contingency plans for an FDA or state ban

[gashin]

If you're willing to break the law - I don't think anything would change other than not being able to vape in public.... which would actually suck.... BAD... I'm worried

 

[HighHeeledGoddess]

If you're willing to break the law - I don't think anything would change other than not being able to vape in public.... which would actually suck.... BAD... I'm worried

5 pages in, and someone finally mentions that none of us has considered following the law.

Based upon the number of people I encounter smoking ......... openly, I am NOT concerned about continuing to use an e-cigarette in public. Could I be hassled over it? Sure, but I do get a jury of my peers.....

 

[CES]

I'd prefer not to have to break the law. Sure I could stock up, but I'd miss vaping at my desk. Stealth vaping something "illegal" to purchase could cost me my job, and, well I kind of need to have a job (or two). For once, I'm glad to live in a state that tends to be two years behind the times. But I'm signing petitions and writing letters. Maybe I'm reacting unnecessarily, but maybe it's the action that people take will be what makes a difference in keeping these breath saving devices legally available.

 

[Israfil]

If drug users can get their product I'm sure we can find a way to get ours. Technically vaporizers aren't illegal in the same way bongs aren't. I doubt they would be able to make them so. The trick is the liquid...

My contingency plan involves completely overthrowing the government. ^_^

Also, in the event of stealth vaping I think we'd be able to get by by using the more "cigarette-esque" ecigs in the smoking area. Smokers understand and wouldn't likely rat their brethren out. I mean...we were smokers once too right?

If we band together though and show that we are a very VOCAL minority it may be possible to bully the FDA into just letting us live. (as opposed to death via cancer) Imagine an add with young handsome people smoking cigarettes, and in the background quiet whispers like thoughts, "I'm too young for cancer" "I just want to live" etc, then show an ecig and a message, get enough doctors to support it and we've got ourselves a PR campaign.

 

[candre23]

I'd prefer not to have to break the law

Most of us break nine laws before we roll out of bed in the morning. Fixing the economy, or health care, or getting us out of any number of unnecessary wars is hard. Making all sorts of stuff illegal is easy. So, what do you think legislators spend most of their time time doing?

If you said "playing golf", you'd be right. But a close second is passing laws that don't really improve anybody's life, but make it look like they're not just playing golf all the time. For the first several decades of this country's existence, there were only four federal crimes - piracy, counterfeiting, treason, and messing with the mail. As of a couple years ago, there were at least 4450 federal crimes. I can't even think of 4450 things that you can do, let alone 4450 things that should be illegal at the national level.

As a result, we all end up breaking laws all the time. Not only do we not care, half the time we don't even know we're doing it. How many of you have ordered PVs or liquid direct from China? Did you pay duties on them pursuant to the US Harmonized Tariff System? If not, you broke the law!

There is a decent probability that the national e-cig ban will pass. For the politicians voting on it, it has the up side of making them look busy, with no real down side for them personally. And if it does pass, we'll all just break the law. Just like we do every day.

 

[CartHeadMod]

I am not going back to cigarettes; I have come too far. Hopefully if a national ban goes through there will be some DIY info out there on the net. Nicotine will still be available, so perhaps we could make our own juices by extracting it from Snus, or similar products.

import a new weight loss device from China which is not intended for the consumption of nicotine....it's called a personal vaporizer and it enables you to consume a full serving of Blueberry Crumble and two whole Pecan Pies without a single calorie being taken in.......

 

[dmtnt]

My health is far more important to me (and my family) than any ridiculous laws these clowns come up with. If e-cigs become illegal, I'll be an OUTLAW!

 

[CES]

Most of us break nine laws before we roll out of bed in the morning.

You do have a point there....and I live in the deep south, so there are all sorts of fun little laws that make no sense.

....avoiding asking the obvious question here

 

[candre23]

....avoiding asking the obvious question here

Ok, ok. It was just a figure of speech

 

[ronab]

I think someone should send Obama and e-cig. Let's get him hooked. I hear he is having a difficult time quitting analogs. How cool would that be if the pres. was one of us.

