You are speaking based on your experiences, I was speaking on mine.
Nothing you or I say has any impact on the others opinion, so no need in derailing this thread bantering with each other off topic.
I concede you like thicker wire than I.
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You are speaking based on your experiences, I was speaking on mine.
Nothing you or I say has any impact on the others opinion, so no need in derailing this thread bantering with each other off topic.
I concede you like thicker wire than I.
I can't tell from the pics if there's any space for air to flow between the coil and the posts, although looks like plenty of room under the coil for airflow this time. You are using the single coil airflow option?
A wick can work down to fairly dry, but when using enough power for it to be fully wet then you need to keep it fairly wet. It's normal for flavor to peak and drop off between drips but if too much may be too much heatup. On thing I have to do is make wick contact the coil leads between the coil and posts. I use thinnish wire and this run is sort of long, so the heat going into the posts doesn't keep the leads from getting hot as much as many builds. Also I drip through the top so juice gets everywhere in there. I don't know how many people do this but my results have been almost always bad without it.
As to wire size, thicker wire is one ingredient for bigger coils. Theoretically, thicker wire has slower heat up time but usually this is the least of the differences when comparisons are made, and 26 ga. for example shouldn't be particularly slow in any case, just not instantaneous. Power capacity is determined by the least of coil surface area, airflow (actually drawn), and wicking. I only use about 15 watts (tight air) and wrap my coils as small as 1/16" for best flavor. You shouldn't need a really thick wick at 25 watts. Depending on your style, that could be too much power to shoot for, especially single coil. Try a smaller coil.
P.S. A good trick is shine a keychain flashlight down from the top and look at the coil alignment through the air hole.
A wick can work down to fairly dry, but when using enough power for it to be fully wet then you need to keep it fairly wet. It's normal for flavor to peak and drop off between drips but if too much may be too much heatup. On thing I have to do is make wick contact the coil leads between the coil and posts. I use thinnish wire and this run is sort of long, so the heat going into the posts doesn't keep the leads from getting hot as much as many builds. Also I drip through the top so juice gets everywhere in there. I don't know how many people do this but my results have been almost always bad without it.
As to wire size, thicker wire is one ingredient for bigger coils. Theoretically, thicker wire has slower heat up time but usually this is the least of the differences when comparisons are made, and 26 ga. for example shouldn't be particularly slow in any case, just not instantaneous. Power capacity is determined by the least of coil surface area, airflow (actually drawn), and wicking. I only use about 15 watts (tight air) and wrap my coils as small as 1/16" for best flavor. You shouldn't need a really thick wick at 25 watts. Depending on your style, that could be too much power to shoot for, especially single coil. Try a smaller coil.
P.S. A good trick is shine a keychain flashlight down from the top and look at the coil alignment through the air hole.
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Working any better?Lets keep this thread friendly.
Here is what I have at the moment. Sry for the bad quality.
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I don't see pics.Lets keep this thread friendly
Here is what I have at the moment. Sry for the bad quality.
Is it just me?
Tapatyped
Alright.
I see it now.
Looks much better.
Now you just have to play with coil placement and power applied.
If I'm reading right, you're getting a harsh hit.
Seems contradictory, but you may actually want to apply more power to that coil if you can... BUT ONE THING AT A TIME.
FIRST...
Play with coil placement.
Up against the posts is rarely ideal for smooth hits.
Above the air hole often creates harsh hits as the air passes right under the coil, not cooling it.
You may want to bring that coil right to the edge of the deck just close enough it doesn't contact your top cap.
And try centering it in height with the air hole.
From there, slight adjustments up and down to give you a feel where you like it.
Once you have that as good as it gets, you can play with power.
If the ramp up time is slow at your highest power setting, try 28 gauge.
Slow ramp up can actually make for a harsh hit as can getting too hot too fast.
Another consideration would be nic and flavor. If the juice is just too harsh for you because of too much nic or a flavor that disagrees with your throat or lungs, the hit can feel dry.
Also... if the air flow isn't about the size of at least half your coil, you may not overcome harsh hits.
I'd like to see the hole in the top cap and the base with the coil in it side by side please.
Tapatyped
I see it now.
Looks much better.
Now you just have to play with coil placement and power applied.
If I'm reading right, you're getting a harsh hit.
Seems contradictory, but you may actually want to apply more power to that coil if you can... BUT ONE THING AT A TIME.
FIRST...
Play with coil placement.
Up against the posts is rarely ideal for smooth hits.
Above the air hole often creates harsh hits as the air passes right under the coil, not cooling it.
You may want to bring that coil right to the edge of the deck just close enough it doesn't contact your top cap.
And try centering it in height with the air hole.
From there, slight adjustments up and down to give you a feel where you like it.
Once you have that as good as it gets, you can play with power.
If the ramp up time is slow at your highest power setting, try 28 gauge.
