Help me understand the "Ban"
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hmm... Mine was ordered on the 8th... Just finally hit US on the 14th... and now is in the hands of customs.
Is that NORMAL?!
Did your tracking info show virtually the same thing?
As I said... I am not used to dealing with customs.
Do I need to be worrying yet?
thanks!
Is that NORMAL?!
Did your tracking info show virtually the same thing?
As I said... I am not used to dealing with customs.
Do I need to be worrying yet?
thanks!
I'm not the only one who got theirs from china. Just saw this on twitter
FDA Not Seizing all E-Cig shipments from China - Vapor Forum
FDA Not Seizing all E-Cig shipments from China - Vapor Forum
As I write this there is a hearing in a Washington DC court to try to put a stop to the fascist FDA's action on stopping imports. We should hear something next week if not before.
The only "clear" thing in this "selective" FDA ban (or whatever you want to call it) is that the FDA is once again stepping over the line trying to take more power than is granted to them. Most likely due to political pressures from politicians who's pockets are filled with big tobacco and big pharma money.
We need to get our voices heard and sending letters to elected officials too afraid of losing elections and campaign contributions just won't cut it. Its time for peaceful sit-ins/vape-ins. Break out your tiedye and flowers its time we become the new age hippies.
We need to get our voices heard and sending letters to elected officials too afraid of losing elections and campaign contributions just won't cut it. Its time for peaceful sit-ins/vape-ins. Break out your tiedye and flowers its time we become the new age hippies.
One of the items mentioned in this article at the link above is the following"
It makes me wonder which form of nicotine is in the e-cig liquid?
Does anyone know?
and therin lies the rub...
we can debate it all we want, but the FDA WILL continue holding shipments for "inspection" and catch them as they can. Historically, the US Gumbmint bleeds off supply with "inspections" and "reviews" of things they don't like while they jockey for position to establish the laws that protect their almighty campaign support dollars.
The only hope is to sway public opinion and put e-cigs into the spotlight to where Sen. Boss Hogg can't puff his cigar and pontificate about how he is saving our poor children from the evils of them thar vile e-cigarettes.
It is always more of a risk when you have a large order like this.
That being said, it has only been one day I would not start to worry until say next Wednesday or so. I'm not sure if items move through customs on the weekends, and even if they do I'm not sure if your tracking status would be updated until Mon/Tuesday anyway. 72-96 hours seems usual through customs.
That being said, it has only been one day I would not start to worry until say next Wednesday or so. I'm not sure if items move through customs on the weekends, and even if they do I'm not sure if your tracking status would be updated until Mon/Tuesday anyway. 72-96 hours seems usual through customs.
We have had communications with the FDA. They are aware of our existence "on their radar" so to speak. They have not sent us a cease and desist letter.
To my knowledge, until law is passed banning the sale of e-cigs, and/or a court ruling supports the action of banning/prohibiting sale, the state has no jurisdiction to dictate the legality. It is more likely that the vendor was asked to remove the product because it violates some obscure health code, which could be considered exercising a loop hole in state or local health laws that apply to pharmacies, pesticide vendors, etc.
Just a guess, but that seems to be the theme around the world right now: when no law exists, find something that makes it seem like its illegal.... Totally Wicked got hit with this for their county guidelines in the UK, and technically the customs problems here in the US are the same kind of issue to a much broader degree.
Just a guess, but that seems to be the theme around the world right now: when no law exists, find something that makes it seem like its illegal.... Totally Wicked got hit with this for their county guidelines in the UK, and technically the customs problems here in the US are the same kind of issue to a much broader degree.
Here is the link to the FDA Law Blog that has some updated info in it that seems like legitamate information:
FDA Law Blog: FDA Explains the Import Alert Process in Electronic Cigarette Company Suit
FDA Law Blog: FDA Explains the Import Alert Process in Electronic Cigarette Company Suit
No big surprise that SE may have screwed the proverbial pooch for us all with it's health claims.
Thanks for the post -
Webby - But thank the lordy that nJoy got involved to offer a stark contrast to SE when it comes to claims.
Just a heads up to this thread. There’s a circle of friends who are combining their orders so that they can try to save on shipping. Will let this thread know more details as they arise. The main idea is to post information surrounding a recent shipment and how its being handled. See’ya in a couple weeks!
