speaking sense. Don't need to be all that passionate as Dems are trying to cover that with "save the children" rhetoric. Just speak calmly, confidently and address THR and scientific data, and the political momentum would shift.

Also would just add that if we had CASAA CTA on this, I think it would fare better than Jman thread or work many in this thread have already done. Instead of 'drip-drip-drip' coming to these congress people, it would be a flood. And get a few of us saying more than "hey please support vaping, it saved my life!' A well constructed argument that they can later select from, in course of actual political debate, would go a long ways, IMHO.
 

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If people are Serious about doing something like this. I mean Serious like they are Actually going to Organize it in their Area or on the Steps of a State or Federal Building.

Then you Need to Saturate Bomb the Media with e-Cigarette health studies Before you put the People in the Streets.

Or a bunch of middle aged people like myself that had NO successes with any FDA approved smoking cessation devices. I had a freaking heart attack and still couldn't quit until I found mods and e-juice. As far as a health report, just ask my doctor how much better my lungs and circulatory system is working now. I'm almost back to 100% and I haven't been vaping but 7 months.
 

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I kinda disagree on politicians listen to the largest group. Too many minority issues are pet causes for many politicians and almost everyone I know is pro "self defense" but gun rights people are treated as extremist minority, with tens of millions in their camp.

I strongly believe if we had the Burr-Harkin discourse from recent hearing playing out on a national level that eventually (like within a few weeks) it would turn the tide on the politics. It would have non-vapers (who currently are clueless on the topic) sitting up and taking notice at how utterly foolish certain Democratic senators appear on this issue. If there was a vocal and respected Democratic congressperson that came out and said, "hey, I enjoy cotton candy flavor as a vaper," it would turn the opposition's arguments on their collective ear.

The Burr-Harkin discourse doesn't need to be top 10 issue either. Some national political commentators, that we are all familiar with, have taken up the issue, more than once. From the pro-vaper's perspective, twice a day, every day isn't enough for them to be talking about it. But I reckon there's a few non-vapers out there who have been swayed to consider this as yet another issue where government overreach is occurring.

I also believe Pubs could benefit greatly from this issue. They'd get to side with modern science and thus not constantly appear like they are stuck in land of wishful thinking on certain issues, plus if they were only side touting pro-vaper cause, and it becomes partisan issue, and Dems are spouting off nonsense (to pro-vaper ears), they'd likely gain a few thousand voters by simply speaking sense. Don't need to be all that passionate as Dems are trying to cover that with "save the children" rhetoric. Just speak calmly, confidently and address THR and scientific data, and the political momentum would shift.

Also would just add that if we had CASAA CTA on this, I think it would fare better than Jman thread or work many in this thread have already done. Instead of 'drip-drip-drip' coming to these congress people, it would be a flood. And get a few of us saying more than "hey please support vaping, it saved my life!' A well constructed argument that they can later select from, in course of actual political debate, would go a long ways, IMHO.

What we need is a 60-Minutes type report on national TV. Or the equivalent an hour on cable.
 

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Or a bunch of middle aged people like myself that had NO successes with any FDA approved smoking cessation devices. I had a freaking heart attack and still couldn't quit until I found mods and e-juice. As far as a health report, just ask my doctor how much better my lungs and circulatory system is working now. I'm almost back to 100% and I haven't been vaping but 7 months.

Or a bunch of old aged people like myself that had NO successes with any FDA approved smoking cessation devices. I had a freaking cancer surgery and still couldn't quit until I found mods and e-juice. As far as a health report, just ask my doctor how much better my lungs and circulatory system is working now. I'm almost back to 100% and I have been vaping 3 years 10 months.
 

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Or a bunch of middle aged people like myself that had NO successes with any FDA approved smoking cessation devices. I had a freaking heart attack and still couldn't quit until I found mods and e-juice. As far as a health report, just ask my doctor how much better my lungs and circulatory system is working now. I'm almost back to 100% and I haven't been vaping but 7 months.

Absolutely.

People many times say they want to do Something to Generate Media Coverage. But kinda forget that if All the Media has at It's disposal is Skewed, Negative Junk Science Studies to reference, then Media Coverage can Sometimes Backfire. Big Time.

