Contingency Plans for After the Ban Takes Effect

[tescela]

I realize that many of the forum participants here are responding to the threat of an FDA ban by hoarding supplies. It is an obvious, and very understandable, course of action.

However, whatever the size, your supplies will eventually run out.

Is there a legal risk inherent in starting a forum project focused on developing contingency plans that would be implemented in the event that the FDA bans ecigs? (If you are an attorney, then please send me a private message with your input.)

Unless, and until, we receive definitive legal guidance: Please consider all discussion in this thread to be HYPOTHETICAL.

For contingency planning purposes, it would seem that one of our overarching goals would be to develop detailed plans to ensure continued access to essential supplies (atomizers, batteries, cartridges).

(DIY e-liquid would ensure continued access to e-liquid, so I place that in a different category.)

Even batteries might be substituted through modder ecig designs, so that leaves atomizers and cartridges. There might be a simple solution to address cartridge shortages, so let's set that aside for the moment.

With this line of thinking, our single most important contingency planning goal would be to secure access to ongoing production of atomizers.


Ok, so those are a few ideas I've pulled from the top of my head. Now, I am counting on you to taking this thread and run with it. The more minds involved, the better off we will all be in the event the worst case scenario (full ban) occurs.

*Please* share your thoughts (and then share some more)...

 

[Coombs]

Just a few of the ideas I have seen floating around on the boards

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/16494-introducing-vapcano.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/15327-another-atomizer-possibility.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/14812-all-home-made-try-5.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/16941-another-possible-heat-source.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/14601-nichrome-wire.html

This is the only concern I have had, Everything but the atty can be easily found or made,
But unless we smuggle atomizers from china it seems we are stuck between a rock & the FDA

 

[taz3cat]

Save all dead hard ware for future mods. Atty's may become worth fixing.

 

[tattooed]

I just figured there's enough forum members outside the US that could get us some stuff through the mail. I mean, lots of things are delivered through the mail that aren't exactly "legal". Hypothetically speaking of course.

 

[Kate]

This might be handy for vaping if other devices and eliquids are banned - I-Inhale from Smokejuice.co.uk

 

[planetofthevapes]

See, and here comes the funny part.

Pot is illegal right? But yet you can buy bongs locally! So, change the intended use of our atty! If you ask me, the bridge is just a shipping protector for our electronic cigarette lighter! Instructions could read, remove bridge, connect batteries, stick cigarette in chamber, activate!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/modders-forum/11543-electric-cig-lighter.html

See, now doesn't that look exactly like our atomizers?
So, just change the "intended use" of this part! Then we can trade freely, just like saying a .... is for tobacco.

BTW, I am a law-abiding citizen and have NEVER smoked weed, I just know they sell this stuff because my sis tells me all about the "head" shop that just moved in down the street. LOL.

 

[tattooed]

Hard to compare PV's with "bongs" because its actually not legal any longer in the US to sell them online. Just ask Chong.


EDIT - But I do agree with what you're saying. Using the term "electronic cigarette" is what really hurt the entire thing here. If it was just "personal vaporizer" I doubt this would have ever happen.

 

[Wildsky]

I bought an I-inhale/Iolite. I'm set!

I might run out of liquid, but thats the only worry I have.

 

[MrKrinkle]

I just figured there's enough forum members outside the US that could get us some stuff through the mail. I mean, lots of things are delivered through the mail that aren't exactly "legal". Hypothetically speaking of course.

I'm not sure what ya mean... could you explain in complete detail please...

 

[Brooks]

I bought an I-inhale/Iolite. I'm set!

I might run out of liquid, but thats the only worry I have.

Ummm.... time to order PG-VG-nic & flavor....

 

[planetofthevapes]

tattooedd, I'm not comparing these to bongs at all. I'm just saying that if people sell bongs and related objects with the implied intended use of using them for tobacco, then these can be sold if they have other stated "intended" uses. I agree that calling them personal vaporizers will help, and may work. However, if it doesn't. Call them cigarette lighters and have instructions stating the same...what we do with them is our own business.

They do sell "bongs" or whatever you want to call them at local stores, I'm not kidding. I have seen the store (I didn't go in, there were wierd people in there, and I'm not into it anyways, though I had wondered if they had nic juice or not). The law's hands are tied and cannot shut them down because the "intended use" is tobacco. In fact, a sign clearly states that if you say the "b" word or the "w" word you will be forced to leave the store. They covered their booties. They are just implying to the law that they do not INTEND the use to be for weed, but that's what their customers buy them for.

Airtight!

We need not worry, but we ought to make sure to make alliances with the suppliers now, in the event of a ban, our plans can be set into action.

If all else fails, I'm flooding my toaster with e-juice and standing over it (j/k j/k...funny picture though!).