Hello Everyone,
This is an update to a previous post where I had joined a circle of friends who are merging our electronic cigarette orders so that we can save on shipping. The order has arrived from China and US customs only held it for its standard 24-48 hours. No threatening letters, no notice of future seizures, and certainly no delays. Note that the order was large, containing more than 10 starter kits, bulk eLiquid, dozens of batteries & atomizers, and also some pass-through cabling/chargers.
Not to say that we went out of our way to try and have our order seized or returned to the manufacturer, but if there was going to be a reason to hold or return a single order our package wouldve sent up red-flags & alarms or at least we all would think so.
Thus far Ive ordered on a personal level and now have participated in a major bulk order and have not experienced any problems. Im not inputting the name of the place where we ordered; however for those of you interested you can privately contact me and Ill be happy to give you the URL for where our online orders took place (both personal & bulk). Ill also be keeping an eye on these sites to see if any harassing contact is made to them after I hand out those URLs to also post any possible narks in our forums.
VAPE ON MY FRIENDS! The ability to choose is our message. The message of change is going unheard no more!!
This is an update to a previous post where I had joined a circle of friends who are merging our electronic cigarette orders so that we can save on shipping. The order has arrived from China and US customs only held it for its standard 24-48 hours. No threatening letters, no notice of future seizures, and certainly no delays. Note that the order was large, containing more than 10 starter kits, bulk eLiquid, dozens of batteries & atomizers, and also some pass-through cabling/chargers.
Not to say that we went out of our way to try and have our order seized or returned to the manufacturer, but if there was going to be a reason to hold or return a single order our package wouldve sent up red-flags & alarms or at least we all would think so.
Thus far Ive ordered on a personal level and now have participated in a major bulk order and have not experienced any problems. Im not inputting the name of the place where we ordered; however for those of you interested you can privately contact me and Ill be happy to give you the URL for where our online orders took place (both personal & bulk). Ill also be keeping an eye on these sites to see if any harassing contact is made to them after I hand out those URLs to also post any possible narks in our forums.
VAPE ON MY FRIENDS! The ability to choose is our message. The message of change is going unheard no more!!
ok... Everyone has to GET REAL...
So lets get to the MEAT of the subject.
It "IS" a fact that the FDA will now begin messing with e-cigs... Whether that happens today, tomorrow or next year... Regardless... It "IS" going to happen.
So here is the MILLION DOLLAR question:
How do we get our hands on LIQUID nicotine, if and when we are forced to make our own e-liquid?
The PG and VG are BOTH very easily obtainable... OK... So we have the VAPOR portion taken care of...
The flavorings are very very easily obtainable... So we have our FLAVORINGS taken care of...
The GOLDEN KEY is the nicotine...
Is "THIS" key ingredient unobtainable?
Is there ANY hope of ever making your OWN e-liquid "WITH" nicotine content?
Or are we doomed to vaping some oils and thats as far as we will be able to go?
"IF" in fact there really are "US" producers... "WHERE" are they getting their NICOTINE.
Don't be a fool and think this will not turn into a big problem... It "IS NOT" the e-cig they are going to target... IT'S THE JUICE.
Now...
Anyone have ANY thoughts on where to get your hands on LIQUID NICOTINE?
So lets get to the MEAT of the subject.
It "IS" a fact that the FDA will now begin messing with e-cigs... Whether that happens today, tomorrow or next year... Regardless... It "IS" going to happen.
So here is the MILLION DOLLAR question:
How do we get our hands on LIQUID nicotine, if and when we are forced to make our own e-liquid?
The PG and VG are BOTH very easily obtainable... OK... So we have the VAPOR portion taken care of...
The flavorings are very very easily obtainable... So we have our FLAVORINGS taken care of...
The GOLDEN KEY is the nicotine...
Is "THIS" key ingredient unobtainable?
Is there ANY hope of ever making your OWN e-liquid "WITH" nicotine content?
Or are we doomed to vaping some oils and thats as far as we will be able to go?
"IF" in fact there really are "US" producers... "WHERE" are they getting their NICOTINE.
Don't be a fool and think this will not turn into a big problem... It "IS NOT" the e-cig they are going to target... IT'S THE JUICE.
Now...
Anyone have ANY thoughts on where to get your hands on LIQUID NICOTINE?
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