 

[clownfish159]

It will be sent back with feds to your door. Try sending him a chuck! LOL, that would be bad bad...

 

[telsie]

Also, in the event of stealth vaping I think we'd be able to get by by using the more "cigarette-esque" ecigs in the smoking area. Smokers understand and wouldn't likely rat their brethren out. I mean...we were smokers once too right?

If they were banned outright (that doesn't seem to be proposed anywhere - some states are trying to ban the sale, not the use), then getting an e-cig that looks like a real cigarette would definitely be the thing to do.

Funny isn't it? Early on it seemed like the goal was for an e-cig to look like a tobacco cig to make it more appealing to smokers. But then there was the realization that when you're vaping, you don't want it confused with smoking! So people start buying e-cigs that look nothing like cigarettes and don't have a red light. But if e-cigs get banned, we'll all be scrambling for that tobacco cigarette look again

import a new weight loss device from China which is not intended for the consumption of nicotine....it's called a personal vaporizer and it enables you to consume a full serving of Blueberry Crumble and two whole Pecan Pies without a single calorie being taken in.......

I was wondering about that idea too. Do weight loss gimmicks require FDA approval? I wouldn't think so. There are so may of them out there - herbal supplements and such. So that's what e-cigs can become: diet aids! Don't feed your food craving with snacks, vape a tasty flavor instead! Nicotine would still be an issue, but as long as the devices themselves and zero nic liquid remained legal, we could probably figure something out.

 

[BHedge]

Texas is such an outlaw state anyway, that we should be fine unless the religious right gets it in their heads to oppose it. But Texans already abuse their bodies so much that the state's healthcare providers would probably support switching all smokers to vapers.

So if everyone gets closed down, I'll set up shop redistribute through here so everyone gets their stuff. I'll just need the people at my favorite U.S. supply shops to move their businesses south!

 

[Idaho Ron]

Justed started e-cigs 2 weeks ago. Only took me 3 days to stop a 2 pack a day habit. Love these. I have no problen breaking any law made during this ill ligement admminastration. I just spent over $1,000.00 stocking up. Bring on the laws. They can KissMyA**.



Hows that HOPE & CHANGE working out for you?

 

[GoodDog]

I was wondering about that idea too. Do weight loss gimmicks require FDA approval? I wouldn't think so. There are so may of them out there - herbal supplements and such. So that's what e-cigs can become: diet aids! Don't feed your food craving with snacks, vape a tasty flavor instead! Nicotine would still be an issue, but as long as the devices themselves and zero nic liquid remained legal, we could probably figure something out.

I caught just the last bit of something on the news talking about a coffee shop selling vaporizers filled with coffee flavor, $8 for around 8 puffs. This might be something someone could check out? I can't imagine some bureaucrat passing a law telling coffee drinkers they couldn't have their favorite flavor in a harmless vapor.

I think there is a type of vaporizer (?) sold in the diet industry and several for years. They look different and I'm not sure they have atomizers like we use, but they do contain 0 calorie flavors.

 

[Icicle]

California already tried doing what Oregon did, and what New York, Maryland, and Illinois are currently doing, but the Governator vetoed the bill and saved the day!!

What did Oregon do?

I am aware of what the government can do, While I am a reptile lover I am standing up to bat, writing letters and what not.
Now I am not good with internet searches has anyone heard about Washington State?

 

[GoodDog]

Texas is such an outlaw state anyway, that we should be fine unless the religious right gets it in their heads to oppose it. But Texans already abuse their bodies so much that the state's healthcare providers would probably support switching all smokers to vapers.

So if everyone gets closed down, I'll set up shop redistribute through here so everyone gets their stuff. I'll just need the people at my favorite U.S. supply shops to move their businesses south!

I've been seriously considering moving to Texas!!

E-cigs are illegal in Mexico... go figure!