 

[planetofthevapes]

Wildsky, when you try the i-inhale, let me know how it works with liquid, I have been very curious.

Be careful though, I imagine it will go through liquid way fast, you may need to dilute it severely?

 

[Kona]

They do sell "bongs" or whatever you want to call them at local stores, I'm not kidding. I have seen the store (I didn't go in, there were wierd people in there, and I'm not into it anyways, though I had wondered if they had nic juice or not). The law's hands are tied and cannot shut them down because the "intended use" is tobacco. In fact, a sign clearly states that if you say the "b" word or the "w" word you will be forced to leave the store. They covered their booties. They are just implying to the law that they do not INTEND the use to be for weed, but that's what their customers buy them for.

Exactly.

I do not want to sound overly optimistic here, but I honestly believe that there will ALWAYS be a way to get all of out PV parts. They just must be sold as that: personal vaporizers for vaping flavored juices, not nicotine juices.

I just visited a local head shop here, wall to wall bongs and water pipes and hookahs, all made for smoking tobacco or sheesha. Lots of large vaporizers as well. It is all in how, or better, what, you call the game... (Side note, they did have a great little zippered travel pouch that works great for 901's, batts, attys, etc. I'll take a pic and post in the accessories thread).

So, the only problem may be actual nic juice. And that is why we have our wonderful European friends, and plain brown wrapping, to help us out in the future!...

Aloha,
GP

 

[Bryn]

This might be handy for vaping if other devices and eliquids are banned - I-Inhale from Smokejuice.co.uk

I read all about it at RTV. Sounds wonderful! I am going to order it next month. I joined RTV while ago, but haven't post a peep there yet.

Why do you think I-Inhale would never be banned? It sounds too good to be true!

 

[Kate]

Although the I-Inhale is a dual purpose device and can be used with eliquid it's primary purpose (or at least what they are marketed for) is to vaporise herbs and tobacco. Those are not controlled substances, illegal, new drugs or classed as poisons.

The devices we usually use for vaping are marketed and intended to be used with nicotine eliquid which has been classed by the FDA as a new drug requiring permission that hasn't been granted.

Even if you end up not being able to get eliquid you would still be able to vape tobacco which is said to be 95% less harmful than smoking it.

 

[ccure]

Well, I will help any of you if you ask me! It will be my pleasure!

 

[tattooed]

tattooedd, I'm not comparing these to bongs at all. I'm just saying that if people sell bongs and related objects with the implied intended use of using them for tobacco, then these can be sold if they have other stated "intended" uses. I agree that calling them personal vaporizers will help, and may work. However, if it doesn't. Call them cigarette lighters and have instructions stating the same...what we do with them is our own business.

They do sell "bongs" or whatever you want to call them at local stores, I'm not kidding. I have seen the store (I didn't go in, there were wierd people in there, and I'm not into it anyways, though I had wondered if they had nic juice or not). The law's hands are tied and cannot shut them down because the "intended use" is tobacco. In fact, a sign clearly states that if you say the "b" word or the "w" word you will be forced to leave the store. They covered their booties. They are just implying to the law that they do not INTEND the use to be for weed, but that's what their customers buy them for.

Airtight!

We need not worry, but we ought to make sure to make alliances with the suppliers now, in the event of a ban, our plans can be set into action.

If all else fails, I'm flooding my toaster with e-juice and standing over it (j/k j/k...funny picture though!).

Like I said, I agree with what you're saying overall, my only point was head shops are allowed to sell locally, online sales have stopped. I personally don't want to see these go to that point of underground sales. Its nice to just be able to hop online and make a purchase.

Its all in how you market and package it, there will be a loophole, I'm very optimistic about the whole ordeal.

 

[SharonLM]

I bought an I-inhale/Iolite. I'm set!

I might run out of liquid, but thats the only worry I have.

Please Wildsky, let us know what you think, the pros and the cons. I haven't smoked for the first time in 40 years for 20 days now. I don't want to go back. I just can't but I will if we can't find an alternative if these e-cigs are banned.

 

[Stubby]

Please Wildsky, let us know what you think, the pros and the cons. I haven't smoked for the first time in 40 years for 20 days now. I don't want to go back. I just can't but I will if we can't find an alternative if these e-cigs are banned.

I certainly like my e-cigs but I might be able to get by using snus and nasal snuff. It may be worth checking them out as a fall back in case all goes wrong.

 

[RsL]

Perhaps I am overly optimistic, but I doubt there will be a problem even if they are banned. We users can simply order our supplies from China. Customs can't possibly inspect and contain every small package that goes through.

The whole customs thing is totally overblown anyway. It's the HUGE shipments going through which are being detained.