If I'm going to Stand in a Group with a Neon Yellow sign that says... "Read the Drexel Report", it would be Nice if the Media actually had the Drexel Report to know what the Heck I'm Talking About.

But Once Again, People should have sent there Local and Regional Media Outlets e-Cigarette Studies Already.
 

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Or a bunch of old aged people like myself that had NO successes with any FDA approved smoking cessation devices. I had a freaking cancer surgery and still couldn't quit until I found mods and e-juice. As far as a health report, just ask my doctor how much better my lungs and circulatory system is working now. I'm almost back to 100% and I have been vaping 3 years 10 months.

Outstanding my brother! Kudos! ;)
 

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I kinda disagree on politicians listen to the largest group. Too many minority issues are pet causes for many politicians and almost everyone I know is pro "self defense" but gun rights people are treated as extremist minority, with tens of millions in their camp. ......

They are "treated as extremist minority" by the media, and highly respected because of their numbers and cold hard cash by the pols.

National Rifle Assn - Profile for 2012 Election Cycle

CONTRIBUTIONS - $1,400,405
LOBBYING - $2,980,000 (2012) - $2,905,000 (2011)
OUTSIDE SPENDING - $19,767,043
 
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Absolutely.

People many times say they want to do Something to Generate Media Coverage. But kinda forget that if All the Media has at It's disposal is Skewed, Negative Junk Science Studies to reference, then Media Coverage can Sometimes Backfire. Big Time.

If I'm going to Stand in a Group with a Neon Yellow sign that says... "Read the Drexel Report", it would be Nice if the Media actually had the Drexel Report to know what the Heck I'm Talking About.

But Once Again, People should have sent there Local and Regional Media Outlets e-Cigarette Studies Already.

From what I understand those medical reports exist. Big money buried them. Wonder just where that big money came in from? :mad:
 

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What we need is a 60-Minutes type report on national TV. Or the equivalent an hour on cable.

Have you Contacted 60 Minutes?

I have. Got a Somewhat Form-ish Form letter reply saying that they would Consider it.

These people seemed much more Inclined to consider it.

Contact Us | FRONTLINE | PBS

And would give a MUCH MORE Unbiased and Detailed Analysis of the Entire e-Cigarette Topic. They also have the Pull to get the Mr. Zeller's and the Sen. Burr's of the world to appear on Camera.
 

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I for one would gladly pay my doctor for a written report if CASAA would collect a couple a hundred more to submit to congress. Idk how many more would be willing to do that though. Even a simple, he/she is now at a lower risk for stroke or another heart attack now that he/she quit smoking and is now vaping. Or how many doctors besides mine would even do that,
 

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I for one would gladly pay my doctor for a written report if CASAA would collect a couple a hundred more to submit to congress. Idk how many more would be willing to do that though. Even a simple, he/she is now at a lower risk for stroke or another heart attack now that he/she quit smoking and is now vaping. Or how many doctors besides mine would even do that,

Oh No No No No NO!

This is what You Can Not Do. Pay someone to Express their Opinion.
 

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Have you Contacted 60 Minutes?

I have. Got a Somewhat Form-ish Form letter reply saying that they would Consider it.

These people seemed much more Inclined to consider it.

Contact Us | FRONTLINE | PBS

And would give a MUCH MORE Unbiased and Detailed Analysis of the Entire e-Cigarette Topic. They also have the Pull to get the Mr. Zeller's and the Sen. Burr's of the world to appear on Camera.
Nope not 60 Minutes but 'The Fives Greg Gutfeld.'
"Don't be too surprised when your showers and stoves are regulated by the government. In fact, showers are already regulated to only have so many GPM." ~ Greg Gutfeld
 

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Ya know, we could do a counter video (or 10) that spins this in another direction. Ya know, and honest one. Our criteria could be:

IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THIS PROJECT, YOU MUST BE:
• An ex-smoker or smoker, that has reduced usage via alternative tobacco/nicotine products
• Willing to submit to a background check, to make sure you're not associated with CDC, ACS, ALA or FDA
• Able to operate a camera or have access to video recording device to tell your story
• Willing to have your doctor sign a statement verifying that alternative tobacco/nicotine products contributed to your improved health. Bonus points for those persons who started using these alternative products at the urging of their doctor.

This should be done anyway. For many other reasons. One being the deeming FDA regulations.
 
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