Slow ramp up can actually make for a harsh hit as can getting too hot too fast.
Another consideration would be nic and flavor. If the juice is just too harsh for you because of too much nic or a flavor that disagrees with your throat or lungs, the hit can feel dry.
Also... if the air flow isn't about the size of at least half your coil, you may not overcome harsh hits.
I'd like to see the hole in the top cap and the base with the coil in it side by side please.
Tapatyped
Thanks everyone for their suggestions once again. My previous 4 wraps has the same results. I dropped the wattage to 20w and moved the coils as close as I felt comfortable, to the airflow. I got slightly more puffs but lesser clouds and flavor. The burnt taste was still there. I noticed that even though there was a burnt taste, it produced the same amount of vapor as my last hit. Not really the same if the cotton was bone dry.
Initial puffs took awhile to produce. For a single coil, i actually use 17-18w in the past. I have only increased it because it was not really producing much vapor now.
I have heard of a similar case where increasing the wattage actually helps.
Here is the picture with the top cap side by side.
Initial puffs took awhile to produce. For a single coil, i actually use 17-18w in the past. I have only increased it because it was not really producing much vapor now.
I have heard of a similar case where increasing the wattage actually helps.
Here is the picture with the top cap side by side.
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Please do tell then? its all good and all info to the OP is the main objective, even if it's just a wrap up of all previous info, which in itself, is very helpful because with soo much info to the OP, it's easy to forget some things. Now to interject to other posts and disagree with their opinions just to make it seem like your the atomizer guru , makes you look , well silly
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Let's see the positive post insulator.
Have you changed juice? Can you try another juice and report back?
Everything looks fine now. I'm wondering if the atty might be too airy for your liking imparting more of the cotton taste. Maybe cellucotton rayon may be a better choice for this one. It will need to be wicked a little tighter.
Tapatyped
What resistance is that build ohming out at?
If you can post readings on the device you're powering it with and an ohm reader or another device.
Tapatyped
This has become my curiosity. I am wondering, with Low Power setting, if the Op is experiencing a Mushy, half Vaporized experience until some of the Liquid is cooked off.
Then, once the Coil can heat properly without the excess(flooding), Op cannot handle the experience.
To much nic
A Flavor that does not work with this setup
Still interested in THAT OTHER RDA op kept Mentioning and the Build it Ran.
Good points.This has become my curiosity. I am wondering, with Low Power setting, if the Op is experiencing a Mushy, half Vaporized experience until some of the Liquid is cooked off.
Then, once the Coil can heat properly without the excess(flooding), Op cannot handle the experience.
To much nic
A Flavor that does not work with this setup
Still interested in THAT OTHER RDA op kept Mentioning and the Build it Ran.
We got the coil and position ironed out. Assuming the top cap is being aligned properly.
Just trying to rule out what we can before spending money.
Tapatyped
Its ohmming out at 0.80. This is the only juice I have at the moment. Its a 6mg nic. Pretty much my standard nic levels for about a year now. I can't handle the experience is not because of the nic levels, but because it just taste burnt. Like what I mentioned before.
Now my old rda is actually a helios rda clone. I forgot the name of it lol. Pretty old stuff. The builds I do on it is pretty much similar to what I have now. I don't really do complicated stuff.
Now my old rda is actually a helios rda clone. I forgot the name of it lol. Pretty old stuff. The builds I do on it is pretty much similar to what I have now. I don't really do complicated stuff.
I think we nailed it. You basically went from a Pinto to a Corvette.
6mg is likely to strong for you. - What is the FLAVOR? could matter some.
Attach the Adjustable Air flow and the Max Air Center section.
Close the air Flow way down and give it a try.
Are you using the included Chuff Tip or the adapter?
This may get you by until you can purchase a lower nic liquid. Also do not Over Drip.(flood)
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Same coil material, gauge, diameter and wrap number?
Sounds like everything checks out.
Still like to see the positive post insulator please.
Tapatyped
Can't tell if the insulator is burned. Though definitely looks to be darkened white nylon. Maybe from juice?
You use this same juice in the helios?
Tapatyped
I have an Orchid tank that got insulator heat damaged. Melted and blackened on one side(coil to close)
Unable to find a suitable replacement. I trimmed carefully with a Razor knife to clean it up and get the bubbling away from future coils.
That was 8 months ago, and I use the tank as my ADV tank daily.
Op is missing the point of RDA differences and capabilities.
This new RDA can vaporize Much more liquid than the Helios and has Far superior Air Flow.
These things must be taken into account in build and usage.
OP -
Single coil -Try vaping with one finger covering the opposing hole to direct maximum air over the Coil.
This RDA is best used as a Dual coil due to obstructive center post.
Stumpy is a good example of a RDA that can run 1 coil and Dual air slots. The 2 post design allows centering the coil between the Air openings.
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