 

[OaklandCA]

glad to get back to this thread--lost it in the minor panic that set in when i realized i personally might have to go back to analogs even though i'm actually thinking i like vaping better and ran out of working atomizers --

I do think it would be a great idea for some of the distributors to start setting up clone shops selling the vaporizers with NO health claims not dieting not getting off analogs etc. (Note: discovered a modders forum where somebody is modding a kids toy vaporizer that makes big clouds of fog for entertainment--not that we want folks to set up a site that could be misconstrued as appealing to kids)

but the coffee shop 0 calorie thing is great! It might actually even appeal to folks. French roast flavor cappuccinos etc.

these clone sites could sell everything but actual nicotine juice--and run a sister site with plenty of "over 18 only" "hazardous to pregnant women" etc warnings on ONLY the nicotine juice and nicotine carts.

a decent web master and a decent accountant could probably set up two distinct businesses in no time. these distributors could still keep selling the attys, batts etc. without being subject to regulation as ecigarettes. In this case the mods could and should be as different as possible.

anyway--for now the weakest supply link does seem to be the nicotine juice itself. what's the shelf life (refrigerated) on that stuff?

On the legalize nic source front I'm curious when the patent on the nicotrol inhaler (Pharmacia & Upjohn) goes generic. The same companies who make carts could certainly mass produce those (If you haven't seen them they look like a transparent cart) and with a bit of tinkering I've heard of folks vaping those.

 

[OaklandCA]

Advanced Tobacco Products, Inc., d/b/a Advanced Therapeutic Products, Inc. was engaged in the manufacturing and marketing of a product based on nicotine technology. In 1987, ATP sold patented nicotine technology, know how and related assets to Pharmacia Corporation, a worldwide pharmaceutical company that manufactures the Nicotrol/Nicorette Inhaler (Inhaler), Nicorette Chewing Gum, the Nicotrol/Nicorette Patch, and the Nicotrol/Nicorette Nasal Spray. The nicotine technology acquired from ATP forms the basis of the Inhaler developed by PHA for use in the nicotine replacement therapy market. The Inhaler is the only nicotine replacement product designed to help control a smoker's cravings for cigarettes while providing a key behavioral component of smoking--the hand-to-mouth ritual. ATP receives product payments from sales of the Inhaler by PHA equal to 3% of PHA's net sales. In addition, ATP has an agreement with PHA under which, among other matters, ATP has the right to receive a royalty equal to 0.1 percent of net revenues received by PHA from the sale of any product using a nicotine impermeable copolymer technology. ATP also has an exclusive worldwide license to certain dry powder nicotine inhaler technology from Duke University. ATP has obtained several patents covering this technology. As of September 24, 2003, Advanced Tobacco Products, Inc. operates as a subsidiary of IVAX Corp.

Advanced Tobacco Products: Private Company Information - BusinessWeek

 

[telsie]

Justed started e-cigs 2 weeks ago. Only took me 3 days to stop a 2 pack a day habit. Love these.

Amazing, isn't it? Congrats on being a smoker no more

I caught just the last bit of something on the news talking about a coffee shop selling vaporizers filled with coffee flavor, $8 for around 8 puffs. This might be something someone could check out? I can't imagine some bureaucrat passing a law telling coffee drinkers they couldn't have their favorite flavor in a harmless vapor.

I think there is a type of vaporizer (?) sold in the diet industry and several for years. They look different and I'm not sure they have atomizers like we use, but they do contain 0 calorie flavors.

I'd heard of the Iolite before (which is hand held), but I was just searching portable vaporizers and there are quite a few on the market. Interestingly enough, they're marketed for vaporizing "herbs". So those are legal, but the product we're using is in danger of being banned?!

Okay, so if "electronic cigarettes" get banned, we can just keep using our PFVs (portable flavor vaporizers). Problem solved.

E-cigs are illegal in Mexico... go figure!

Well, no wonder Mexicans are desperate to cross the border!